Draft Review 2003 - Redo the Draft

[Burzum]

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It's a bit harder to pick out Cooneys very best games because unlike Sylvia he has had more then 3 of them. We all know Sylvia's best, 37 touches and 4 goals in a game they lost to a side that won 9 games for the year.

Cooneys best is probably when he got 33 disposals, 5 goals and 6 tackles to win us the game against the Crows in 2006. He also kicked the match sealing goal in the last minute when we only lead by a point. He won us the game, something Sylvia has never done.You can also pick out many of the games in 08 that he got 3 votes in, you should remember those they were when he won the brownlow.

What do you expect? Melbourne supporters overrate any ounce of talent that goes through their doors.

 

[Enforcer25]

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What do you expect? Melbourne supporters overrate any ounce of talent that goes through their doors.

As opposed to Dons supporters?
I'd give you half a chance in 2010 if you had anything that resembled a midfield.

Sylvia collecting 37 touches and 4 goals against the reigning premiers (and gathering 3 brownlow votes in a losing side) is the equal of anything Cooney has done, considering the players Col has had around him. One game, yes, but that's all I've said from the start.
Cooney well and truly has the edge over Sylvia, but in terms of individual performances, I don't see any of Cooney's that are CLEARLY BETTER.

 

[Ron]

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1. Adam Cooney
2. Aaron Davey
3. Brent Stanton
4. Brock McLean
5. Sam Fisher
6. Heath Shaw
7. Nathan Foley
8. Andrew Carrazzo
9. Andrew Lovett
10. Michael Rischitelli
11. Ben Hudson
12. Daniel Jackson
13. Mark Blake
14. Shane Tuck
15. Jed Adcock
16. David Mundy
17. Josh Drummond
18. Amon Buchanan
19. Colin Sylvia
20. Troy Chaplin
21. Daniel Pratt
22. Nathan Lovett-Murray
23. Zac Dawson
24. Andrew Raines
25. Farran Ray
26. Andrew Walker
27. Brett Peake
28. Brad Stymes
29. Kepler Bradley
30. Raphael Clarke

This is a joke right? That absolute dud Carrazzo ahead of players like Sylvia, Adcock and Drummond? Surely you are taking the piss. Carrazzo wouldn't make the top 50 of that draft, no one cares if he won a B&F at the Blues, my dog could win a B&F at the Blues.

Also i doubt you would have had McLean that high 6 months ago, he is very slow and can't kick.

 

[Slattery_20]

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As opposed to Dons supporters?
I'd give you half a chance in 2010 if you had anything that resembled a midfield.

Sylvia collecting 37 touches and 4 goals against the reigning premiers (and gathering 3 brownlow votes in a losing side) is the equal of anything Cooney has done, considering the players Col has had around him. One game, yes, but that's all I've said from the start.
Cooney well and truly has the edge over Sylvia, but in terms of individual performances, I don't see any of Cooney's that are CLEARLY BETTER.

We might be average, but... well, at least we're average.

If all a 24 or 25 year old has to hang his hat on is one or two games, he's clearly had an awesome career. I pot Walker, but blooos fans could also (rightly) claim that he's also had some awesome performances.

 

[Bulldog1954]

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Sylvia collecting 37 touches and 4 goals against the reigning premiers (and gathering 3 brownlow votes in a losing side) is the equal of anything Cooney has done, considering the players Col has had around him. One game, yes, but that's all I've said from the start.
Cooney well and truly has the edge over Sylvia, but in terms of individual performances, I don't see any of Cooney's that are CLEARLY BETTER.

I love how you keep calling them the reigning premiers. It may be true but it meant nothing in 2009, in 2009 they were an ordinary side that won nine games.

 

[higgins7]

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As opposed to Dons supporters?
I'd give you half a chance in 2010 if you had anything that resembled a midfield.

Sylvia collecting 37 touches and 4 goals against the reigning premiers (and gathering 3 brownlow votes in a losing side) is the equal of anything Cooney has done, considering the players Col has had around him. One game, yes, but that's all I've said from the start.
Cooney well and truly has the edge over Sylvia, but in terms of individual performances, I don't see any of Cooney's that are CLEARLY BETTER.

umm mate sylvia is a brownlow medlist hey??? give it up this is the funniest thing ive heard even considering sylvia in the class off cooney is a joke

 

[Enforcer25]

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I love how you keep calling them the reigning premiers. It may be true but it meant nothing in 2009, in 2009 they were an ordinary side that won nine games.

Uhh.. yeah, cos they WERE the reigning premiers.

Doesn't matter how many wins they had - they still had a lot of players playing that day who had won a premiership 9 months earlier.
For a team with players of that calibre, scrambling to defeat the bottom of the ladder side to salvage their season, you'd think they'd lock down on the opposition's player who was carving them up, but they were unable to.

Either way, a lot of you idiots are arguing over semantics which you clearly don't understand.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

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I'm not misunderstanding anything. Must be you.

I've seen most of Cooney's games.
Give me an example of his best if you're so sure its so much better.

I'm sorry but where have I said anything about Cooney's best being so much better??? You're putting words in my mouth. Where have I mentioned anything even along those lines?? Hence your misunderstanding

 

[Slattery_20]

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Uhh.. yeah, cos they WERE the reigning premiers.

Doesn't matter how many wins they had - they still had a lot of players playing that day who had won a premiership 9 months earlier.
For a team with players of that calibre, scrambling to defeat the bottom of the ladder side to salvage their season, you'd think they'd lock down on the opposition's player who was carving them up, but they were unable to.

Either way, a lot of you idiots are arguing over semantics which you clearly don't understand.

Do you think before you post?
Yes, Sylvia had one good game. Bully for him! He's had 6 seasons in the system, if you can't see that holding on to the one patch of form here and there is good enough, more fool you.

 

[cannons]

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Do you think before you post?
Yes, Sylvia had one good game. Bully for him! He's had 6 seasons in the system, if you can't see that holding on to the one patch of form here and there is good enough, more fool you.

He is merely citing the Hawthorn match as an example, you clown.

Obviously you didn't see him much last year, otherwise you would know that he had a number of impressive performances last season. Further, his stats aren't always indicative of his performances (such as the 1st Richmond match last season, where he absolutely dominated in the second quarter), as he has a lot of impact with each disposal, more so than Cooney in my opinion.

I will agree that he hasn't been as consistent as he could have been, but last season he took significant steps forward in that area, and coming off his best pre-season, hopefully he'll be even more consistent next year.

 

[The Professor]

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as he has a lot of impact with each disposal, more so than Cooney in my opinion.

Even if you could argue Col's best is better then Cooney's best, Cooney best is still very good and he hits it more often. I would take Cooney any day.

I'm pretty sure Cooney was carrying something last year as he seemed to lack that brillance. Maybe teams stepped up the tag but he didn't look right to me last year. His disposals weren't as crisp as the previous year while Col was running around freely, bombing 55+ goals.

If Col has another good two years, things might change cause Col is a very dynamic player but for now, it's easily Cooney.

 

[Enforcer25]

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I agree -- Cooney looked less effective in 2009 than the previous 2 years.

Col at his best has really looked that good - an absolute wrecking ball.
Hasn't happened too often or consistently over a sustained period, but he did reach that stage enough times last year for it to not just be a flash in the pan.

Cooney is still ahead by a country mile due to other factors, but when Col is on song he is just as damaging (I never said moreso).
Its all I've said since the beginning of this thread, even if others want to try reading between the lines.

 

[gandaal]

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This is a joke right? That absolute dud Carrazzo ahead of players like Sylvia, Adcock and Drummond? Surely you are taking the piss. Carrazzo wouldn't make the top 50 of that draft, no one cares if he won a B&F at the Blues, my dog could win a B&F at the Blues.

Also i doubt you would have had McLean that high 6 months ago, he is very slow and can't kick.

You just bitching because Collingwood drafted nothing but rubbish with its live picks in that draft. Carrazo is a very good player and his performances put him above every player listed below him.

And yes I've always rated McLean. Unlike most posters on this forum I actually have a memory that's recalls things that occured before the last round of footy. Brock has had his injuries over the last few years but he was a gun before those injuries.

I can't believe Melbourne supporters are still going on about Sylvia. This time last year he was close to being delisted and now he's better than Cooney? LOL

 

[Offsider]

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I can't believe the lack of love that Adcock is getting, he is very good player who has been consistent, I would have in the Top 5 easily, how many of you have actually seen him play. I can sort of understand Drummonds lack of love due to his injuries or else he could be pushing Top 5, maybe just around 10 ATM. And on Carrazzo, he is a cheap Stat merchant who does not hurt the oppossition, solid but just outside Top 10 IMO.

 

[Demonheart]

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umm mate sylvia is a brownlow medlist hey??? give it up this is the funniest thing ive heard even considering sylvia in the class off cooney is a joke

Where did Enforcer state that Sylvia is a Brownlow Medalist?

Cooney clearly is the better player, no one is arguing that but why make stuff up?

 

[00Stinger]

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Look Sylvia's second have of 2009 was sensational.
However I do feel a few of the Melbourne supporters are getting aheah of themselves on here. If Sylvia has two more seasons that are close to what he delivered in the second half of 2009 then we can argue about him and Cooney being on par.
On one hand I think he has turned a corner and can become a true 'A' grade player.
However on the other hand I dearly hope that he doesn't turn into the second coming of Travis Johnstone. A player that could have 35 touches one week and 5 the next couple of weeks.

 

[yaco55]

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Look Sylvia's second have of 2009 was sensational.
However I do feel a few of the Melbourne supporters are getting aheah of themselves on here. If Sylvia has two more seasons that are close to what he delivered in the second half of 2009 then we can argue about him and Cooney being on par.
On one hand I think he has turned a corner and can become a true 'A' grade player.
However on the other hand I dearly hope that he doesn't turn into the second coming of Travis Johnstone. A player that could have 35 touches one week and 5 the next couple of weeks.

I dont understand it - So much love for Sylvia but yet the coaching team made Sylvia resume for Casey Scorpions after serving a three match suspension.

Can anyone elaborate !

 

[Ron]

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You just bitching because Collingwood drafted nothing but rubbish with its live picks in that draft. Carrazo is a very good player and his performances put him above every player listed below him.

We are not the only ones who drafted rubbish, you guys wasted #2 on a spud like Walker. At least we got Heath Shaw who is 10x the player anyone the Blues picked up.

Carrazo very good? Haha. Wouldn't get a game in 13 other sides, yet he won a b&f at Carlton. Sums it up really.

 

[kosifantutti]

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Fisher is the only player I'd take in hindsight, yet the Saints rated Clarke ahead of him.

The Saints picked up a guy who's been a rock in defence, been 2nd and 3rd in the best and fairest and was All Australian two years ago at 55 in a weak draft yet somehow we got it wrong?

 

[Demonheart]

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I dont understand it - So much love for Sylvia but yet the coaching team made Sylvia resume for Casey Scorpions after serving a three match suspension.

Can anyone elaborate !

Sylvia broke a team rule, that was a penalty handed down by the playing group, so regardless of how good you are at Melbourne, if you break a team rule you pay the penalty.

 

[cannons]

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I dont understand it - So much love for Sylvia but yet the coaching team made Sylvia resume for Casey Scorpions after serving a three match suspension.

Can anyone elaborate !

Honestly, it was for tanking purposes.

If he had been in the side against Richmond that week, we probably would have won the match. In hindsight, I'm very pleased that we didn't win that game, and as such, I thank J. McMahon for his efforts.

 

[Enforcer25]

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Honestly, it was for tanking purposes.

If he had been in the side against Richmond that week, we probably would have won the match. In hindsight, I'm very pleased that we didn't win that game, and as such, I thank J. McMahon for his efforts.

From some perspectives it may look like that, but you can't speak on behalf of the club.

 

[yaco55]

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Sylvia broke a team rule, that was a penalty handed down by the playing group, so regardless of how good you are at Melbourne, if you break a team rule you pay the penalty.

Seeking clarification.

That means that any Melbourne player who is suspended in 2010 then serves a penalty at Casey scorpions.

I will wait with interest.

 

[yaco55]

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Honestly, it was for tanking purposes.

If he had been in the side against Richmond that week, we probably would have won the match. In hindsight, I'm very pleased that we didn't win that game, and as such, I thank J. McMahon for his efforts.

I accept your reason.

But you will never convince enforcer25

 

[Demonheart]

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Seeking clarification.

That means that any Melbourne player who is suspended in 2010 then serves a penalty at Casey scorpions.

I will wait with interest.

No it doesn't, you're presuming that the suspension itself was the team rule which was broken. Don't bother asking which rule he broke because I don't know, but Bailey publicly confirmed this after the event.

I can't be bothered going back to look for ana rticle 'proving' it, if you don't believe it then that's your problem.