Mega Thread #14 David Mackay - 14 possessions again

[rocket18]

So You blame our lack of premiership success on week to week selections?

If you were to argue that our lack of player retention or our ability to keep players on the park such as last season or our inconceivable stupidity during the Tippet saga then I might agree. But to argue that our lack of success is due to David Mackay is a little overdone.

It is the long term issue of playing our senior players well past their due date, MacKay is just the latest in a long string behind Thommo, VB etc.

This conservative selection principle stiffles/delays new players.

 

[jackster83]

So You blame our lack of premiership success on week to week selections?

If you were to argue that our lack of player retention or our ability to keep players on the park such as last season or our inconceivable stupidity during the Tippet saga then I might agree. But to argue that our lack of success is due to David Mackay is a little overdone.

I'd say our selection policy absolutely cost us a shot at a flag in 2016. Playing VB ahead of Hartigan in R1 ended up costing us a top 4 spot. Reluctance to manage sore players and use the bottom half of the list resulted in a number of players playing through injury late in the year which crippled us.

There's also the issue of our 2017 GF selections, not that it would have changed the result.

 

[marty36]

Mackay was drafted in 2006 wasn’t he? I agree in that time we have failed to draft and trade in enough running players.

Since Hamish took over in 2012 despite losing 5 quality picks he’s managed to draft Atkins with a late pick, bring in Seeds and draft Milera. Cameron could have played wing but he left.

All who are ahead of Mackay when fit.

You’ve got to ask what our recruiter was doing between 2006 and 2012 to fill this particular lack of depth, only Smith fills the need.

Yet we don't presently have a sauce replacement either

Its laughable everyone is blaming the club for Mackay, its either Pyke for picking him or list management for not having a quality replacement whether we trade for someone or draft someone

 

[marty36]

I'd say our selection policy absolutely cost us a shot at a flag in 2016. Playing VB ahead of Hartigan in R1 ended up costing us a top 4 spot. Reluctance to manage sore players and use the bottom half of the list resulted in a number of players playing through injury late in the year which crippled us.

There's also the issue of our 2017 GF selections, not that it would have changed the result.

Is Pyke up to the job?

 

[Pea Nut]

It is the long term issue of playing our senior players well past their due date, MacKay is just the latest in a long string of behind Thommo, VB etc.

This conservative selection principle stiffles/delays new players.

Did anyone watch the Fox footy uncovered- the coaches episode with Simon Goodwin ?? He spoke about the Crows when responding to a question about whether Neil Craig had received enough recognition for what he had achieved at the Crows. Goodwin spoke about the culture he had built and instilled at the club so that it would be a successful club long term. I know that a big part of that would be stability and continuity, which has carried on long term since Craig. I am sure that Mackay is a victim of circumstance in a positive way. He gets a long term contract on very good money due to draft sanctions. Because he is on very good money and looks good on the training track he plays senior footy. Then to keep with the club mantra of stability and continuity he continues to get games even though he delivers very little and has almost zero impact. He had no trade value at any stage and had a long contract. So the clubs hands are tied. And round and round we go.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

3 things will never change in this world...

Gun laws in America regardless of how many mass shootings occur
People will continue to throw their filthy cigarette butts on the floor even when within 2 meters of a bin
David Mackay will always be selected. Prepare for him to be offered 1 year contracts until he is 70 years of age (the governments proposed retirement age as of the year 2035)

All we can do is just collectively shake our heads in disappointment.

 

[Bicks]

Did anyone watch the Fox footy uncovered- the coaches episode with Simon Goodwin ?? He spoke about the Crows when responding to a question about whether Neil Craig had received enough recognition for what he had achieved at the Crows. Goodwin spoke about the culture he had built and instilled at the club so that it would be a successful club long term. I know that a big part of that would be stability and continuity, which has carried on long term since Craig. I am sure that Mackay is a victim of circumstance in a positive way. He gets a long term contract on very good money due to draft sanctions. Because he is on very good money and looks good on the training track he plays senior footy. Then to keep with the club mantra of stability and continuity he continues to get games even though he delivers very little and has almost zero impact. He had no trade value at any stage and had a long contract. So the clubs hands are tied. And round and round we go.

My recollection is the Demons showed a fair amount of interest in Mookay at one point several years ago?

 

[LittleCrowBoy]

I find it ironic that Dmack keeps getting selected to cover injuries.
He rarely gets injured himeself ...and when he does....its in the preseason and he's rushed back into the side as a very average, underprepared player.

Its not injuries that kill you....its who's injured.

Some injuries would actually help our side and assist our selection committee to overcome their fear of deviating from Neil Craigs "fumula" that is etched in stone on the Crows boardroom wall.
The tablets sit alongside our mostly empty trophy cabinet.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yet we don't presently have a sauce replacement either

Its laughable everyone is blaming the club for Mackay, its either Pyke for picking him or list management for not having a quality replacement whether we trade for someone or draft someone

Aren’t Pyke and the list managers part of the club?

And we should sack Rendell for his lack of focus in this area, luckily with the lack of picks Ogilvie has had to work with he has built up our depth in this area from the poor position we were in.

 

[PrideoSA]

Someone I've talked to is adamant it's a contractual obligation that he plays. Does anyone know if there would be any truth to this, that a player can have some kind of clause in his contract that that means he must play X no. of games per season? Apparently it's not unheard of, and this person tells me there are a number of other plays at other clubs with similar/same clauses in their contacts.

 

[Magma]

boourns

 

[marty36]

Aren’t Pyke and the list managers part of the club?

And we should sack Rendell for his lack of focus in this area, luckily with the lack of picks Ogilvie has had to work with he has built up our depth in this area from the poor position we were in.

He may have tried, when we win a flag he can have credit

Hasn't he been around snce 2012 should we not have depth by now, yet MOOKay still plays as depth

 

[ad victoriam]

Isn't 2017 when he was dropped and then recalled after 1 week of being travelling emergency? His toughness at the tackling bags during the week off was too good to ignore.

No,
He played 2 SANFL games with a bye in-between. rd 12, not a great game, followed by the Bye, then in rd 14 he would have been closed to best on the ground and hard at the ball. Rd 15 AFL and played some good football for the rest of the year.

 

[SydCrow]

His best career game was against Hawthorn at the MCG last year or the year before when he kicked a couple of goals to win the game. His opponent was Isaac Smith who was on the bench injured. Pykie must be hoping for a repeat.

 

[Elite Crow]

He may have tried, when we win a flag he can have credit

Hasn't he been around snce 2012 should we not have depth by now, yet MOOKay still plays as depth

You know we lost 5 draft picks and Cameron, why continue to ignore that? Name me another club that lost 5 picks in that time.

He’s added Seeds, Milera and Atkins. McPherson has been injured. Plus some juniors in the last draft.

He has a list he needs to balance with limited number of picks each year, plus retain your favourites in Douglas, Mackay and Otten.

 

[Elite Crow]

His best career game was against Hawthorn at the MCG last year or the year before when he kicked a couple of goals to win the game. His opponent was Isaac Smith who was on the bench injured. Pykie must be hoping for a repeat.

That career best game was 13 possessions and 3 goals, oh how low we have set the benchmark for Mackay

 

[SugarShane]

No,
He played 2 SANFL games with a bye in-between. rd 12, not a great game, followed by the Bye, then in rd 14 he would have been closed to best on the ground and hard at the ball. Rd 15 AFL and played some good football for the rest of the year.

I'm talking about the first time he was dropped in 2017. Round 9.

Played R8, dropped for R9, travelled to Brisband as emergency (didn't play SANFL), recalled for R10. Surprisingly, getting dropped for one game for poor form and being recalled despite not actually playing didn't better his form and he was subsequently dropped for R12 that you speak of.

 

[Scorpus]

Someone I've talked to is adamant it's a contractual obligation that he plays. Does anyone know if there would be any truth to this, that a player can have some kind of clause in his contract that that means he must play X no. of games per season? Apparently it's not unheard of, and this person tells me there are a number of other plays at other clubs with similar/same clauses in their contacts.

A club's list management would have to be ****ing moronic to allow that sort of clause

 

[SugarShane]

A club's list management would have to be ******* moronic to allow that sort of clause

So it's true then.

 

[ad victoriam]

I'm talking about the first time he was dropped in 2017. Rounds 8, 9 and 10.

Played R8, dropped for R9, travelled to Brisband as emergency (didn't play SANFL), recalled for R10. Surprisingly, getting dropped for one game for poor form and being recalled despite not actually playing didn't better his form and he was subsequently dropped for R12 that you speak of.

But the Article was based around him being dropped in rd 12, and returning in rd 15. and how he improved his toughness enough to keep him in the side for the rest of the year.

 

[Pea Nut]

Someone I've talked to is adamant it's a contractual obligation that he plays. Does anyone know if there would be any truth to this, that a player can have some kind of clause in his contract that that means he must play X no. of games per season? Apparently it's not unheard of, and this person tells me there are a number of other plays at other clubs with similar/same clauses in their contacts.

Interesting claim, but sounds like a statement from a fan who can simply not comprehend how a certain player can remain in the side regardless of their performances on field.

 

[oldntired]

So You blame our lack of premiership success on week to week selections?

If you were to argue that our lack of player retention or our ability to keep players on the park such as last season or our inconceivable stupidity during the Tippet saga then I might agree. But to argue that our lack of success is due to David Mackay is a little overdone.

Bloody spot on !!!!
Why the hell are people defending this complete stupidity ????

I am just disappointed I can only LIKE once

 

[mulz]

Dissapointed he selected again thought we had moved on but calling him squib and shitshow is out of line.
Wouldn't say it to his face.

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm talking about the first time he was dropped in 2017. Round 9.

Played R8, dropped for R9, travelled to Brisband as emergency (didn't play SANFL), recalled for R10. Surprisingly, getting dropped for one game for poor form and being recalled despite not actually playing didn't better his form and he was subsequently dropped for R12 that you speak of.

Wait what he was dropped twice in 2017, AFC979810 were you aware of this?

Can you name me another senior player that was dropped twice in 17

So how many years in the last 5 has he been dropped? I reckon 4, with 18 being a shocking years for injuries saving him.

Quality player you are clinging too here.

 

[Schulzycrow]

AFC should mount an investigation into all the "accidents" other players who play Mackay's positions seem to get.
And he cost me a bag of hot donuts...payment on Saturday robboaustralia