2009 Trade Discussion Part 2

[King Arthur]

Adcock to Lockyer looks very tempting. Lockyer should by a top 10 back and a keaper whilst Adcock is most likely to fall in value with a break even of 94. Only upside of keeping him is to wait for a Hodge, Mackie, Embley to fall in value (as they will) but i think Lockyer will average more then 3 of them and it's only costing me 45k.

 

[brent-83]

I cant decide who to trade out of Spangher or Hill to Cheeney?

Hill will get far more opportunity to score. Spangher is likely to score more, but likely to be dropped more often.

 

[lmaohelp]

got trent hentchel shuld i trade him out this week ?

whos a better option garlett or walker, or is there someone else i shuld be lookin at?

 

[Mordecai]

Ok, so I've been reading through these threads a little bit and am having trouble trying to reconcile all of these "rules".

At the moment I have Hentschel, Raines, Knights and Hill (in for Knights).

I'm more than happy to cover but I think I need +60 points for the next few weeks just so I can stay in reach.

I've considered Knights to Gibbs or Beams (or other rookie). Then Raines to Ellis/Harding. Also, I've considered Hentschel to Skipworth (with no midpriced premium alternatives I can see).

Knights to Gibbs doesn't allow the other trades which is the issue.

What "rules" should I be following given my situation?

 

[LemmingMaster]

Ok, so I've been reading through these threads a little bit and am having trouble trying to reconcile all of these "rules".

At the moment I have Hentschel, Raines, Knights and Hill (in for Knights).

I'm more than happy to cover but I think I need +60 points for the next few weeks just so I can stay in reach.

I've considered Knights to Gibbs or Beams (or other rookie). Then Raines to Ellis/Harding. Also, I've considered Hentschel to Skipworth (with no midpriced premium alternatives I can see).

Knights to Gibbs doesn't allow the other trades which is the issue.

What "rules" should I be following given my situation?

It is important to understand your trading concepts as well. Some people also leave two trades aside for squad adjustments.

The main concept you should consider is will this trade add $100,000 or 300 points. Then there are a number of variables from cover, rookies about to go up in price and falling premiums.

Knights to Gibbs - This could fall into two brackets, squad adjustment or LTI. Just know that somewhere down the track you could need this trade.
Raines to Harding/Ellis means that you view either of these players as keepers. Raines could be coming back in 2-3weeks, how would you feel if he did come back in 3 weeks and started playing?

 

[Notorious_29]

Sandilands + Hasleby > McIntosh + Gibbs.

Thoughts? Wary on burning two trades early.

your joking arent you.

sandilans has started well avereging mid 80's IIRC, hasleby is just getting into the rythm of things again and hasnt had too much TOG.

just cause gibbs has started with a couple of big games doesnt mean you have to jump on him.

IMO dont make these trades.

 

[Rowie09]

your joking arent you.

sandilans has started well avereging mid 80's IIRC, hasleby is just getting into the rythm of things again and hasnt had too much TOG.

just cause gibbs has started with a couple of big games doesnt mean you have to jump on him.

IMO dont make these trades.

No worries. Just that ive heard around the traps that Sandi is playing injured, and has been proppy in the games he has played. I havent seen him play, so I cant judge. Any truth?

 

[Mordecai]

It is important to understand your trading concepts as well. Some people also leave two trades aside for squad adjustments.

The main concept you should consider is will this trade add $100,000 or 300 points. Then there are a number of variables from cover, rookies about to go up in price and falling premiums.

Knights to Gibbs - This could fall into two brackets, squad adjustment or LTI. Just know that somewhere down the track you could need this trade.
Raines to Harding/Ellis means that you view either of these players as keepers. Raines could be coming back in 2-3weeks, how would you feel if he did come back in 3 weeks and started playing?

Thanks Tarquin.

At the beginning of the week I thought Raines to a midpriced keeper in Ellis or Harding (I have faith in Harding) before they rose was the logical play. That I have delayed such a trade for a week means keeping Raines might not be a bad option.

Now that I've copped two additional injuries this week (which in normal circumstances I would just cover for) I think my hand is forced. Reading the thread on how many points per week you need to be (at least) within striking distance of the number 1 position has made me rethink my trading strategy. As it stands I'm likely to get 1800-1900 points because of my 3 injuries (-40 x 3 reserves). I need to average circa 2000 for the first 7 weeks.

I need to do the trades now just to keep on course.

Knights (4 week injury) --> Gibbs (premium keeper). Gibbs = +40 > Otten.
Hentschell (4 week injury) --> Garlett (cash cow). Garlett = Walker.

+40 + same structure. Question mark on Garlett. Will miss the Ellis boat.

Knights (4 week injury) --> Beams (cash cow). Beams = Otten.
Hentschell (4 week injury) --> Skipworth (bolter). Skipworth = +40 > Walker.

+40 + 1 more trade down the track. Will get Ellis for Dempsey.

Knights (4 week injury) --> Beams (cash cow). Beams = Otten.
Raines (2-3 week injury) --> Ellis (midpriced keeper). Ellis = +50 > Hill.

+50 + same structure. Raines is nearly back though.

The remaing points come from captain choice (Ablett last week) and a few underperforming players who will be fine.

 

[Latro]

I had Knights and traded him to Beams. I have then traded Nicoski to Lockyer. My reasons for these trades is I dont trust Knights to score wellenough to keep him for weeks without scoring Nicoski was been awful was likely to drop 20k if he kept scoring the same. My backline was in awful shape as I had Goddard, S Fisher, Cornes, Houlihan, Nicoski, Suban and Hill all starting. While backs 6 and 7 are still not good I have enough cash leftover to trade Hill to Ellis or wait a couple more rounds for Hodge to fall in price.

Also should score more this week with Beams having greater potential than Nicoski IMO.

 

[sossy19]

still unsure whether to sit on knights for the 4 weeks.
i can jump on swan now if raines goes out and have 4 out of my 9 backs being rooks, dunno if i;ll be comfortable with that :S

 

[Grover]

have to trade knights and ive narrowed it down to two options that i cant pick between

1. Straight swaps for Judd

2. Knights for Hadley and Leunberger for Kreuzer

 

[nooB]

B: Hodge, Cornes, Scotland, Adcock, Houlihan, Petrenko, Suban (Raines, Hill)
C: Gibbs, Judd, K Cornes, Selwood, Rich, Hasleby (Beams, Anthony)
R: Cox, Kreuzer (Jacobs, Spencer)
F: Pavlich, Deledio, Franklin, B Johsnon, Higgins, Skipworth, Ziebell (M Brown, Ballantyne)

Hill, Anthony > Cheney, Robinson

Thoughts?

 

[adam10]

have to trade knights and ive narrowed it down to two options that i cant pick between

1. Straight swaps for Judd

2. Knights for Hadley and Leunberger for Kreuzer

Hadley = Kelly last year

 

[senrulzisback]

I think i have finally made up my mind:

Westhoff -------> Skipworth

Raines -------> Ellis

I really don't want to get rid of Westhoff but I need Skipworth before his price goes up.

 

[Haydos]

B: Hodge, Cornes, Scotland, Adcock, Houlihan, Petrenko, Suban (Raines, Hill)
C: Gibbs, Judd, K Cornes, Selwood, Rich, Hasleby (Beams, Anthony)
R: Cox, Kreuzer (Jacobs, Spencer)
F: Pavlich, Deledio, Franklin, B Johsnon, Higgins, Skipworth, Ziebell (M Brown, Ballantyne)

Hill, Anthony > Cheney, Robinson

Thoughts?

Anthony to Robinson is a trade I can understand.

Hill to Cheney I dont. Everything Harvey has been saying has indicated that Hill will keep on playing despite his first 2 games. There is nothing that I have read or heard that indicated Cheney is likely to be worth more money then Hill in say 7-8 weeks when you will be looking to offload these rookies.

For all we know, Cheney will get dropped next week.

 

[Sergian]

I'm completely torn on what to do with Bock. I am copping a zero if I don't trade him but if it turns out to be a one week thing the I'll be furious with myself for jumping the gun. Thinking Bock down to Ellis, then Raines up to Houlihan. This means I have Petrenko in my 22 but Hill is on the bench, which at this point is preferable as I expect him to keep playing but without scoring highly. I am loathe to do a sideways trade but the thought of a zero is haunting me.

 

[Jonny27]

Ok, Hentshel is out, should i get either Walker, Garlett, Ziebell or Darcy Daniher??

 

[senrulzisback]

Okay, I just changed my mind about my trades again.

Now I'm thinking:

Westhoff ------> Skipworth (Lock in, will do 100%)

Then with Petrenko having a breakeven of -60, if he gets about 60 like he usually does, will he be around the same price as Raines? Because if he is, I will get Ellis for him, therefore strengthening my backline.

 

[Haydos]

Okay, I just changed my mind about my trades again.

Now I'm thinking:

Westhoff ------> Skipworth (Lock in, will do 100%)

Then with Petrenko having a breakeven of -60, if he gets about 60 like he usually does, will he be around the same price as Raines? Because if he is, I will get Ellis for him, therefore strengthening my backline.

You plan on trading Petrenko out next week?
Mind = blown

 

[SandyMcManus]

Ok gentlemen, making a change.

Choice between Petrenko and Cheney? They are going to have to log some games on the field as well, probably 2 or 3.

Who's the best bet for point scoring and who's the best bet for job security?

 

[Haydos]

Ok, Hentshel is out, should i get either Walker, Garlett, Ziebell or Darcy Daniher??

Of those options I would probably take Ziebell.

 

[stuart27]

Ok gentlemen, making a change.

Choice between Petrenko and Cheney? They are going to have to log some games on the field as well, probably 2 or 3.

Who's the best bet for point scoring and who's the best bet for job security?

Point scoring ability = Petrenko
Job Security = Very similar, both players' spots are at risk from players returning from injury, but i'd be leaning ever so slightly towards Petrenko.

If you have a choice I'd go Petrenko.

I, for one, don't have a choice. Cheney it is.

 

[oddsok]

If I trade in Cheney for Hill I pocket ~$60,000 and if Cheney scores 50ish he will rise ~$40,000, which is a net gain of $100,000. I’m just wondering if it is worth the trade, even though I'm probably only going to have Hill on the bench with Rance and Suban starting. Right now I’m thinking it is, but I’ll wait to see the teams.

 

[blaisee]

have lade ,

want to trade him for


Jolly, Mcintoch, fraser or Kruezer


Thoughts?

 

[lmaohelp]

like the guy further up , im lookin to get rid of hentchel is it worth it ?

and i have zeibell so out of the others , who is best ?