Certified Legendary Thread 2 x Premiership Coach Chris Scott contracted to 2026 (aka the Chris Scott volumes

[Down at K Park]

Caro just said on FC that it's her understanding that CS has signed a three year contract.

They said that 6 months ago too.

 

[catempire]

End of 2025.

 

[Partridge]

Footy journalists trawling BF for stories.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Glad all we need is some good quality draft picks to pick up a flag because that's worked well for GWS, Suns and Saints of late.

Worked well for Melbourne, Richmond and the Dogs though.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Once CS contract comes to a close, id love to see a former player coach.

Whether it’s Stevie J, Kelly, Enright or Scarlo, I couldn’t care, a GFC favourite son and a fresh voice could be what we need?

Dunno about that... I can see where u r coming from. But...

Our best coaches have come from outside.

Chris Scott (2 GF with 1 Cup)
Bomber Thompson (3 GF 2 Cups)
Malcom Blight (3 GF 0 Cups)
Gary Ayers (1 GF 0 Cups)
All of the above had given the players the chance to win it all.

The unluckiest for me is the great Billy Goggin. We had a great team there for 2 years in 80 & 81. The last real cat man.

Compare them to Sanderson, Neeld, MacCarthy??

FWIW I'd love Ken Hinkley. As i rate him. Gets his team in a position to win , just like Scott does with the Cats.
But in the end. Players are what you need. After all they win u & lose u games.

Cheers Bud!

 

[Kitcat]

Worked well for Melbourne, Richmond and the Dogs though.

After decades of it not working.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Why would he sign a 3-year deal if he intended to move?

She's just giving every side on this thread something to cheer about

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

After decades of it not working.

It's smarter to look at what does work, rather than what doesn't. 18 teams and 17 ultimately failing means you can find examples of every strategy not working.

You may be able to establish a Premiership winning list without access to top 10 picks playing key roles, but it hasn't happened in 20 years, so who knows.

 

[Partridge]

After decades of it not working.

Probably because you also need patience, good player development, and astute coaching. If you think draft picks alone are the answer it will fail, as St.Kilda and Carlton found out, and unlike them, Richmond and Melbourne learned from it then added those three attributes above. We had those without high draft picks and it seemed to work out ok.

 

[Vdubs]

Probably because you also need patience, good player development, and astute coaching. If you think draft picks alone are the answer it will fail, as St.Kilda and Carlton found out, and unlike them, Richmond and Melbourne learned from it then added those three attributes above. We had those without high draft picks and it seemed to work out ok.

Agree with all that. But also a hell of a lot of luck with player injuries, and other eventualities.
In all our flag years, we virtually were able to play the same 22-25 players.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

After decades of it not working.

Every club in the modern era to be successful has built its team off the back of drafting. The builds fail many times, but going to the draft to build your core group is also the only way you'll get anywhere. Any great team of the last few decades has been built this way. None have been players cobbled loosely together from elsewhere. Absolutely supplemented with trade-ins, free agent, rookie picks, state leaguers, etc. but your multiple top-end draft picks are central.

 

[Partridge]

Every club in the modern era to be successful has built its team off the back of drafting. The builds fail many times, but going to the draft to build your core group is also the only way you'll get anywhere. Any great team of the last few decades has been built this way. None have been players cobbled loosely together from elsewhere. Absolutely supplemented with trade-ins, free agent, rookie picks, state leaguers, etc. but your multiple top-end draft picks are central.

I don't even think the top draft picks are the thing, I think it's the core group of 10-12 players that have been developed together over a period of time. It's the cohesive team unit clicking together that wins flags. It isn't one or two stars.

 

[Kitcat]

Every club in the modern era to be successful has built its team off the back of drafting. The builds fail many times, but going to the draft to build your core group is also the only way you'll get anywhere. Any great team of the last few decades has been built this way. None have been players cobbled loosely together from elsewhere. Absolutely supplemented with trade-ins, free agent, rookie picks, state leaguers, etc. but your multiple top-end draft picks are central.

You accept that the build from the draft model works every so often, but has failed for Saints, Carlton, Essendon etc, but Geelong’s method which results in top 4 finishes, you think is unsuccessful. You have to be in it to win it

 

[Partridge]

You accept that the build from the draft model works every so often, but has failed for Saints, Carlton, Essendon etc, but Geelong’s method which results in top 4 finishes, you think is unsuccessful. You have to be in it to win it

"Works every so often" = wins premierships. Top 4 finishes are not premierships. A forgotten fact is that Geelong also won premierships, by building from the draft.

It's a very simple comparison. A club tried one way (drafting), and won three flags. The same club has since tried another way (topping up), and has the eternal glory of top 4 finishes, but no flags. If only one result was better than the other.

 

[Kitcat]

"Works every so often" = wins premierships. Top 4 finishes are not premierships. A forgotten fact is that Geelong also won premierships, by building from the draft.

It's a very simple comparison. A club tried one way (drafting), and won three flags. The same club has since tried another way (topping up), and has the eternal glory of top 4 finishes, but no flags. If only one result was better than the other.

And other clubs have done both with few top 4 finishes. Got to be in it to win it.

 

[Baudolino]

Needs to go back to the suave long hair tbh

 

[Vdubs]

Every club in the modern era to be successful has built its team off the back of drafting. The builds fail many times, but going to the draft to build your core group is also the only way you'll get anywhere. Any great team of the last few decades has been built this way. None have been players cobbled loosely together from elsewhere. Absolutely supplemented with trade-ins, free agent, rookie picks, state leaguers, etc. but your multiple top-end draft picks are central.

Exactly, and with our perpetual top 4 finishes, we never have that luxury.
Hawks and Tigers have topped up with players of need to get flags. Even Demons, who also had the benefits of multiple years down the bottom.
That is all we have done.
Just because our topups have not been as good doesn't mean it can't work.
Once our competitive era is finally over, there will be plenty of scope for full reliance on the draft.

 

[Down at K Park]

You accept that the build from the draft model works every so often, but has failed for Saints, Carlton, Essendon etc, but Geelong’s method which results in top 4 finishes, you think is unsuccessful. You have to be in it to win it

Of course it doesn’t work all the time. Only 1 team out of 18 can win it every year, so by the law of averages a lot of teams will fail to win a flag by building through the draft.

It beats treading water as perpetual finals failures though. For us it was worth a shot, but they kept trying it for too long and now we have a huge hole in our list of middle age players, and we have a third of the team near retirement age. When they go over the next couple of seasons we are stuffed.

 

[Vdubs]

"Works every so often" = wins premierships. Top 4 finishes are not premierships. A forgotten fact is that Geelong also won premierships, by building from the draft.

It's a very simple comparison. A club tried one way (drafting), and won three flags. The same club has since tried another way (topping up), and has the eternal glory of top 4 finishes, but no flags. If only one result was better than the other.

Not many teams been in the position of being a 3 time flag winning team, gradually losing all those players, yet able to remain competitive.
It is natural for a successful club to try and eke out every bit of capacity from what they still have.
The core group we had believed we could do it- we haven't won that elusive flag, but watching Scarlett, Boris, Hawkins, Selwood, Mackie, Taylor, supplemented by Danger, Hendo, Stanley, Tuohy et al could easily have been great; instead it was very good.

 

[Vdubs]

Of course it doesn’t work all the time. Only 1 team out of 18 can win it every year, so by the law of averages a lot of teams will fail to win a flag by building through the draft.

It beats treading water as perpetual finals failures though. For us it was worth a shot, but they kept trying it for too long and now we have a huge hole in our list of middle age players, and we have a third of the team near retirement age. When they go over the next couple of seasons we are stuffed.

What is the worst that could happen?
Several years near the bottom?
Wow, thought most would love that- finally get all those juicy draft picks

 

[Vdubs]

Needs to go back to the suave long hair tbh

Thought he was great last night, as usual, very confident media performer, but I was most pleased that he has the passion to join SH on his quest to keep us relevant. He coukd easily have joined the assistants, and Buckley, as a burnt-out Post Covid coach. The way our season finished was very galling for the club, and maybe they believe with a fit JC, Danger, Ceglar, that we are still a chance this year to pinch one.

 

[Down at K Park]

What is the worst that could happen?
Several years near the bottom?
Wow, thought most would love that- finally get all those juicy draft picks

Serious?

All they have succeeded in doing is making the inevitable rebuild be significantly longer. They have burnt that middle age bracket that would have been required to take over from our stack of veterans due to retire over the next few years. A solid core of middle age players would have given us the opportunity to rebuild quickly.

With the ridiculously unbalanced age profile we have now it could mean a decade in the doldrums. And not a single flag to show for it.

 

[PhatBoy]

"Works every so often" = wins premierships. Top 4 finishes are not premierships. A forgotten fact is that Geelong also won premierships, by building from the draft.

It's a very simple comparison. A club tried one way (drafting), and won three flags. The same club has since tried another way (topping up), and has the eternal glory of top 4 finishes, but no flags. If only one result was better than the other.

But it’s not the same when you have a good starting platform. The sides that have done it have done it because they’ve had no choice. Finishing low forces you to draft because that’s literally what you’re given. If you’re already at or near the top, you aren’t going to start throwing away that platform in the hope that in 5-6 years you make it back there because those 5-6 years are difficult for the club and it’s fans, and there’s no guarantee of getting back where you were. Richmond it would appear are PROBABLY past their era of winning flags with the group they’ve got but I would still expect them to be in the top 6 somewhere. It would come as a major shock if they didn’t try and stay there

 

[Art Vandelay_]

inevitable rebuild be significantly longer.

Ah the Scott outers. A gift.
We don’t do that rebuild in the doldrums nonsense. That’s for loser clubs.

Rebuilding is a constant process and we won’t/don’t dip for long.

 

[Down at K Park]

Ah the Scott outers. A gift.
We don’t do that rebuild in the doldrums nonsense. That’s for loser clubs.

Rebuilding is a constant process and we won’t/don’t dip for long.

We won’t have a choice when a third of our team retires over the next few seasons, and we are left with a bunch of kids.

I love how people think that once our old stars retire we will still be up there. Its delusional.

We don’t have that band of middle age stars to keep us in the finals race.