2008 Official BigFooty Phantom Draft

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A similar team that brought you the 2008 Trial is back for the real deal, which will be starting on Thursday 6th November (tomorrow). With list lodgements and trade period out of the way we now know who's picking where and how many picks they'll have (give or take PSD options). For the purpose of this exercise we'll just fill all of the spots in the draft, rather than reserving picks for a PSD. The main idea of this is to circulate quality discussion of the draft hopefuls (this can include recycled players, of course).

ROUND 1
Pick 1 - Melbourne --------- Jack Watts - KP Forward - 196cm, 85kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 2 - West Coast -------- Nick Naitanui - Ruck - 201cm, 94kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 3 - Fremantle --------- Daniel Rich - Midfielder - 183cm, 83kg - Subiaco, WA
Pick 4 - Port Adelaide ------ Tyrone Vickery - Ruck/Key Forward - 200cm, 89kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 5 - Essendon ---------- Jackson Trengove - KP Defender - 196cm, 88kg - Calder Cannons, Vic
Pick 6 - Carlton ------------- Michael Hurley - KP Defender - 192cm, 92kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 7 - Brisbane ----------- Jack Ziebell - Midfielder/Utility - 188cm, 84kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 8 - Richmond --------- Hamish Hartlett - Midfielder - 182cm, 74kg - West Adelaide, SA
Pick 9 - North Melbourne -- Chris Yarran - Medium/Small Forward - 180cm, 84kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 10 - Adelaide ---------- Steele Sidebottom - Midfielder - 182cm, 79kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 11 - Collingwood ------ Sam Blease - Midfielder - 183cm, 72kg - Eastern Ranges, Vic
Pick 12 - Sydney ----------- Stephen Hill - Midfielder - 182cm, 72kg - West Perth, WA
Pick 13 - St.Kilda ----------- Lewis Johnston - KP Forward - 192cm, 87kg - North Adelaide, SA
Pick 14 - Western Bulldogs - Ayce Cordy F/S - Ruck/KP Forward - 202cm, 77kg - Geelong Falcons, Vic
Pick 15 - Geelong ----------- Ash Smith - Midfielder - 185cm, 84kg - Dandenong Stingrays, Vic
Pick 16 - Hawthorn ---------- Phil Davis - KP Defender - 192cm, 83kg - North Adelaide, SA

ROUND 2 PRIORITY PICKS
Pick 17 - Melbourne --------- Tom Swift - Midfielder - 192cm, 84kg - Claremont, WA
Pick 18 - West Coast -------- James Strauss - Midfielder - 185cm, 82kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic

ROUND 2
Pick 19 - Melbourne ---------- Ryan Schoenmakers - KP Forward/Third Tall - 194cm, 85kg - Norwood, SA
Pick 20 - West Coast --------- Jarrad Blight - Utility - 189cm, 73kgs - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 21 - Fremantle ---------- Michael Walters - Small Forward - 177cm, 75kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 22 - Port Adelaide ------- Shaun McKernan - Tall Utility - 196cm, 95kg - Calder Cannons, Vic
Pick 23 - Essendon ----------- Dan Hannebery - Midfielder - 182cm, 75kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic
Pick 24 - Fremantle ----------- Mitch Robinson - Midfielder - 188cm, 77kg - Tasmania
Pick 25 - Brisbane ------------- Dayne Beams - Midfield - 184cm, 81kg - Southport Shark, QLD
Pick 26 - Richmond ------------ Jordan Roughead - Ruck - 200cm, 92kg - North Ballarat Rebels, Vic
Pick 27 - North Melbourne ---- Jordan Lisle - Tall Utility - 196cm, 93kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic
Pick 28 - Adelaide ------------- Nick Suban - Small Defender - 179cm, 82kg - North Ballarat Rebels, Vic
Pick 29 - Collingwood --------- Nick Heyne - Medium Forward - 187cm, 79kg - Gippsland Power, Vic
Pick 30 - Sydney --------------- Tom Lynch - Tall Utility - 191cm, 84kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 31 - Western Bulldogs --- Tom Rockliff - Small Forward - 183cm, 83kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 32 - Western Bulldogs --- Jayden Post - KP Defender - 195cm, 86kg - Western Jets, Vic
Pick 33 - Geelong -------------- Rhys O'Keeffe - Utility - 187cm, 80kg - North Adelaide, SA
Pick 34 - Hawthorn ------------- Luke Shuey - Midfielder - 185cm, 84kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic

ROUND 3
Pick 35 - Melbourne ------------ Matthew Broadbent - Utility - 189cm, 81kg - Woodville-West Torrens, SA
Pick 36 - West Coast ----------- David Zaharakis - Midfielder - 180cm, 73kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 37 - Fremantle ------------- Jarred Redden - Ruck - 202cm, 88kg - Woodville-West Torrens, SA
Pick 38 - Port Adelaide --------- Sam Wright - Utility - 188cm, 76kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 39 - Geelong --------------- Nathan O'Keefe - KP Forward - 192cm, 82kg - Eastern Ranges
Pick 40 - Carlton ---------------- Mitch Brown - KP Forward - 191cm, 82kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 41 - Brisbane --------------- Tom Hill - Ruck/KP Forward - 198cm, 79kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 42 - Port Adelaide ---------- Paul Cahill - KP Forward - 192cm, 80kg - Sturt, SA
Pick 43 - North Melbourne ------- Matt DeBoer - Midfield - 187cm, 85kg - Claremont, WA
Pick 44 - Adelaide --------------- Neville Jetta - Small Forward - 178cm, 75kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 45 - Collingwood ------------ Clancee Pearce - Small Defender - 183cm, 85kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 46 - Collingwood ------------ Aaron Cornelius - KP Forward (third tall?) - 192cm, 84kg - Tasmania
Pick 47 - St.Kilda ---------------- Jamie Sheahan - Midfielder - 178cm, 73kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 48 - St.Kilda ---------------- Jordan Jones - KP Defender/Third Tall - 190cm, 90kg - Geelong Falcons, Vic
Pick 49 - Geelong ---------------- Taylor Hunt - Midfield - 183cm, 79kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 50 - Hawthorn -------------- Rory Sloane - Small Defender - 182cm, 76kg - Eastern Ranges, Vic

ROUND 4
Pick 51 - Melbourne ---------- Tom Allwright - Midfield - 185cm, 83kg - Tasmania
Pick 52 - West Coast -------- Michael Still - KP Forward - 192cm, 81kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 53 - Fremantle ---------- Lance Daly - KP Forward - 191cm, 83kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 54 - Port Adelaide ------- Jay Shannon - Midfield - 182cm, 80kg - Port Adelaide Magpies, SA
Pick 55 - Essendon ----------- Luke Rounds - Midfielder - 181cm, 70kg - Geelong Falcons, Vic
Pick 56 - Fremantle ----------- Bart McColluch - Ruck/Tall Utility - 198cm, 83kg - Tasmania
Pick 57 - Brisbane ------------ Chris Hall - Midfield - 179cm, 65kg - Woodville-West Torrens, SA
Pick 58 - Richmond ----------- Jake Walsh - KP Forward - 196cm, 96kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 59 - North Melbourne ---- Todd Banfield - Midfield - 182cm, 75kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 60 - Adelaide ------------ Alex Stopp - KP Defender/Third Tall - 189cm 86kg - Norwood, SA
Pick 61 - Sydney ------------- Steve Gaertner - Tall Utility - 198cm, 88kg - Dandenong Stingrays, Vic
Pick 62 - St.Kilda ------------- Kade Klemke - Small Defender - 180cm, 78kg - Murray Bushrangers, NSW
Pick 63 - Hawthorn ----------- Rhys Stanley - Ruckman - 199cm, 84kg - West Adelaide Bloods, SA

ROUND 5
Pick 64 - Melbourne ---------- Zachary Clarke - Ruckman - 203cm, 77kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic
Pick 65 - Carlton ------------- Charlie Sharples - Medium Forward - 188cm, 81kg - Northern Territory
Pick 66 - Port Adelaide ------- Bryn Weadon - Utility - 185cm, 88kg - North Ballarat Rebels, NT
Pick 67 - Essendon ----------- Steven Motlop - Midfield - 181cm, 68kg - Northern Territory
Pick 68 - Fremantle ----------- Alistair Smith - Midfield - 183cm, 80kg - Perth, WA
Pick 69 - Brisbane ------------ Ian Richardson - Small Forward - 175cm, ??kg - Claremont, WA
Pick 70 - Richmond ----------- Liam Jones - KP Forward - 194cm, 84kg - Tasmania
Pick 71 - North Melbourne --- Adam Cockie - Midfielder - 180cm, ??kg - Subiaco, WA
Pick 72 - Adelaide ------------ Ben Bucovaz - Tall Utility (Third Tall) - 188cm, 88kg - Geelong Falcons, Vic
Pick 73 - Collingwood -------- Tom German - Midfielder - 179cm, 80kg - Calder Cannons, Vic
Pick 74 - St.Kilda ------------ Ben Cousins - Saviour - 179cm, 87kg - West Coast
Pick 75 - Hawthorn ---------- Mitch Banner - Utility - 178cm, 77kg - Western Jets, Vic

ROUND 6
Pick 76 - Melbourne --------- Liam Shiels - Midfield - 183cm, 78kg - Eastern Ranges, Vic
Pick 77 - Fremantle --------- John Bennell - Small Forward 174cm, 68kg - Peel Thunder, WA
Pick 78 - Port Adelaide ------ Tom Gillies - KP Defender - 192cm, 85kg - Dandenong Stingrays, Vic
Pick 79 - Essendon ---------- Brad Mangan - Medium Forward - 185cm, 85kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 80 - Carlton ------------ Warren Benjamin - Midfielder - 187cm, 85kg - Claremont, WA
Pick 81 - Brisbane ----------- Peter Rolfe - Midfielder - 181cm, 73kg - South Adelaide, NT
Pick 82 - Brisbane ----------- Casey Sibosado - KP Forward - 192cm, 85kg - Oakleigh Chargers, NT
Pick 83 - St.Kilda ------------ Alex Silvagni - KP Defender - 192cm, 92kg - Casey Scorpions, Vic

ROUND 7
Pick 84 - Port Adelaide ------ Ben Speight - Midfielder - 180cm, 70kg - Norwood, SA
Pick 85 - Carlton ------------- Shane Savage - Midfielder - 184cm, 75kg - Dandenong Stingrays, Vic

Here is the team that's been assembled for the Official Phantom Draft and the club they'll be picking for. Due to sinepari and ant555 unfortunately having to pull out there has been a couple of changes. I'd like to thank them for their contributions in the Trial Run and also welcome aboard Gilly1972 and TFLUA-Tiger:

Melbourne - McLean_4_Captain
West Coast - Gilly1972
Fremantle - Ysaye
Port Adelaide - Vic Crow
Essendon - foj1
Carlton - HBF
Brisbane - Quigley
Richmond - TFLUA-Tiger
North Melbourne - chrsco
Adelaide - Thunderstruck
Collingwood - Snoop Dog
Sydney - grub29
St.Kilda - Bourky23
Western Bulldogs - sportz1
Geelong - Bloods Boy From The Bush
Hawthorn - LukeHodge15

I will continually update this first post throughout the draft for easy reference, because no doubt there'll be many, many pages of discussion and analysis making the actual order hard to follow. Of course, this discussion is highly encouraged because it's usually of top quality.

 

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Club by club selections

Adelaide - Thunderstruck
Pick 10 - Steele Sidebottom - Midfielder - 182cm, 79kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 28 - Nick Suban - Small Defender - 179cm, 82kg - North Ballarat Rebels, Vic
Pick 44 - Neville Jetta - Small Forward - 178cm, 75kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 60 - Alex Stopp - KP Defender/Third Tall - 189cm 86kg - Norwood, SA
Pick 72 - Ben Bucovaz - Tall Utility (Third Tall) - 188cm, 88kg - Geelong Falcons, Vic

Brisbane - Quigley
Pick 7 - Jack Ziebell - Midfielder/Utility - 188cm, 84kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 25 - Dayne Beams - Midfield - 184cm, 81kg - Southport Sharks, QLD
Pick 41 - Tom Hill - Ruck/KP Forward - 198cm, 79kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 57 - Chris Hall - Midfield - 179cm, 65kg - Woodville-West Torrens, SA
Pick 69 - Ian Richardson - Small Forward - 175cm, ??kg - Claremont, WA
Pick 81 - Peter Rolfe - Midfielder - 181cm, 73kg - South Adelaide, NT
Pick 82 - Casey Sibosado - KP Forward - 192cm, 85kg - Oakleigh Chargers, NT

Carlton - HBF
Pick 6 - Michael Hurley - KP Defender - 192cm, 92kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 40 - Mitch Brown - KP Forward - 191cm, 82kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 65 - Charlie Sharples - Medium Forward - 188cm, 81kg - Northern Territory
Pick 80 - Warren Benjamin - Midfielder - 187cm, 85kg - Claremont, WA
Pick 85 - Shane Savage - Midfielder - 184cm, 75kg - Dandenong Stingrays, Vic

Collingwood - Snoop Dog
Pick 11 - Sam Blease - Midfielder - 183cm, 72kg - Eastern Ranges, Vic
Pick 29 - Nick Heyne - Medium Forward - 187cm, 79kg - Gippsland Power, Vic
Pick 45 - Clancee Pearce - Small Defender - 183cm, 85kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 46 - Aaron Cornelius - KP Forward (third tall?) - 192cm, 84kg - Tasmania
Pick 73 - Tom German - Midfielder - 179cm, 80kg - Calder Cannons, Vic

Essendon - foj1
Pick 5 - Jackson Trengove - KP Defender - 196cm, 88kg - Calder Cannons, Vic
Pick 23 - Dan Hannebery - Midfielder - 182cm, 75kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic
Pick 55 - Luke Rounds - Midfielder - 181cm, 70kg - Geelong Falcons, Vic
Pick 67 - Steven Motlop - Midfield - 181cm, 68kg - Northern Territory
Pick 79 - Brad Mangan - Medium Forward - 185cm, 85kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic

Fremantle - Ysaye
Pick 3 - Daniel Rich - Midfielder - 183cm, 83kg - Subiaco, WA
Pick 21 - Michael Walters - Small Forward - 177cm, 75kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 24 - Mitch Robinson - Midfielder - 188cm, 77kg - Tasmania
Pick 37 - Jarred Redden - Ruck - 202cm, 88kg - Woodville-West Torrens, SA
Pick 53 - Lance Daly - KP Forward - 191cm, 83kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 56 - Bart McColluch - Ruck/Tall Utility - 198cm, 83kg - Tasmania
Pick 68 - Alistair Smith - Midfield - 183cm, 80kg - Perth, WA
Pick 77 - John Bennell - Small Forward 174cm, 68kg - Peel Thunder, WA

Geelong - Bloods boy from the Bush
Pick 15 - Ash Smith - Midfielder - 185cm, 84kg - Dandenong Stingrays, Vic
Pick 33 - Rhys O'Keeffe - Utility - 187cm, 80kg - North Adelaide, SA
Pick 39 - Nathan O'Keefe - KP Forward - 192cm, 82kg - Eastern Ranges
Pick 49 - Taylor Hunt - Midfield - 183cm, 79kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic

Hawthorn - LukeHodge15
Pick 16 - Phil Davis - KP Defender - 192cm, 83kg - North Adelaide, SA
Pick 34 - Luke Shuey - Midfielder - 185cm, 84kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic
Pick 50 - Rory Sloane - Small Defender - 182cm, 76kg - Eastern Ranges, Vic
Pick 63 - Rhys Stanley - Ruckman - 199cm, 84kg - West Adelaide, SA
Pick 75 - Mitch Banner - Utility - 178cm, 77kg - Western Jets, Vic

Melbourne - McLean_4_Captain
Pick 1 - Jack Watts - KP Forward - 196cm, 85kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 17 - Tom Swift - Midfielder - 192cm, 84kg - Claremont, WA
Pick 19 - Ryan Schoenmakers - KP Forward/Third Tall - 194cm, 85kg - Norwood, SA
Pick 35 - Matthew Broadbent - Utility - 189cm, 81kg - Woodville-West Torrens, SA
Pick 51 - Tom Allwright - Midfield - 185cm, 83kg - Tasmania
Pick 64 - Zachary Clarke - Ruckman - 203cm, 77kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic
Pick 76 - Liam Shiels - Midfield - 183cm, 78kg - Eastern Ranges, Vic

North Melbourne - chrsco
Pick 9 - Chris Yarran - Medium/Small Forward - 180cm, 84kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 27 - Jordan Lisle - Tall Utility - 196cm, 93kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic
Pick 43 - Matt DeBoer - Midfield - 187cm, 85kg - Claremont, WA
Pick 59 - Todd Banfield - Midfield - 182cm, 75kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 71 - Adam Cockie - Midfielder - 180cm, ??kg - Subiaco, WA

Port Adelaide - Vic Crow
Pick 4 - Tyrone Vickery - Ruck/Key Forward - 200cm, 89kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 22 - Shaun McKernan - Tall Utility - 196cm, 95kg - Calder Cannons, Vic
Pick 38 - Sam Wright - Utility - 188cm, 76kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 42 - Paul Cahill - KP Forward - 192cm, 80kg - Sturt, SA
Pick 54 - Jay Shannon - Midfield - 182cm, 80kg - Port Adelaide Magpies, SA
Pick 66 - Bryn Weadon - Utility - 185cm, 88kg - North Ballarat Rebels, NT
Pick 78 - Tom Gillies - KP Defender - 192cm, 85kg - Dandenong Stingrays, Vic
Pick 84 - Ben Speight - Midfielder - 180cm, 70kg - Norwood, SA

Richmond - TFLUA-Tiger
Pick 8 - Hamish Hartlett - Midfielder - 182cm, 74kg - West Adelaide, SA
Pick 26 - Jordan Roughead - Ruck - 199cm, 87kg - North Ballarat Rebels, Vic
Pick 58 - Jake Walsh - KP Forward - 196cm, 96kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 70 - Liam Jones - KP Forward - 194cm, 84kg - Tasmania

St.Kilda - Bourky23
Pick 13 - Lewis Johnston - KP Forward - 192cm, 87kg - North Adelaide, SA
Pick 47 - Jamie Sheahan - Midfielder - 178cm, 73kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 48 - Jordan Jones - KP Defender/Third Tall - 190cm, 90kg - Geelong Falcons, Vic
Pick 62 - Kade Klemke - Small Defender - 180cm, 78kg - Murray Bushrangers, NSW
Pick 74 - Ben Cousins - Saviour - 179cm, 87kg - West Coast
Pick 83 - Alex Silvagni - KP Defender - 192cm, 92kg - Casey Scorpions, Vic

Sydney - grub29
Pick 12 - Stephen Hill - Midfielder - 182cm, 72kg - West Perth, WA
Pick 30 - Tom Lynch - Tall Utility - 191cm, 84kg - Sandringham Dragons, Vic
Pick 61 - Steve Gaertner - Tall Utility - 198cm, 88kg - Dandenong Stingrays, Vic

West Coast - Gilly1972
Pick 2 - Nick Naitanui - Ruck - 201cm, 94kg - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 18 - James Strauss - Midfielder - 185cm, 82kg - Oakleigh Chargers, Vic
Pick 20 - Jarrad Blight - Utility - 189cm, 73kgs - Swan Districts, WA
Pick 36 - David Zaharakis - Midfielder - 180cm, 73kg - Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 52 - Michael Still - KP Forward - 192cm, 81kg - Northern Knights, Vic

Western Bulldogs - sportz1
Pick 14 F/S - Ayce Cordy - Ruck/KP Forward - 202cm, 77kg - Geelong Falcons, Vic
Pick 31 - Tom Rockliff - Small Forward - 183cm, 83kg - Murray Bushrangers, Vic
Pick 32 - Jayden Post - KP Defender - 195cm, 86kg - Western Jets, Vic

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Alright, lets get this thing started. I might not be on much in the morning, so i thought i'd start it now.

Melbourne - Pick 1 - Jack Watts

What was probably the easiest pick i made in the trial (but by no means easy) has only been made easier by Watts' fantastic DC. He showed during u18 carnival what a great contested mark he is and that he's a good, long kick for goal. His DC just reinforced why Melbourne should take him at No.1, 2nd in 20m sprints & agility, which is just unbelievable for a kid who's over 195cm. I usually think that DC is more important for the players who aren't at the top of the draft, but Watts' performance at DC made me more confident Melbourne should take him.

Watts' agility was a real stand out for me in the games i've seen him play, he steps around players like a midfielder and is not afraid to back himself. Bottom aged and only been solely focusing on football this year, he will still have a huge amount of improvement in him, that makes me think he could be the best forward from the last few drafts. Melbourne could surely use both of Naitanui or Rich, but it had to be Watts.

 

[Salaryman]

I'm actually out of action tomorrow morning too......so given that:

West Coast - Selection 2 - Nicholas Naitanui.

I'm not going to bother to do a write-up..been done to death IMO, but will write something more at a later stage.

 

[jgb99]

How predictable Hopefully Ysaye pulls one a bit more from left field to make things interesting.

 

[Ysaye]

Daniel Rich

Same reasons as before.

 

[Go_Dogs]

And now the fun starts.

Good luck all, will follow this with interest.

 

[jgb99]

Haha all good, mate. I'd be very happy with Rich at the club next year

 

[HBF]

And now the fun starts.

Good luck all, will follow this with interest.

Spot on. How it falls now will be very very interesting.

 

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Well, for this exercise I'm trying to put on a Port cap as much as possible. I'm trying to pick who I think they're more likely to go with. It should also be noted that when putting on a Port cap, all of my hair suddenly fell out. Poison.

Anyway, with that in mind I'm actually taking a guy who is not best available on my list, but the guy I suspect Port would be keen on:

Pick 4 - Tyrone Vickery - Ruck/Key Forward - 200cm, 86kg - Sandringham Dragons

OK, so it's not a 'cool' pick to make as he's the name often spoken alongside the Big 3, but not usually quite in the same company. The major doubt I had over making this pick was the fact that Port picked Matthew Lobbe in the first round last year, who is a similar sized player. But after the delisting of Deluca, along with the aging of Lade and Brogan, they've only got the untried Lobbe and Jonathan Giles in their 'ruck' stables (please correct me if I'm wrong Port fans - I haven't had that much time to really study your needs just yet).

With that said, I'm more interested in Vickery as a tall forward who can pinch hit in the ruck. He's a very good contested mark - not quite the best in this draft crop, but he is definitely right up there. What I like most about him is his ground skills, agility and endeavour around the contest. In that regard you could consider him a poor man's Kreuzer for now. Who knows which one will end up being better so early in their careers? The point is that Kreuzer would've had him shaded in most facets of the game at this time last year, but not by too much.

He has proven to be an accurate kick for goal this TAC Cup season (10.3 in eight games). Mind you, I'm still not 100% sold on his set shot goal kicking, as funny as that sounds. I saw a few times where he put the ball a little bit short and didn't score and when he does miss it appears as though he hits the ball quite early on the way through.

His tap work is good. Very good when he gets his hands on the ball actually. He directs traffic well and there's a purpose to wear he's putting the ball rather than just getting first hand on it. Sandringham didn't play him in the ruck too much, but there was two weeks in a row where they put him in there after the Nationals and he had a good duel with Jordan Roughead of North Ballarat and thumped the trio the Knights threw at him. In a close game, Vickery's ruck work was the reason they won that day IMO. He played ruck a fair bit for Vic Metro and was good. Not show stopping, but pretty good.

The remarkable thing about Bob (as in Sideshow) is that he underwent a full knee reconstruction early in 2007. I think that aspect is often overlooked when discussing him. You don't often see players of any age come back so well from a knee reco in their first year back. He has not looked hampered by the injury at all this year.

As I said at the start, I don't have him in my Top 4. At least in the very early picks there is some degree of accuracy where you can take an educated guess. There have been some rumblings that Port are keen on Vickery and to me that makes sense, so that helped in making the pick. Other players I rate higher on my list are Steele Sidebottom, Chris Yarran and Hamish Hartlett. Yarran is the only one of that lot I would consider Port to be a chance at taking. I also have a hard time splitting Hurley and Vickery. While there are also some whispers surrounding Hurley to Port, I tend to believe the Vickery to Port talk a bit more.

 

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Also FWIW, Snoop Dog won't be online today at all, so we'll only get as far as Pick 10 today.

 

[Vader]

I think previously there were separate threads: 1 for just posting the selections + write up, another for general discussion. Would that be helpful?

it definitely would be.

Summary thread is now up & running. The thread is closed to prevent discussion type posts leaking in. Mods will copy posts across as draft selections are made.

 

[foj1]

Pick 5 Jackson Trengove 197cm 79kg Calder

Athletic, high leaping ruckman/ defender who had an injury ravaged year.
I think Trengove will be an effective spoiling defender at AFL level and will be a more than capable mobile jeff white/ matthew kruezer style ruckman.
Some Bomber fans will whine about wanting a midfielder however our tall stocks are:
lloyd, lucas, fletcher all over 30
ryder, hille above average
gumbleton. neagle lots of potential unproven
pears, daniher, bellchambers, hooker unproven- young
laycock- potential but very inconsistent
we delisted 3 talls in johns, michael and lee.
Hence with the trading for Prismall I am more than happy to go tall here.
I rate Trengove as high as 3 in this draft and feel he has a heap of development in him due to injury and limited exposure to tac footy.

 

[Dave The Man]

Pick 5 Jackson Trengove 197cm 79kg Calder

Athletic, high leaqping ruckman/ defender who had an injury ravaged year.
I think Trengove will be an effective spoiling defender at AFL level and will be a more than capable mobile jeff white/ matthew kruezer style ruckman.
Some Bomber fans will whine about wanring a midfielder however our tall stocks are:
lloyd, lucas, fletcher all over 30
ryder, hille above average
gumbleton. neagle lots of potential unproven
pears, daniher, bellchambers, hooker unproven- young
laycock- potential but very inconsistent
we delisted 3 talls in johns, michael and lee.
Hence with the trading for Prismall I am more than happy to go tall here.
I rate Trengove as high as 3 in this draft and feel he has a heap of development in him due to injury and limited exposure to tac footy.

Interesting you took him before Hurley but I can see why with Trengove's Higher Potential

 

[Salaryman]

From HBF via SMS

Selection 6 - Carlton - Michael Hurley

 

[LemmingMaster]

From HBF via SMS

Selection 6 - Carlton - Michael Hurley

That selection was almost as obvious as VC picking Sidebottom if he is available.

 

[LukeHodge15]

Absolutely love the Trengove pick foj1.

 

[Quigley]

Brisbane - Jack Ziebell

After the big three this is absolutely best case scenario for me. I love Ziebell and he is just what the Lions need. He is a big bodied mid who can win his own ball has fantastic disposal skills and can go forward and kick goals. Throw in that he is one of the best leaders available this year and you have someone who I would love to have at the Lions. The only downside is that he doesn't have great pace but what the hell I can live with that.

Jack Ziebell (DOB – 28/2/91, Ht – 188, Wt – 84)

Very powerfully built bottom aged player who should be a top 5 player this year. He is listed as a utility and is equally adept at HF, HB or in the middle. What you really notice is that whatever group he is with lifts when he is there and he makes those around him better. Long term I see him as being an inside midfielder but expect him to start up forward or down back depending on the needs of the team picking him. As he builds his endurance expect him to move into the middle full time and become that type of big bodied mid like Voss or Buckley that adds so much to midfield balance. He is a presence in the middle and has the knack of reading the ball off hands and being in the right place at the right time in contests. He is not a huge possession winner at the moment which I think is a factor of a lack of endurance and the fact that he plays at least half the game either up forward or down back. What sets him apart from virtually everyone is the quality of his disposal. He and Rich in my opinion are a class apart from anyone else available this year. He is a right footer with quick hands and exceptional vision and who works well under pressure. He is good overhead and can take a nice contested mark. He is good tackler and does the 1%ers that assist teammates. There has been a lot of talk about Sidebottom’s finish to the season but apart from the final the player who was the dominant player in the TAC in the latter stages of the year was Ziebell. I think a few are discounting him a bit because he didn’t appear in any of the top 10s at camp. Teams though always realised that he is not an elite runner (he is a power athlete) and will take him for what he can do on the park and the fact that these elite runners have had no ability to shut him down. Consider further that he is bottom aged and there is likely to be plenty of development in him yet. Those involved with him at the AIS are all big raps for him and think he is destined to captain whatever side he ends up at. Overall he is a class player who has a chance to be an elite player at AFL level and is the guy I will be praying falls to Brisbane come the real thing.

 

[scotty4]

yes!!

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Richmond - Hamish Hartlett

With both Vickery and Trengove gone, two KPP's highly rated by me who fit our needs, I turned to the best available. The guy I had at 4 on my rankings was still here, and despite him being a midfielder, I feel you can never have enough, especially elite ones. I believe Hamish has the capacity to become an elite midfielder, and is a perfect fit at Richmond.

Hamish Hartlett – 182cm, 74kg – West Adelaide

I'm a massive rap on Hamish, and love his poise, his pace, and most of all the quality of his disposal. I'd say that his footskills on either side of his body are some of the best in the draft. He not only kicks the ball nicely, but kicks it a long way, and can sneak forward and kick goals too. His positioning around the ground is excellent, and reads the play very well.

Hamish had a tough time coping with a tag throughout the Championships, and could have worked harder to break the tag at times. In saying that, he still performed reasonably well throughout the Championships, but it revealed that possibly a higher work rate/ethic is required. That, plus a few lapses of concentration in kicking are his main weaknesses, but I raet him very, very highly.

Hartlett oozes class, and a midfielder with top class disposal is a welcome addition to the Tigers.

 

[foj1]

So what made you jump off the McKernan concept?

I treat this exercise as what I would do- I dont necessarily always agree with Mr Dodoro and Mr Keane. They agreed with me last year when I selected David Myers maybe I will persuade them again. (For those who cant detect it I am being extremely sarcastic!)

 

[Off Tap]

Not a bad midfield now for the Tiges.

 

[Toadvine]

I would be very happy with this indeed.

Well done TFLUA-TIGER I'm looking forward to you later choices as you seem to know your stuff.

 

[PHX]

Trengove is a gutsy but certainly potentially most rewarding pick.

TFLUA did very well getting Hartlett at 8.

 

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I've updated the first post with all of the picks made so far. I've been running around all day setting up my internet connection. Had to make my pick from the library today. I'm all settled now so I'll be able to keep that first post up to date all the time.

While discussion is encouraged, I'm going to recommend to the mods that all off topic discussion gets deleted. It'll make the thread hard to follow if there's a heap of irrelevant stuff in it. We're on about 80 posts for 8 picks so far. You reckon this thread will start getting confusing by Pick 60 if this keeps up?