Certified Legendary Thread 2 x Premiership Coach Chris Scott contracted to 2026 (aka the Chris Scott volumes

[geelong_crazy26]

Pretty sure most of them agreed to pay cuts while some took significant pay cuts.
As for Scott, like I said, good gesture to take a total pay cut but I think he would have been pampered too quite a bit that particular season. Like I said, he's been paid better than most for a lot of the time.

AFL coach's extraordinary salary sacrifice

Reeling club blown away by selfless gesture

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Reputedly earns a million per year.

so the next highest pay cut was 50% and scott worked for free entirely.

I think your downplaying how significant that was, as the majority from those reports took 20% cuts and fagan took a 50%, then it was scott taking a full cut.

That was money which went back into the club to help out paying someone elses wage so they didnt have to fire more staff.

a few of the smaller fish probably have scott to thank for keeping their jobs.

I cant think of a better club man and person that that.

far from this, "arrogant man"... sounds like a bloke whos sacrifices saved jobs in a time of crisis.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ok, I've got a "single, sensical argument" as to why Scott should not be the head coach for a "new stage in the team's development". If it was good enough for Hawthorn and Collingwood to decide that their 10 year plus Coaches weren't the right people to do it....why should Scott be launched on as the right person after his 11 seasons?

1. Hawthorn are borderline insane for doing what they’ve done. Giving Mitchell A year apprenticeship I could understand. Getting rid of Clarkson altogether I find unfathomable.
2. Collingwood’s situation was farcical.
3. Neither of those teams have even had the chance to succeed or fail under the weight of their decision.

Using their decisions as a basis for making the same one ourselves is akin to teeing off with the same club as your partners before seeing whether they actually got it right, just because they chose it.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Spot on?
You've been saying for the last 10 years that a flag is imminent because of how great Chris Scott is and we all underestimate the list.
So when you say how spot on you were well you haven't been spot on for the last 10 years

I said its amazing we are consistently a premiership contender while flushing out players from a triple premiership list and rebuilding simultaneously.

I never resorted and backpeddled to coward like " the ball won't land on 19 black" roulette style calls of " premiership or i am right" stuff, i think most years i predicted pretty close on the money our finishing spot around the top four, which is what we did.

 

[Down at K Park]

huh?? name 5 coaches you can recall who have worked a season for free?

alot of them are already millionares post playing career

Except he didn’t. He only refused a pay cheque during the season shutdown. He did not go a whole season without pay.

How much he sacrificed i don’t know, but it was not a whole season like some people claim.

 

[allrighty]

Hasn't he been one of the top 5 highest paid for the best part of a decade?
Let's not forget these guys are millionaires so hardly doing it tough whatsoever with all the investments setup on the side.
I'm sure incentives are added on for making finals so while it was a very good gesture, you see why he was very quick to sign on again and why wouldn't you. With such an old and experienced list with a top 3 goal kicker added to it, there's good chance some more bonuses will come his way if Geelong scrape into the finals next year.

Of course, we miss the finals, who knows what this means heading into season 2023.

My KPI argument. Generally skew behaviour not in the best interests except for the KPIee

 

[David the Cat]

Ex mod who applauded slow controlling ball movement should be not entering these discussions.

Who do you thin k you are?

It's not your role to say who should be entering discussions on this board....

You have been warned about potting other posters... discipline yourself to posting on football issues rather than focusing on other posters...there will be no more warnings.

 

[Tackle_happy]

Lots of wrenching of souls in here.

Quite entertaining.

I'm OK with Scott staying. I was OK if he left too.

I'm OK regardless.

We have a coach that shows he cares for his players and the club and has steered us through what should have been more dips than we had and I doubt any other coach would have been able to do the same.

And I doubt any new coach could be any better either.

We have refreshed under him. Hocking is a very good operator and knows what's going on too.

I have a lot of confidence that we will be better for what's happened and I do believe that the freshness to each line whilst still having the overarching plan the Scott wants to implement will hold us in good stead.

Unless they still play all the oldies from the get go ... then yeah I'll be pissed (but as per the Stephen Wells interview the other day... it sounds like they're going to take a different approach).

Looking forward to 2022 and what the team may bring to the season.

 

[David the Cat]

I know this is a forlorn hope but here goes..

There are differing opinions on Scott which is fine...but ridiculing those with a different opinion is neither helpful nor constructive...

Please be mindful of this from here on...

 

[Gee Class Loco]

But the gameplan is useless in high pressure situations and the coach is responsible for the gameplan.

You say it doesn’t work in high pressure situations.
So we lose every game that is of a High pressure calibre?. So is that It.
So how the hell have we won a third of the games that we have won? As the pressure has been there.
Have u not seen it? We should of lost every final since 2011. As they are high pressure games.
So at the G…. Those Hawthorn games? Those Collingwood games? Just walks in the park games Hey?
that comment of high pressure situations makes zero sense.
when they have won in those exact situations.
SMH… one day the players can execute under pressure next day they can’t.
Players aren’t good enough then, pretty simple if we are to use your way of thinking.
we will just agree to disagree I think.
cheers

 

[Burtyl78]

Heard that Junior may be added to the coaching group potentially next week

 

[Overhang]

Happy he has signed on, I was more worried he would be burnt out as he is an extremely competitive unit but at the same time I don't think he would sign on if he still didn't think his head was in the game. Hopefully some new assistants beside him to mix things up and a bit of a change in direction next year will do us the world of good as we navigate the next couple of years. It's amazing how different this resigning would look if it wasn't for 2 qtrs of Dustin Martin brillance 12 months ago, the difference between being a 2x premiership coach or more ammunition for your critics.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Correct

hawks are closer to a flag than us it pains me to say

LOL So are they wrapping the Wooden Spoon in a flag of some sorts these days?

 

[Gavin Excell]

LOL So are they wrapping the Wooden Spoon in a flag of some sorts these days?

The Scott game plan is failed
Other teams developing with youth are in a far stronger position longer term than Geelong going through motions with an older playing group

 

[Gavin Excell]

It’s really depressing

 

[bloodygoose]

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is no mug. He like everyone else at the club understands that change is required.
Every coach spends lots of time thinking ways and means to improve and is constantly evolving
Some ideas can be tried and tested with a Quarter ie: Positional changes with instant results.
A good Game Plan is based on the abilities of players available
Changing the the Game Plan is like steering a large ocean tanker... long slow and planned ahead.
Perfecting a Game Plan takes years and requires the recruiting and developing the right players.

Second:
Between Footy seasons I watch the round ball code... both domestically and internationally.
Taking special interest in the World Cup when 32 best national teams showcase their stuff.
History has shown there are 3 main successful game styles that regularly rise to the top.
Brazilian Style: Fast, Free-flowing, Attacking, Unpredictable Exciting : Chaos Style
German Style: Planned, Organized, Disciplined, Precise, High-Skilled : Controlled Style
Tiki-Taka: Teamwork, Understanding, Skilled, Rapid precise passing : Tempo Style

To be successful the team must have the right players with the skills and ability to execute the Game Plan
Everyone needs understand their own and their teammates roles. This requires years of playing together
The team must be cohesive and play in unison. Flashy individuals don't fit in.
You cannot take a star player from one style and expect success in another : ie: controlled to chaos switch.

The standard Counter Attacking Style played by most teams bobs up occasionally
but it relies on a solid defence with a few outstanding, super quick or skilled individual players.
This may a short term option next year before our stars depart... but this will not build a dynasty.
Once the stars depart the Game Plan will become even more important for success.

The Cats Game Plan is not the problem per se. Other factors have played a big part.
It will take time to build a future dynasty and there is still a while to go.
New players will take time to understand how their teammates play.
Our Game Plan relies on highly skilled players ... Players must improve or be replaced
The lack of mid-field speed is a huge problem a overhaul will be required soon.
The forward structure needs to be corrected.
Cats don't have the opportunistic small forwards for chaos footy.
Parfitt is not a natural forward Miers is a forward but plays up-field.
Recruiting must be tailored to suit specific requirements.

Continual improvement is a better and faster path to long tern dynasty than a total change in style.

One of the more intelligent posts I’ve seen on Big Footy. The Cats board and CEO/leadership team set the strategy - we top-up and compete every year. It’s partly a commercial decision - the club can’t afford to bottom out and risk years in the wilderness.

Bereft of high draft picks, the list management team has topped up with older players. None of has been Chris Scott’s decision. His role is to develop a game plan to compete with the players he has. It’s worked in the home and away season but as we know it doesn’t deliver in finals.

Steve Hocking has returned with a change agenda. The President has clearly stated the strategy to stay competitive is not changing. But it seems to me the list management tactics and, as a consequence, the game plan is about to change.

So I’m rapt Scotty is staying - he is a talented coach - and I’m hoping we deliver a more nuanced game plan drawing on both experience and young talent where all players earn their spot and are not gifted games based on reputation.



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[geelong_crazy26]

One of the more intelligent posts I’ve seen on Big Footy. The Cats board and CEO/leadership team set the strategy - we top-up and compete every year. It’s partly a commercial decision - the club can’t afford to bottom out and risk years in the wilderness.

Bereft of high draft picks, the list management team has topped up with older players. None of has been Chris Scott’s decision. His role is to develop a game plan to compete with the players he has. It’s worked in the home and away season but as we know it doesn’t deliver in finals.

Steve Hocking has returned with a change agenda. The President has clearly stated the strategy to stay competitive is not changing. But it seems to me the list management tactics and, as a consequence, the game plan is about to change.

So I’m rapt Scotty is staying - he is a talented coach - and I’m hoping we deliver a more nuanced game plan drawing on both experience and young talent where all players earn their spot and are not gifted games based on reputation.



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too many very intelligent exceptionally competent people have been running the show at geelong for the best part of 2 decades now. Do you think an incompetent coach could stay in charge of the geelong team with Brian cook, Frank Costa, steve hocking in charge?? yeah nah.... and these are the guys who actually have a full 100% insight into what really happens behind the scenes.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It’s really depressing

depressing would be going through what melbourne went through to win a flag... honestly.. shoot me now if you have to sit there and watch that for 20 years to win a flag. Like the equivalent of being a billionaire for one year but spending 20 years in jail prior to it.

the way some clubs have gone about it i wouldnt touch with a 20 ft pole.

 

[Gavin Excell]

W

depressing would be going through what melbourne went through to win a flag... honestly.. shoot me now if you have to sit there and watch that for 20 years to win a flag. Like the equivalent of being a billionaire for one year but spending 20 years in jail prior to it.

the way some clubs have gone about it i wouldnt touch with a 20 ft pole.

We Aren’t winning a flag this set up

we figure finals and get blow away business end
It’s fools gold

 

[PhatBoy]

The Scott game plan is failed
Other teams developing with youth are in a far stronger position longer term than Geelong going through motions with an older playing group

Stronger position to do what, exactly? Based on the last two decades, in the next decade five teams will win flags. So just over a quarter of the competition. Mathematically it is a near certainty that most of the ‘other teams developing youth’ will win as many flags between now and 2031 as we’ve won between now and 2011.

Why are they so much more certain to succeed than what we are?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Must suck following footy for you

I just have higher standards than you - no big deal. You are happy getting embarrassed in finals - I would like us to at least be competitive considering how much we have sacrificed our longer term success by choosing older proven players over young talent/draft picks.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

W

We Aren’t winning a flag this set up

we figure finals and get blow away business end
It’s fools gold

how is being scores level 3qtr time of a grand final only 1 season ago being blown away in finals?? As it stands right now, the record is 7 prelim finals, 2 grand final appearances, 1 elimination, 1 semi final, and missing the 8 once, and ultimately one premiership.

2 grand final appearances in ten years and seven prelims is far from being blown away all the time in finals…. If you require 4 grand final appearances in ten years after experiencing 4 previous to that, you have delusional standards.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Bereft of high draft picks, the list management team has topped up with older players. None of has been Chris Scott’s decision. His role is to develop a game plan to compete with the players he has. It’s worked in the home and away season but as we know it doesn’t deliver in finals.

LOL you are telling me the head coach of the team had no impact or decisions on our list profile and incoming players? We have Danger recruiting players FFS what makes you think the head coach is not involved... Delusional and an excuse to not take responsibility for what IS ultimately his responsibility - our list.

 

[Vdubs]

He's delusion buddy lol - no matter how many times we prove how wrong he has been over a long time horizon he keeps blabbing on about how great Scott is lol.

He is, and that's why we still have him.

This may be slightly sacreligious...

 

[My Tilly]

1. Hawthorn are borderline insane for doing what they’ve done. Giving Mitchell A year apprenticeship I could understand. Getting rid of Clarkson altogether I find unfathomable.
2. Collingwood’s situation was farcical.
3. Neither of those teams have even had the chance to succeed or fail under the weight of their decision.

Using their decisions as a basis for making the same one ourselves is akin to teeing off with the same club as your partners before seeing whether they actually got it right, just because they chose it.

How are they insane if their methods have already been proven to work in the past?
Hawthorn is the last club Geelong supporters should be mocking. I know it's a filthy thing to say but they are the most successful club for a reason. They really aren't in it to make the finals like we are.
They expect to win and it's what their members and supporters demand.

I think you'll be blown away by Sam Mitchell's coaching. He's spent many years under the best and if his on field leadership is anything to go by, they'll more than alright moving forward.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

He is, and that's why we still have him.

I guess Hawthorn and Collingwood are going to finish lower next year considering they changed long serving coaches with no recent success. Hawthorn must be smoking crack according to you for them to kick out Clarkson who won 3 premierships in a team he developed himself. Sorry to say but Geelong is in no position to question Hawthorns methodologies considering they have been way more successful than us over a long period of time INCLUDING recent success where they bent us over in a grand final that we were supposed to win. The reality is if Chris Scott didn't steal a flag in his first season he would be on par with Nathan Buckley - how many of you considered Bucks a great coach?