Mega Thread 2011/12 Trade/Draft/Delist Megathread - Mid-Trade-Week edition

[Bacchus]

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There is no doubting his talent, he has a prodigious leap and good hands both overhead and in front of his body. His main downside as a junior when at Trinity was his tendency to be lazy and this was a problem at the Bulldogs. Did you know that he's a first cousin of Ashley Sampi who as you no doubt remember also had that problem.

Might have heard something about the Sampi connection. I was very disappointed to see what happened to Sampi. We would be a much more potent team now if we still had him. Had the x-factor that we don't have much of. I don't know the details but I wondered what happened with Sampi, i.e. whether he was managed correctly. I remember clearly that a certain Robert Walls was going about how lazy he was in his TV dirges and wondered how this might influence the thinking of other people. I could imagine that Sampi would have been pretty disappointed to miss the GF win in '06.

I think Hill is worth a punt, possibly people have learnt more now.

 

[INSANE]

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I like Lycett, like everyone, but we overrate the shit out of him here IMO.

If he ends up as good as Clark, I'll be pleasantly surprised. Clark, as a ruckman at least, is ****ing quality. Lycett is an unknown.

I'll be surprised if he isn't better than Clark. Will be a far better forward imo, and a genuine ruck too when needed. Clark seems athletic and all, but as a forward he's average and as a ruckman he's average too......

I think Clark is overrated.

 

[Scooter#10]

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I'll be surprised if he isn't better than Clark. Will be a far better forward imo, and a genuine ruck too when needed. Clark seems athletic and all, but as a forward he's average and as ruckman he's around average.

I think Clark is overrated.

Very much agree with this. I never wanted Clark to come to WCE. Overrated in my opinion. I rate Lycett much higher

 

[Forward Press]

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Ugh Josh Hill.

This may backfire spectacularly. I hope the recruitment department know what they're doing.

 

[gurncentral]

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Very much agree with this. I never wanted Clark to come to WCE. Overrated in my opinion. I rate Lycett much higher

Based on what? Fair enough that Clark doesn't fill a need for us. But, on exposed form, he is streets ahead of Lycett. It's not even a competition - Lycett's barely played!

 

[INSANE]

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Based on what? Fair enough that Clark doesn't fill a need for us. But, on exposed form, he is streets ahead of Lycett. It's not even a competition - Lycett's barely played!

On exposed form Mark Blake would be streets ahead I guess too. I rate Lycett a shit load higher than him.

I rate Lycetts football ability higher than Clark too.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

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I'll be surprised if he isn't better than Clark. Will be a far better forward imo, and a genuine ruck too when needed. Clark seems athletic and all, but as a forward he's average and as a ruckman he's average too......

I think Clark is overrated.

He did alright as a ruck in 2009. True, he's not the best player in the AFL but he's more than handy and paired with Kennedy in the forward line he'd cause headaches IMO. Plus his versatility is to die for.

Anyhow, I don't know how much of Lycett people have seen before going off about him (I'm not suggesting that of anyone specific, just saying in general).

 

[Eastern Rangers]

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Based on what? Fair enough that Clark doesn't fill a need for us. But, on exposed form, he is streets ahead of Lycett. It's not even a competition - Lycett's barely played!

I don't want Clark for one reason and one reason alone. He's a rubbish full time forward, he was Brisbane's number one tall forward for most of 2011 and kicked a massive 27 goals. I know they had no other targets but what's being suggest is that he takes over from Lynch.

2009 was his best season. He had over 500 hitouts and should have really kicked on in 2010/11 to become one of the premier ruckmen in the comp.

If we pick up where does he play in 2012? Id love him if Cox was retiring and we needed a ruck to work with Naitanui. We don't and we have Lycett developing in the WAFL.

 

[gurncentral]

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On exposed form Mark Blake would be streets ahead I guess too. I rate Lycett a shit load higher than him.

I rate Lycetts football ability higher than Clark too.

Have you watched Lycett play WAFL?

 

[INSANE]

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He did alright as a ruck in 2009. True, he's not the best player in the AFL but he's more than handy and paired with Kennedy in the forward line he'd cause headaches IMO. Plus his versatility is to die for.

Anyhow, I don't know how much of Lycett people have seen before going off about him (I'm not suggesting that of anyone specific, just saying in general).

I've seen him twice on T.V in the WAFL, twice at the Champs (live) and his debut (at the game). Not that much, but I know he's a great athlete, I know he can obviously play and since being drafted all I hear is how driven/competitive he is and how hard he trains etc.

Obviously you can see I rate him very highly.

 

[gurncentral]

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I've seen him twice on T.V in the WAFL, twice at the Champs (live) and his debut (at the game). Not that much, but I know he's a great athlete, I know he can obviously play and since being drafted all I hear is how driven/competitive he is and how hard he trains etc.

Obviously you can see I rate him very highly.

Fair enough. I hope that all translates to AFL level

 

[INSANE]

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Fair enough. I hope that all translates to AFL level

Yeah so do I....He'd better, I just hyped the crap out of him....

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

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I don't want Clark for one reason and one reason alone. He's a rubbish full time forward, he was Brisbane's number one tall forward for most of 2011 and kicked a massive 27 goals. I know they had no other targets but what's being suggest is that he takes over from Lynch.

2009 was his best season. He had over 500 hitouts and should have really kicked on in 2010/11 to become one of the premier ruckmen in the comp.

If we pick up where does he play in 2012? Id love him if Cox was retiring and we needed a ruck to work with Naitanui. We don't and we have Lycett developing in the WAFL.

It's hard to argue with what you're saying but I want to make some notes to illustrate that it's not as cut and dry as that.

1. Yes, he only kicked 27 goals but he played just 17 games. 1.6 goals per game isn't too bad; for 22 games it's 35 goals.

We only had 2 players kick more than 1.6 goals per game (LeCras and Kennedy - Nicoski kicked 1.6).

Also, Brisbane won just 4 games. Hard to kick goals when your team sucks.

2. RE: Kicking on as a ruckman, I think Clark was probably a victim of Brisbane having Luey, who couldn't play forward as well as Clark can. Hence, Luey got the ruck and Clark drew the short straw.

Granted, Clark would have to be a back up ruck with us in the long term as well.

3. I reckon we'll need Clark for when Cox and Lynch leave us. I'm not completely sold on Lycett yet. Perhaps I'm the only one

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

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For the record, I don't think we have the spare parts to get Clark.

 

[Scooter#10]

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Based on what? Fair enough that Clark doesn't fill a need for us. But, on exposed form, he is streets ahead of Lycett. It's not even a competition - Lycett's barely played!

I know that not many will agree with me. That is fine. I honestly don't see what the hype is with Clark.

I rate Lycett higher as I believe he has the greater potential of the two. From what I have seen in the WAFL, I believe he can be an incredible player for us. A fantastic mark, great leap, not afraid to crash a contest, very creative, footy smarts and great below his knees. His rucking needs work, yes, but I think we can provide him with the best teacher in Cox. (His ruck work isn't terrible, before he was drafted he was reported to have very good hands in the ruck.) He will take a few years to develop. Patience is the key with all big men.

I see Lycett as more of a 'footballer' and Clark as an 'athlete'. I believe that when he takes over from Cox, we will once again have that ruck balance of footballer/athlete with Lycett/Naitanui. Yes I do believe that Cox is more a footballer than athlete

Like I said, these are my opinions. You can flame me all you want for them, but I stick by them.

 

[gurncentral]

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I don't have a firm opinion on Lycett. I don't think we've seen enough of him at AFL level to know how he'll go, that's all. He carries more uncertainty than does Clark.

It's all moot, anyway - can't see us getting Clark.

 

[WCEkirsty]

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I don't have a firm opinion on Lycett. I don't think we've seen enough of him at AFL level to know how he'll go, that's all. He carries more uncertainty than does Clark.

It's all moot, anyway - can't see us getting Clark.

neither, seems to me all along its been the dockers in the box seat to get him

tbh, never thought it would work, we would have to most probably give up a player, plus a decent draft pick

if anything, us apparently being interested in him may have driven up his value slightly and helped out brisbane..

 

[The Passenger]

I hope it's not hill for koby.

Bulldogs get a ward replacement.

we get a hack

if we lost stevens for josh hill i'd bu absolutely gutted

 

[WCEkirsty]

anyone know what the bulldogs want for hill?

would have to be our second rounder at least

 

[DivideandMultiply]

anyone know what the bulldogs want for hill?

would have to be our second rounder at least

You are joking right?

If we gave up our second rounder the WB would be loling and I would be mad.

 

[September_Glory]

A third rounder, pick 50-60, would be fair value.

Completely fallen out of favour at Whitten Oval.

 

[kane249]

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Also didn't look out of place in our game vs the Bulldogs and also took a nice pluck during the game as well

 

[UpForGrabs]

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Hill showed plenty in his first couple of years at the Dogs. Has stagnated the last couple, probably issues with Eade, but he's no spud as far as raw talent, pace and goal kicking goes. Looked like a gun in his first year. Can you remember any Bullies' games when he first started?

Who knows this for sure? Maybe there were no issues, and the guy just didn't put in the hard yards, or maybe he's just not an AFL footballer.

 

[Bacchus]

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Who knows this for sure? Maybe there were no issues, and the guy just didn't put in the hard yards, or maybe he's just not an AFL footballer.

I don't know it, just guessing. He would seem to have the talent, perhaps not the attitude. IMO he's worth a punt, not much to lose and plenty to gain. Few (none?) players like him on the list ATM.

 

[Coast Guard]

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I don't know it, just guessing. He would seem to have the talent, perhaps not the attitude. IMO he's worth a punt, not much to lose and plenty to gain. Few (none?) players like him on the list ATM.

just as long as he's not the player that Port are offering to 'pull in' with pick 33 for Ebert.