2010 All-Australian Team (Part 2)

[AG]

Aussie Gun why do you have so many players going in and out based on round 22? It is no more relevant that round 6. Can you remember who played well in round 6? No. Make your judgements based on feel for the season and maybe check some stats to back things up a little.

Not sure what you mean. I've done the same thing the past two years. I have made changes practically every week but because it's the final squad I might be double checking more players than usual. I'll only make a few changes in the squad (two of those are probably forced with Fletcher and Brown missing too many games imo). Even then I think Fletcher has probably had a better season than Morris. It's just that sort of thing I'm tossing up. I understand perfectly that it is based on 22 rounds.

 

[StringyDog]

B: Fisher, Malceski, Lake, Fletcher, Gilbert, Goddard, Enright, Taylor, Frawley, Rawlings, O'Brien, Harbrow

M: Ablett, Swan, Montagna, Hayes, Cooney, Selwood, Kelly, Pendlebury, Boyd, Mundy, Hodge, Griffen, Judd, Sandilands, Jamar, Hudson

F: Hall, Green, Franklin, Pavlich, LeCras, Chapman, Didak, J.Riewoldt, S.Johnson, Goodes, Harvey, D.Thomas

B: - Enright - Lake - Gilbert
HB: Goddard (vc)- Taylor - O'Brien
C: Ablett - Selwood - Pendlebury
HF: Chapman - Franklin - Didak
F: Green - J.Riewoldt - Hall
R: Sandilands - Hodge (c) - Swan
INT: Hayes - Montagna - Cooney - LeCras

E: Malceski Judd Harvey Jamar

 

[HeHateMe]

here is my All Australian team:

B: Harry O'Brien, Brian Lake, James Frawley
HB: Brendon Goddard, Harry Taylor, Nick Malceski
C: Alan Didak, Luke Hodge, Joel Selwood
HF: Brad Green, Lance Franklin, Paul Chapman
F: Mark Lecras, Jack Riewoldt, Barry Hall
Foll: Aaron Sandilands, Gary Ablett, Dane Swan
INT: Mark Jamar, Matthew Boyd, Scott Pendlebury, David Mundy

 

[robertg22]

B: O'Brien Lake Frawley
HB: Enright Taylor Goddard
C: Chapman Swan Hodge
HF: Ablett Franklin Didak
F: Green J Riewoldt LeCras
R: Sandilands Pendlebury Selwood
I: Montagna Gilbert Hayes Pavlich

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

It was probably the best season of his career, but he didn't deserve AA.

Franklin and Richo were both better that year, and in much lesser sides.

No, they weren't.

 

[Chewy]

This is my final crack at a team, thought about it a fair bit:

Frawley Lake O'Brien
Goddard Taylor Hodge
Pendlebury Hayes Montagna
Didak Franklin Chapman
Green J.Riewoldt Hall
Ruck: Sandilands Ablett Swan
Inter: Judd Boyd Deledio Selwood

Considered these for a long time but couldn't fit them in:
Swallow, Fletcher, Dal Santo, Harvey, Thomas, LeCras, S.Johnson.

Happy to hear comments.

It doesn't seem to matter how often or how many Hawthorn fans correct people, but other people keep on naming Hodge at half back. I don't get this. Hodge has not played in defence this season. He plays in the centre. He will be named centre, ruck rover, rover, wing or bench.

Ablett is more of a chance for the half forward flank than Hodge is for the half back flank

From your team, I'd shift Lenny Hayes to the bench and Brett Deledio to half back (or bring in Sam Gilbert) Or if we must name another gun midfielder at half back, then why not Matthew Boyd? Gilbert to the back pocket ahead of Harry O'Brien

I think Pendlebury will be named, but perhaps on the bench. I think it is more likely they will name Selwood and Judd in the starting XVIII ahead of Pendlebury and Joey Montagna

Swan has been leading possession getter in 2010, but i think he is more noted for his running power than his actual clearance work, so for this reason, I would name him first, but on the wing and have the likes of Hodge, Selwood, Judd, Hayes, Boyd, or even Pendles as the centre square players. (edit: I just saw that Swan is 3rd for clearances! Haha, shows how much I know)

Has Montagna been that consistently good in 2010? I know he is a good player, but is he AA worthy in 2010?

I don't believe Green or Hall are worthy of All Australian selection. I don't rate either as among the best 22 players of 2010. Both have been good, but neither player has been outstanding.

Perhaps I'm wong about Green because I never really rated him as highly as others do. I think he is a bit soft, an outside player, pretty to watch, but doesn't really hit in hard or tackle hard. He has been very consistent in 2010. I wil give him that - consistently good, but not consistently very good. I'd prefer Lecras to Green.

Barry Hall has played a number of ordinary games in 2010. In my opinion, if he is selected, it will be one of the worst ever All Australian selections. The Coleman Medal should not automatically ensure a player is selected in the All-Australian team. I hate that accepted "wisdom". In Barry Hall's case, people want to automatically select a full forward simply because he finished 2nd in the Coleman Medal, just a few goals behind Jack Riewoldt.

Neither of those full forwards was outstanding in 2010. Both of them were merely adequate. Just 3.5 goals per game. They both had a handful of great games, a handful of good games and a bunch of ordinary games. In Jack Riewoldt's defence, he was hindered by playing for a struggling team and suffered from poor supply - mostly long bombs from a scrappy cellar-dweller. JR has been the best full forward in a bad year for forwards, so there's no need to name both.

Hall averaged 3.5 goals per game, but he did very little else. His tackling, one-percenters and number of possessions are well below that of other forwards. Even his contested marks are well below most of the good key fowards. He's a finisher - he doesn't set up very much play. Was spoon fed by the Dogs, but he rarely dominated.

If Barry Hall gets named, it will be a mistake. He may have kicked 70 odd goals - a similar tally to his best years (2003-2006) but he has played closer to goal, received more supply, posted half the number of possessions and tackles and been half as influential as he was in those halcyon days.

 

[TassieSaint]

B: Eright Lake Gilbert
HB: Malceski Taylor Goddard
C: Montagna Hayes Hodge
HF: Chapman Franklin Didak
F: Johnson Riewoldt Green
R: Sandilands Ablett Swan

Int: Selwood Judd Boyd Pavlich

 

[Dr Awkward]

It doesn't seem to matter how often or how many Hawthorn fans correct people, but other people keep on naming Hodge at half back. I don't get this. Hodge has not played in defence this season. He plays in the centre. He will be named centre, ruck rover, rover, wing or bench.

Ablett is more of a chance for the half forward flank than Hodge is for the half back flank

From your team, I'd shift Lenny Hayes to the bench and Brett Deledio to half back (or bring in Sam Gilbert) Or if we must name another gun midfielder at half back, then why not Matthew Boyd? Gilbert to the back pocket ahead of Harry O'Brien

I think Pendlebury will be named, but perhaps on the bench. I think it is more likely they will name Selwood and Judd in the starting XVIII ahead of Pendlebury and Joey Montagna

Swan has been leading possession getter in 2010, but i think he is more noted for his running power than his actual clearance work, so for this reason, I would name him first, but on the wing and have the likes of Hodge, Selwood, Judd, Hayes, Boyd, or even Pendles as the centre square players. (edit: I just saw that Swan is 3rd for clearances! Haha, shows how much I know)

Has Montagna been that consistently good in 2010? I know he is a good player, but is he AA worthy in 2010?

I don't believe Green or Hall are worthy of All Australian selection. I don't rate either as among the best 22 players of 2010. Both have been good, but neither player has been outstanding.

Perhaps I'm wong about Green because I never really rated him as highly as others do. I think he is a bit soft, an outside player, pretty to watch, but doesn't really hit in hard or tackle hard. He has been very consistent in 2010. I wil give him that - consistently good, but not consistently very good. I'd prefer Lecras to Green.

Barry Hall has played a number of ordinary games in 2010. In my opinion, if he is selected, it will be one of the worst ever All Australian selections. The Coleman Medal should not automatically ensure a player is selected in the All-Australian team. I hate that accepted "wisdom". In Barry Hall's case, people want to automatically select a full forward simply because he finished 2nd in the Coleman Medal, just a few goals behind Jack Riewoldt.

Neither of those full forwards was outstanding in 2010. Both of them were merely adequate. Just 3.5 goals per game. They both had a handful of great games, a handful of good games and a bunch of ordinary games. In Jack Riewoldt's defence, he was hindered by playing for a struggling team and suffered from poor supply - mostly long bombs from a scrappy cellar-dweller. JR has been the best full forward in a bad year for forwards, so there's no need to name both.

Hall averaged 3.5 goals per game, but he did very little else. His tackling, one-percenters and number of possessions are well below that of other forwards. Even his contested marks are well below most of the good key fowards. He's a finisher - he doesn't set up very much play. Was spoon fed by the Dogs, but he rarely dominated.

If Barry Hall gets named, it will be a mistake. He may have kicked 70 odd goals - a similar tally to his best years (2003-2006) but he has played closer to goal, received more supply, posted half the number of possessions and tackles and been half as influential as he was in those halcyon days.

Good post, you seem to have pointed to a few flaws in my team. I agree with you on Barry Hall, he hasn't been that good. But the only direct competition I have with him is Le Cras who has had a pretty similar year to Hall really. What other forward would you have? I don't feel SJ has done enough. LeCras is one of my favourites but I have him just below Hall on impact. Definately a weak point in the team though. J.Riewoldt is non-negotiable. Provided the whole package for a KPF, great work rate, goal kicking, marking up the ground, did everything really.

Hodge should probably be in the middle but I would like to have more mids in my team and he is a good option as a mid who can play at half back. If its ok to put a mid in the fwd line I don't see why not at half back? I don't really see how Boyd at HB is a better option than Hodge.

I really rate Montagna so disagree with you there.

Green is very borderline. Could easily be swapped with LeCras, not 100% on that one.

Judd will probably be starting 18 yes.

 

[Eth]

Squad is normally announced tomorrow. Or Wednesday.

It'll be Wednesday, because aren't they announcing the Rising Star that day?

 

[Thommo 42]

It doesn't seem to matter how often or how many Hawthorn fans correct people, but other people keep on naming Hodge at half back. I don't get this. Hodge has not played in defence this season. He plays in the centre. He will be named centre, ruck rover, rover, wing or bench.

Doesn't matter. They like to squeeze as many midfielders into the team as possible every year, so blokes that have played a role at some point - they use that as excuse. Or they just make crazy decisions to fit blokes in. How often have you seen Dane Swan play on the HFF? Yet that is where he was named in 2009

 

[AG]

Chewy not many forwards have been good so you while in any other year your points would be valid, the fact is most of them have had similar years.

Franklin, Ablett and Didak have been excellent. Riewoldt has had a few flat spots but is obviously the choice for FF. Green has been the most consistent of the others and I think you are underrating him a fair bit. Then it's SJ/LeCras and Hall. Flip a coin.....that has three sides.

 

[StringyDog]

Hall averaged 3.5 goals per game, but he did very little else. His tackling, one-percenters and number of possessions are well below that of other forwards. Even his contested marks are well below most of the good key fowards. He's a finisher - he doesn't set up very much play. Was spoon fed by the Dogs, but he rarely dominated.

He has taken more contested marks than the likes of Pavlich and Franklin , his 1%'s are only slightly behind the other key forwards and has had more goal assists than anyone in top10 goalkickers besides S.Johnson. I don't think he is automatic selection but you have skewed too far in other direction and are grossly underating his year.

 

[giantsully]

Won't shock me if there are no Swans this year, but if I could put my red & white glasses on for a moment, I'd like to nominate Heath Grundy rather than Harry Taylor for CHB. I have no stats or other supporting evidence, but just seems to me that Reg has scarcely played a bad game this year, always takes the #1 forward and has had a cracking finish to the year - not sure if you could say all of these things about Taylor.

Hopelessly biased of course but the AFL isn't over-burdened by great CHBs and Reg is now in the very solid category. What do others think?

 

[matty p]

My 2010 team:

B: O'Brien - Lake - Frawley
HB: Deledio - Taylor - Goddard
C: Pendlebury - Selwood - Montagna
HF: Chapman - Franklin - Ablett
F: Didak - J. Riewoldt - Hall
R: Sandilands - Hodge - Swan
I: Hayes - Judd - Green - K. Jack

 

[Dr Awkward]

My 2010 team:

B: O'Brien - Lake - Frawley
HB: Deledio - Taylor - Goddard
C: Pendlebury - Selwood - Montagna
HF: Chapman - Franklin - Ablett
F: Didak - J. Riewoldt - Hall
R: Sandilands - Hodge - Swan
I: Hayes - Judd - Green - K. Jack

Yeah nice. Probably even better than my team. I rate Jack very highly but I don't think you can have him ahead of Boyd who has been outstanding this year imo.

 

[crownie]

B: Fisher, Malceski, Lake, Fletcher, Gilbert, Goddard, Enright, Taylor, Frawley, Rawlings, O'Brien, Harbrow

M: Ablett, Swan, Montagna, Hayes, Cooney, Selwood, Kelly, Pendlebury, Boyd, Mundy, Hodge, Griffen, Judd, Sandilands, Jamar, Hudson

F: Hall, Green, Franklin, Pavlich, LeCras, Chapman, Didak, J.Riewoldt, S.Johnson, Goodes, Harvey, D.Thomas

B: - Enright - Lake - Gilbert
HB: Goddard (vc)- Taylor - O'Brien
C: Ablett - Selwood - Pendlebury
HF: Chapman - Franklin - Didak
F: Green - J.Riewoldt - Hall
R: Sandilands - Hodge (c) - Swan
INT: Hayes - Montagna - Cooney - LeCras

E: Malceski Judd Harvey Jamar

Boyd and Cross have had far better seasons

 

[Dr Awkward]

Riewoldt has had a few flat spots .

Not that it really matters because everyone is going to pick him anyway but I would actually like to dispell this notion that J.Riewoldt has been up and down this year. I've watched him pretty closely and he has been consistently great all year.

He only played one goalless game for the year and got above 60 DT points 18 out of 22 games. He had a very high number of tackles for the whole year and didnt play one game with 0 tackles, which you couldn't say about many other FF's. Was consistently working hard up the ground presenting and taking a lot of marks and winning a lot of contests. There were not many games for the year where he didn't have an impact.

 

[crownie]

I agree with you on Barry Hall, he hasn't been that good.

was one of the few dogs that played well when the team wasn't. had a few flat spots due to body soreness.

i think its 50/50 weather he will get picked, i wouldnt be suprised if he doesn't but at the same time he deserves his AA if he does.

 

[crownie]

Barry Hall has played a number of ordinary games in 2010. In my opinion, if he is selected, it will be one of the worst ever All Australian selections.

no one will ever take that title away from Campbell Brown

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

It doesn't seem to matter how often or how many Hawthorn fans correct people, but other people keep on naming Hodge at half back. I don't get this. Hodge has not played in defence this season. He plays in the centre. He will be named centre, ruck rover, rover, wing or bench.

Ablett is more of a chance for the half forward flank than Hodge is for the half back flank

In the Hawthorn games I've seen, Hodge has been back, forward and in the middle. I'm sure he's spent most of his dtime in the middle, but don't forget Dane Swan was named on the HFF last year after playing the whole year in the middle. We'll find out soon, but I think Hodge is a chance to be named in the backline for the sake of naming more midfielders.

Perhaps I'm wong about Green because I never really rated him as highly as others do. I think he is a bit soft, an outside player, pretty to watch, but doesn't really hit in hard or tackle hard. He has been very consistent in 2010. I wil give him that - consistently good, but not consistently very good. I'd prefer Lecras to Green.

Before more people jump down my throat, Mark LeCras is a good player, but he makes Brad Green look like Joel Selwood. LeCras barely lays more than 1 tackle a game. He's a great goalkicker, but needs to work on his defensive side.

 

[Chewy]

no one will ever take that title away from Campbell Brown

Campbell Brown was flat-out brilliant in 2007, probably the Defender of the Year. He played CHB at various stages and blanketed the likes of Scotty Lucas and Mathew Pavlich. Played tall and played small and was simply ferocious.

It was customary for All-Australian selectors to name only the freewheeling, skilful, loose-checking, rebounding defenders, so it was very nice to see them reward a true defensive hard nut who actually defended (as well as get the ball)

The Hawks were in the top four for most of the year (slipped to 5th after round 21) and Campbell Brown missed winning Hawthorn's best and fairest by a vote. Brad Sewell played better in our two finals and got him in the last game of the year. Finals don't count towards All-Australian selection, and Campbell Brown was our best player of the 2007 home & away.

So you are talking out of your arse.

Maybe you look at him and think he isn't the greatest player to have been made an All-Australian. But this is besides the point. In 2007, Brown was wholly deserving and not many people argued otherwise. Just a handful of misguided North fans who wanted Daniel Pratt to be named. Besides, Adam McPhee fluked an All Australian selection after his sensational 2004 season and he has since proved to be an utter shit truck. So you are wrong on all counts...

It will be very, very interesting to see where Barry Hall places in the Bulldogs best and fairest voting. At a rough guess, I'd say he'll finish behind Boyd, Lake, Cross, Cooney, Griffen, Harbrow and Hudson.

 

[Chewy]

In the Hawthorn games I've seen, Hodge has been back, forward and in the middle. I'm sure he's spent most of his time in the middle.

In the Carlton games I've seen, Chris Judd has been back, forward and in the middle.

In the Collingwood games I've seen, Dane Swan has been back, forward and in the middle.

This is what on-ballers do.

Why is Hodge classified as a "half back" when he follows the play down to one end of the ground?

In previous seasons, Luke Hodge played a clearly defined defensive role in the back half for a whole month (like Gibbs in 2010, but 10 times better) or he has pinch-hit as full forward for the occasional game, or quarter.

In 2010, Hodge has played on the ball all season long. He even played in the ruck against North Melb when we had no one else.

 

[matty p]

Yeah nice. Probably even better than my team. I rate Jack very highly but I don't think you can have him ahead of Boyd who has been outstanding this year imo.

Thanks Doc. Yeah, that last spot on the bench could've gone to so many different players. I chose Jack because I think he's been a little more damaging than players like Boyd, Cooney, Mundy, Thomas, Griffen etc, but I wouldn't really be surprised if Boyd makes it in.

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

In the Carlton games I've seen, Chris Judd has been back, forward and in the middle.

In the Collingwood games I've seen, Dane Swan has been back, forward and in the middle.

This is what on-ballers do.

No need to be an smart arse, champ. All I'm saying is when I've watched, Hodge has spent big chunks (whole quarters) of time outside the middle, usually when he is being tagged.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Would love to see Rawlings get a back pocket spot. Has had an outstanding year and has barely been beaten, not to mention 28 touches a game too.