2011 Ladder Predictions - Part 2

[Blue and Silver]

Yet you place a group of much more talented lists below them on the ladder. We're all biased, it's natural, but at least don't try to kid yourself.

Bit of hypocrisy there surely. Don't be biased, based upon your own perception of talent. What if you are wrong and some of the Carlton kids end up superstars and the guys you thought would rock it don't? If that is his opinion why refute simply based upon your own. Maybe introduce some analysis instead of just passing his prediction off as bias, or better yet, maybe don't assume you are the keenest eye for talent.

If you are offended by this, that is your prerogative, but all I mean to point out is that you shouldn't disregard an opinion based upon your own assumptions of indefinite things like "talent"

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Bit of hypocrisy there surely. Don't be biased, based upon your own perception of talent. What if you are wrong and some of the Carlton kids end up superstars

What if I am? What if Collingwood's top 8 players all do their knee before round 1? I'm basing this on what I've seen, not what ifs.

If that is his opinion why refute simply based upon your own.

What else should I be basing it on?

or better yet, maybe don't assume you
are the keenest eye for talent.

Every prediction in this thread is an assumption, no one knows anything. All I can go by is what I've seen of Carlton last year, and using that information I've come to the conclusion that they're not one of the top 4 teams in the league in terms of talent.

If you are offended by this, that is your prerogative

I'm not offended.

 

[Suma Magic]

1. Collingwood
2. St Kilda
3. Melbourne
4. Sydney
5. Western
6. North
7. Geelong
8. Hawthorn
9. Carlton
10. Adelaide
11. Fremantle
12. Essendon
13. Richmond
14. Power
15. West Coast
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane

 

[Bardo State]

1. Collingwood
2. St Kilda
3. Melbourne
4. Sydney
5. Western
6. North
7. Geelong
8. Hawthorn
9. Carlton
10. Adelaide
11. Fremantle
12. Essendon
13. Richmond
14. Power
15. West Coast
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane

Pretty much what I'm thinking. (Cept Hawks of course, can't help but be biased)

 

[Blue and Silver]

What if I am? What if Collingwood's top 8 players all do their knee before round 1? I'm basing this on what I've seen, not what ifs.



What else should I be basing it on?



Every prediction in this thread is an assumption, no one knows anything. All I can go by is what I've seen of Carlton last year, and using that information I've come to the conclusion that they're not one of the top 4 teams in the league in terms of talent.



I'm not offended.

I completely agree with the bolded the issue I had was the use of the word "talent".

I personally think that our list has an over abundance of potential players, which can be indicated by the density of top ten picks. If you do not think that we are as talented as others (which could quite likely be the truth) that is fine. For the sake of constructive debate, who are the more talented teams? Definitely Geelong and the Bulldogs are more likely to be successful next year, but I would contend that injuries make Fremantle contentious and I worry that Sydney still has too many older players in the best 22 for durability over the course of the season. Melbourne will need a replacement for Frawley, and I think will struggle for consistency due to a lack of experienced heads. The Crows have some big gaps with the departures of a host of veterans, top eight material in my mind though. North Melbourne lack a certain level of star power, if Andrew Swallow steps up might fill the gap, and they need to find a consistent target (maybe Hansen) going forward.

 

[jonesy86]

1. St Kilda
2. Western Bulldogs
3. Collingwood
4. Hawthorn
5. Carlton
6. Adelaide
7. Sydney
8. Geelong
9. Melbourne
10. Essendon
11. Fremantle
12. North Melbourne
13. Gold Coast
14. West Coast
15. Richmond
16. Port Adelaide
17. Brisbane

 

[SwanSational Syd]

Haven't got a clue really; but I'll have a stab at a prediction just for fun anyway.


Collingwood
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Sydney
Geelong
Fremantle
Melbourne
Adelaide
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Hawthorn
Essendon
Carlton
Port Adelaide
Richmond
Gold Coast
North Melbourne
West Coast
Brisbane

 

[nathan t]

1. StKilda
2. Western Bulldogs
3. Fremantle
4. Collingwood
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5. Sydney
6. Geelong
7. Essendon
8. Hawthorn
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9. Melbourne
10. Carlton
11. Richmond
12. West Coast
13. Adelaide
14. North Melbourne
15. Port Adelaide
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane

 

[The Speaker]

Collingwood
Western Bulldogs
Sydney
St Kilda
Geelong
Fremantle
Adelaide
Hawthorn
Carlton
North Melbourne
Melbourne
Essendon
Gold Coast
Port Adelaide
Brisbane
Richmond
West Coast

 

[ITS INYA BLOOD]

1 Collingwood Cant see anyone beating em all being equal
2 Stkilda Could be a repeat of a repeat
3 Western Bulldogs Best is good, close but no cigars
4 Hawks Could take the chocolates, injuries will be critical
5 Geelong Could be a slider how far will be seen
6 Essendon Only way is up
7 North Sure im biased, its my ladder
8 Carlton Anywhere 6-10
9 Adelaide Home turf could put em higher
10 Freo last year is exactly that
11 Melbourne like em on the up to, maybe fade late {next Year)
12 Sydney Due to dip i reckon
13 Richmond Nope
14 Port Plenty of effort but cant see it
15 West Coast No Bounce this year
16 Brisbane Too many Good players gone
17 Gold Coast No honeymoon on first Date


Cheers Charlie

 

[DaSawx]

Geelong
Western Bulldogs
St. Kilda
Hawthorn
Collingwood
Sydney
Fremantle
Carlton
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West Coast
North Melbourne
Essendon
Melbourne
Adelaide
Richmond
Gold Coast
Port Adelaide
Brisbane

 

[#14Ward]

I love people putting the same top 8, or bulldogs bottom 8, or bombers and north top 5.

1. Collingwood
2. Bulldogs
3. Carlton
4.St.Kilda
5.Hawthorn
6. Adelaide
7. Melbourne
8. Fremantle
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9. Geelong
10. Gold Coast
11. North Melbourne
12. Essendon
13. West Coast
14. Sydney
15. Richmond
16. Port Adelaide
17. Brisbane

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

1. Collingwood - Clever gameplan, but it will be unpicked
2. Bulldogs - good new additions, plus Higgins and Ward back from injury
3. Sydney - they have really classy young players
4. Geelong - new coach, new gameplan, they might slip lower
5. St Kilda - too much faith in recycled players, not enough good kids
6. Hawthorn - hard to place them
7. Essendon - much improvement with players maturing
8. Carlton - need to get rid of their coach - he has not delivered
9. Adelaide - injuries already starting
10. Melbourne
11. Fremantle
12. West Coast
13. Port Adelaide
14. Richmond
15. Gold Coast - could be higher
16. North Melbourne - injuries are not helping
17. Brisbane




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[The Speaker]

14. Fremantle - too many injuries, and poor preseason

I can see the reasoning, but...14th? Really?

 

[BrandonG]

I love people putting the same top 8, or bulldogs bottom 8, or bombers and north top 5.

1. Collingwood
2. Bulldogs
3. Carlton
4.St.Kilda
5.Hawthorn
6. Adelaide
7. Melbourne
8. Fremantle
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9. Geelong
10. Gold Coast
11. North Melbourne
12. Essendon
13. West Coast
14. Sydney
15. Richmond
16. Port Adelaide
17. Brisbane

one of the better looking ladders i have seen

 

[Godzke]

Still think we're in the "bottom 9, but not bottom 4" category. Here's to hoping I'm wrong though.

 

[harleyrules170]

17. Brisbane
16. Richmond
15. West Coast
14. Adelaide
13. Gold Coast
12. Essendon
11. Port Adelaide
10. North Melbourne
9. Sydney
8. Carlton
7. Geelong
6. Melbourne
5. Bulldogs
4. Fremantle
3. St Kilda
2. Hawthorn
1. Collingwood

 

[The Octopus]

Collingwood - Bugger!
W. Bulldogs - Cheer Ripe. Class everywhere.
Carlton - Ready to cotend. Yarran and Garlett stars.
Hawthorn - Ready to rock and Rioli
StKilda - See Geelong
Geelong - Sliding, but still have guns
Adelaide - I like them. On the rise. Good kids everywhere
Melbourne - On the rise, but slowly slowly

Kangaroos - Almost
Fremantle - Sliding.
Essendon - NAB heroes, real season mediocre
Sydney - Gutsy but on the slide
Port Adelaide - Duds
Gold Coast - Yablett to win hem a few
West Coast - Outside Ruck division...woeful
Richmond - 6 good players, 30 odd list cloggers
Brisbane - Shocking List

 

[Deep Blue]

17. Brisbane
16. Richmond
15. West Coast
14. Adelaide
13. Gold Coast
12. Essendon
11. Port Adelaide
10. North Melbourne
9. Sydney
8. Carlton
7. Geelong
6. Melbourne
5. Bulldogs
4. Fremantle
3. St Kilda
2. Hawthorn
1. Collingwood

Don't mind this ladder, most certainly though, Melbourne look 2-4 spaces higher than they should perhaps be, and Gold Coast will not finish higher than Adelaide or Richmond. From a biased perspective I'm expecting Carlton to obviously improve their position on the ladder this year and win 4-6 more games than last year - good chance to make 4th spot. Expect Essendon to just miss the eight on percentage.

 

[jonoman89]

My revised ladder

1. Collingwood
2. Hawthorn
3. Western Bulldogs
4. St Kilda
5. Carlton
6. Sydney
7. Geelong
8. Melbourne
9. Adelaide
10. North*
11. Port
12. Fremantle*
13. Essendon
14. Richmond
15. Gold Coast
16. West Coast
17. Brisbane

* Normally wold have been top 8, but injuries and bad pre-seasons make them narrowly miss IMO

 

[Bomberman86]

Don't mind this ladder, most certainly though, Melbourne look 2-4 spaces higher than they should perhaps be, and Gold Coast will not finish higher than Adelaide or Richmond. From a biased perspective I'm expecting Carlton to obviously improve their position on the ladder this year and win 4-6 more games than last year - good chance to make 4th spot. Expect Essendon to just miss the eight on percentage.

Which is about a reasonable assessment. Anybody who says Top 6 is deluded, anyone who says bottom 4 is equally deluded.

 

[theflea]

Collingwood - Bugger!
W. Bulldogs - Cheer Ripe. Class everywhere.
Carlton - Ready to cotend. Yarran and Garlett stars.
Hawthorn - Ready to rock and Rioli
StKilda - See Geelong
Geelong - Sliding, but still have guns
Adelaide - I like them. On the rise. Good kids everywhere
Melbourne - On the rise, but slowly slowly

Kangaroos - Almost
Fremantle - Sliding.
Essendon - NAB heroes, real season mediocre
Sydney - Gutsy but on the slide
Port Adelaide - Duds
Gold Coast - Yablett to win hem a few
West Coast - Outside Ruck division...woeful
Richmond - 6 good players, 30 odd list cloggers
Brisbane - Shocking List

im interested. can you name the 30 list cloggers please.

 

[Godzke]

im interested. can you name the 30 list cloggers please.

Not even Kenny could unclog that giant boghole at Punt Rd.

 

[SirJimi05]

A month ago just about everyone had Essendon as locks for bottom 2 or 3. Now nobody is putting them in the bottom 4. Why is this? Surely ppl aren't taking into account meaningless practice matches?

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

My revised ladder, definitely a bit out there.

1. Collingwood
2. Hawthorn
3. Western Bulldogs
4. St Kilda
5. Geelong
6. Sydney
7. Port Adelaide
8. Adelaide
9. Carlton
10. Fremantle
11. Melbourne
12. North Melbourne
13. Essendon
14. Richmond
15. Gold Coast
16. West Coast
17. Brisbane