2004 Draft Revisited (top 20)

[KING-JAMES]

some of you guys are rating Rosa and Van Berlo as hacks...these kids can play....dale morris, thursfield above these 2 are a joke

Buddy 1, Deledio 2, Cloke 3

Obviously they can play, however Dale Morris and Will Thursfield do a great job down back. Thursfield has had played some fantastic games on some of the best KPF in the game, and Dale Morris was brilliant in 2006.
I rate Rosa, and next season will say a lot about him as a player, having a bigger role in the side. Van Berlo is a classy guy as well.

 

[DynamoUltra]

If we're talking about consistency, I'd take Jordan Lewis above all other midfielders. Therefore, revising the statistics;
1. Jordan Lewis
2. Clinton Young
3. Lance Franklin
4. Travis Cloke
5. Matthew Egan
6. Danyle Pearce
7. Brett Deledio
8. Jarryd Roughead

 

[Professor Frink]

If we're talking about consistency, I'd take Jordan Lewis above all other midfielders. Therefore, revising the statistics;
1. Jordan Lewis
2. Clinton Young
3. Lance Franklin
4. Travis Cloke
5. Matthew Egan
6. Danyle Pearce
7. Brett Deledio
8. Jarryd Roughead

my view on what your iq is after every number i read:

1. 100
2. 90
3. 80
4. 50
5-10 very small

 

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

There is no way that Tambling deserves to be on that list.

 

[lets_fly_up]

1.L.Franklin - Super player
2.T.Cloke - Future Captain
3.M.Egan - All Australian Defender
4.B.Deledio
5.J.Smith
6.J.Lewis
7.R.Griffin
8.T.Williams - will be a super center half back
9.C.Knights - One of Adelaide's best midfielder's on there list
10.N.Van Berlo
11.J.Roughead
12.M.Rosa
13.M.LeCras
14.J.Sherman - Had a super 2006 season
15.M.Bate
16.C.Wood
17.N.Abblett
18.B.Prismall
19.D.Polo
20.S.Rusling

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Tom Williams above Roughead?? Not a chance.

Lewis has been better than Deledio too.
It astounds me at how under-rated Lewis is.

To think that the OP had Tambling ahead of him. pffft.

 

[dipper86]

But what did Buddy do the following week when the Hawks needed him to step up, from memory not much at all. Sure he got 3 goals against the Roos but IIRC he got them when the game was pratically dead. Also in the weeks leading up to the finals he was found wanting against some good opposition in Port and Sydney. Be honest with yourself, yes Buddy is a freak of a footballer but is not a consistent performer on the big stage yet. When he does that then he'll be a superstar.

Bahh wrong answer!!! He kicked one in the second one in the third and one at the very start of the fourth quater whilst being double and sometimes even tripple teamed.

For Buddy's output he is clearly the number 1 player currently from the 2004 draft, once again your bias against Buddy has clearlly affected your better judgment.

You say he's inconsistent, what forward week in week out plays consistently well, there aren't many, but that still doesn't change the fact that at the same age Buddy was the same or if not ahead of them, this is about the 2004 draft, not who is the best player in the league, Buddy is the best from the 2004 draft.

 

[_RT_]

Bahh wrong answer!!! He kicked one in the second one in the third and one at the very start of the fourth quater whilst being double and sometimes even tripple teamed.

For Buddy's output he is clearly the number 1 player currently from the 2004 draft, once again your bias against Buddy has clearlly affected your better judgment.

You say he's inconsistent, what forward week in week out plays consistently well, there aren't many, but that still doesn't change the fact that at the same age Buddy was the same or if not ahead of them, this is about the 2004 draft, not who is the best player in the league, Buddy is the best from the 2004 draft.

Based on output yes Buddy is clearly the best from 04. Based on what they have done compared to their position taken in the draft the I rate Egan as better. Doesn't mean I am biased just that I have an opinion that is different to most others, what makes the site great, imagine if we all agreed on everything BF would be the boringest place on Earth.

 

[richcogs]

Far this thread was not based ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE SO FAR...but on where would they be selected if the draft was done tommorow.

 

[Outlaw]

Just adding in my humble opinion....but I think at the end of the the respective playing careers of all of these players, I will be most happy North got Jesse W Smith. If the desired midfield move comes about this year, watch him dominate.

 

[dipper86]

Based on output yes Buddy is clearly the best from 04. Based on what they have done compared to their position taken in the draft the I rate Egan as better. Doesn't mean I am biased just that I have an opinion that is different to most others, what makes the site great, imagine if we all agreed on everything BF would be the boringest place on Earth.

Its not about what they have done compared to their position taken in the draft, Its if the 2004 draft was done again tomorrow who would be number 1, clearly it is Franklin. You have been biased against Franklin for a very long time, don't try to sugar coat it now with the whole everybody is different, that what makes bigfooty great crap.

 

[SuperHooper]

Why do people rank Justin Sherman so low?.


Didn't have a proper pre-season thanks to the international rules (same as Hall, Raines, O'Keefe , Peake, Crowley, McDonald and Davey). Actually most of the team has had bad luck this year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_International_Rules_Team




Compare their 2006 seasons

Sherman

487 Disposals
17 Goals
22 Games


Griffen

411 Disposals
7 Goals
24 Games


Deledio

395 Disposals
5 Goals
21 Games


We know Sherman can play at a higher standard and has had better season than most of the other players.

The other two players haven't shown more than Sherman has

 

[Heisenberg_]

Why do people rank Justin Sherman so low?.


Didn't have a proper pre-season thanks to the international rules (same as Hall, Raines, O'Keefe , Peake, Crowley, McDonald and Davey). Actually most of the team has had bad luck this year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_International_Rules_Team




Compare their 2006 seasons

Sherman

487 Disposals
17 Goals
22 Games


Griffen

411 Disposals
7 Goals
24 Games


Deledio

395 Disposals
5 Goals
21 Games


We know Sherman can play at a higher standard and has had better season than most of the other players.

The other two players haven't shown more than Sherman has

Why 2006 season?
You should compare the 2007 season seeing as that was the last season they played.
Sorry that doesn't suit you're argument though does it?

 

[SuperHooper]

Why 2006 season?
You should compare the 2007 season seeing as that was the last season they played.

To show what they can and have achieved instead of this potential "guessing" BS.

Obviously Griffen was injured as well as Sherman with a infected foot. Adding to the fact that Sherman had a interrupted pre-season thanks to his stellar (deledio beating) 2006

 

[matey]

This draft will be the making of Alistar Clarckson. Comes into the coaching game and picks up Buddy, Lewis, Roughy and Young making up nearly a quarter of your starting 18 and all have shown enough to become great players. Barring injury they will all play 200 games. Hawks as team did best out of 2004 draft and it will go down as one of best in terms of a team finding a crop in a single draft. Many clubs had Lewis as a pick 20 and Hawks were criticised for choosing him at 7 and Young was promoted as a rookie.

 

[rizzo]

Franklin is clear number 1

Egan is clear number 2 - People claim Cloke + Deledio are better, yet have not reached the same heights as Egan yet. Btw people who think this will be egans best season He has heaps of development left. When he came to the club as a VFL player he could hardly kick a footy.

 

[macca231]

1. Buddy Franklin
2. Matt Egan
3. Travis Cloke
4. Brett Deledio
5. Jesse Smith
6. Jordan Lewis
7. Ryan Griffen
8. Jarryd Roughead
9. Chris Knights
10. Sean Rusling
11. Nathan Ablett
12. Matt Rosa
13. Matt Bate
14. Nathan Van Berlo
15. Justin Sherman
16. Mark LeCras
17. Angus Monfries
18. Richard Tambling
19. Tom Williams
20. Cameron Wood

 

[_RT_]

Its not about what they have done compared to their position taken in the draft, Its if the 2004 draft was done again tomorrow who would be number 1, clearly it is Franklin. You have been biased against Franklin for a very long time, don't try to sugar coat it now with the whole everybody is different, that what makes bigfooty great crap.

The way I looked at it yes it is. Franklin is a very good player (how admitting he is a good player is percieved as bias I'll never know) but was taken as a top 5 player in that draft and as such would have been expected to be a very good player during his career.

A classic example is how many posters, yourself included, give grief to Tambling who was also taken top 5 and was expected to be a superstar but has yet to reach the same level as Deledio, Griffen and Franklin.

Egan was taken as a 4th round pick and yet as I have said time and again would have been an AA premiership winning CHB in his 3rd season. On that basis alone I rate him as doing better than Franklin since being drafted.

As for the supposed bias, pre 07 I wanted to see more out of Franklin before I rated the kid as a future superstar (not there yet but pretty close) all he needs to do now IMO is become a consistent performer and he will be a superstar.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

Egan is like 5 years older than anybody else in the draft and playing along side one of the best defensive units and one of the most dominant midfields of the modern era

If he was 20 years old and playing in a 'normal' team and still won All Australian I would rank him higher but no way I would take him above a fair few of the other players.

 

[rizzo]

Egan is like 5 years older than anybody else in the draft and playing along side one of the best defensive units and one of the most dominant midfields of the modern era

If he was 20 years old and playing in a 'normal' team and still won All Australian I would rank him higher but no way I would take him above a fair few of the other players.

Egan was the player that made us one of the best defensive units.

 

[smiddaz123]

Egan is older. Of course he'll peak before the others.

I'd take Deledio and Cloke before Egan.

 

[rizzo]

Egan is older. Of course he'll peak before the others.

I'd take Deledio and Cloke before Egan.

He has also only been playing footy for 3 - 4 years. He was a tennis player before. So technically has a lot of footy left in him

 

[smiddaz123]

He has also only been playing footy for 3 - 4 years. He was a tennis player before. So technically has a lot of footy left in him

My point stands. He was always going to peak before the others.

 

[rizzo]

My point stands. He was always going to peak before the others.

How can you peak before others when you have been playing that game less then other people. You may peak physically but just because your big doesn't mean your a good footballer.

 

[macca231]

My point stands. He was always going to peak before the others.

Just like midfielders should peak before KPPs meaning Deledio should slide down that list a fair way