2012 Draft wish list

[jedi mind tricks]

interesting info.... what u think is more important a potential quality mid or a potential quality KPF.

KPF are more risky i think.

 

[Seppo]

As it stands we have Picks 16, 37 and 56.

Will be interesting if these change with trade week and could get some pick upgrades if we offload a few guys.

Full list of picks here:
http://afl.to/QOj9RU

 

[theGav56]

Another great Emma Quayle article.

'Back then I thought I was fit and I thought I was working hard, but I wasn't doing anywhere near enough. I thought: 'OK, I'll do the bare minimum and be just as good as these other guys', when they were in there on their days off doing extra stuff to get even better. I didn't have the right attitude, which I hate to say, but it's the truth, and now that I've grown up a bit I have a much better work ethic and that's helped me get much fitter. Over time you realise that when it's late in the last quarter, you want to be the one still running and hitting your targets.''

The clubs that have interviewed Lee at this week's draft combine - Fremantle, Brisbane Lions, Geelong, Richmond, Melbourne and St Kilda - have all wanted to know the same things, and he hopes he has convinced them how serious he is.

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Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/after-staggering-lee-finds-his-feet-20121004-272as.html#ixzz28NKPvFpG​

Melbourne, Richmond are looking for the second tall, Brisbane will be interested if they don't get Tippett.​

Geelong looking for a replacement for there old 31 year old full forward (I forgot this name), and St Kilda looking for a replacement for Kosi and Riewoldt.​

Bloody hell i hope we trade with GWS and don't need to wait until the draft, someone will get him before our third round pick.​

Saints got Lee
Melbourne got Hogan

That should dilute their chances of going KPP in the 1st round

Cats have Mitch Brown and actually drafted 2 tall forwards last draft (Kersten and Hamling) and they also have Vardy as a developing Ruck/forward. They seem to be more interested in getting a KPD at this stage.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Saints got Lee
Melbourne got Hogan

That should dilute their chances of going KPP in the 1st round

Cats have Mitch Brown and actually drafted 2 tall forwards last draft (Kersten and Hamling) and they also have Vardy as a developing Ruck/forward. They seem to be more interested in getting a KPD at this stage.

who is that article about?

 

[chinggis77]

We will have to trade up to get any forward of worth.

Brisbane, Carlton and the Bulldogs are all desperate for a key forward and are all well before our pick. Shaw, Stringer and Jacksch won´t last past these three in my opinion.

 

[blue shark]

Dont discount Kpd's in the first round, Plowman and Clurey, Mcpharlin is just as important as Pavlich. If other clubs take Kpf's before us, then these guys will slide. Both have been compared style wise too Ben Reid by Knightmare, could be Hurley types, and even Jaksch was a backman first.

 

[Chris25]

I want this kid...

It's Brad Hartman from Sturt in the SANFL. He is a 189cm full forward. Just what we need, right?

He came second in the goal kicking in the SANFL U18s with 52 goals from just 18 games. But more importantly, he isn't limited to just playing from full forward. Some of his late season form when he got to run up the ground was unbelievable. In one three week stretch, he kicked 18 goals, 12 behinds and had 88 disposals. He even has a leap that allowed him to play in the ruck. I think he is almost a combination of Michael O'Loughlin and Shaun Burgoyne (when he played forward earlier in his career). Plus, he is only draft eligible by 6 weeks - so plenty of development to come.

There aren't many players like him in the AFL, so it's hard to say where he'll go. But it's looking like he'd be a late pick, or more likely a rookie selection. He could be anything though.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I want this kid...

It's Brad Hartman from Sturt in the SANFL. He is a 189cm full forward. Just what we need, right?

He came second in the goal kicking in the SANFL U18s with 52 goals from just 18 games. But more importantly, he isn't limited to just playing from full forward. Some of his late season form when he got to run up the ground was unbelievable. In one three week stretch, he kicked 18 goals, 12 behinds and had 88 disposals. He even has a leap that allowed him to play in the ruck. I think he is almost a combination of Michael O'Loughlin and Shaun Burgoyne (when he played forward earlier in his career). Plus, he is only draft eligible by 6 weeks - so plenty of development to come.

There aren't many players like him in the AFL, so it's hard to say where he'll go. But it's looking like he'd be a late pick, or more likely a rookie selection. He could be anything though.

sounds good... make the call

hey chris what si your thoughts on Membrey?

 

[Chris25]

Alright, cool. I'll just go and sign Hartman now then.

As for Membrey, I'm not as much of a fan as others. He is more of a Crameri than a Darling in my opinion, in that I think he will be somewhat limited to playing up forward. A number of recruiters wanted to see him play in the midfield this year, yet he still played as a forward for the most part - and I tend to think there is a reason for that. Don't think he quite has the skills or speed to play in the midfield. I like him as a third tall forward, and while he will likely go towards the end of the first round, I probably wouldn't go for him that early.

 

[rgauci]

Looking over our list I see a big mismatch:

Defenders (13):
McPharlin, Johnson, Duffield, Dawson, Ibbotson, Broughton, Spurr, McPhee, Suban, Forster, Roberton, Faulks, Silvagni,

Forwards (9):
Pavlich, Mayne, Ballantyne, Walters, Kepler, DeBoer, Mellington, Crozier, Anthony,

Midifielders (16):
Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe, Hill, Crowley, Pearce, Pearce, Mzungu, Sheridan, Neale, Crichton, Lower, Morabito, Michie, Pitt, Sutcliffe,

Rucks (4):
Sandilands, Griffin, Clarke, Moller

Now some players are multi position, Kepler could be considered more of a ruck, DeBoer more a midfielder which highlights my point even further. We are completely bereft of forwards of any shape or size. Our list has very few genuine forwards and players capable of putting goals on the board. An injury or two to our forwards and we are playing a very makeshift forwardline.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Looking over our list I see a big mismatch:

Defenders (13):
McPharlin, Johnson, Duffield, Dawson, Ibbotson, Broughton, Spurr, McPhee, Suban, Forster, Roberton, Faulks, Silvagni,

Forwards (8):
Pavlich, Mayne, Ballantyne, Walters, Kepler, DeBoer, Mellington, Crozier,

Midifielders (16):
Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe, Hill, Crowley, Pearce, Pearce, Mzungu, Sheridan, Neale, Crichton, Lower, Morabito, Michie, Pitt, Sutcliffe,

Rucks (4):
Sandilands, Griffin, Clarke, Moller

Crabs (1):
Anthony

Now some players are multi position, Kepler could be considered more of a ruck, DeBoer more a midfielder which highlights my point even further. We are completely bereft of forwards of any shape or size. Our list has very few genuine forwards and players capable of putting goals on the board. An injury or two to our forwards and we are playing a very makeshift forwardline.

Edited for Accuracy. Good post otherwise.

 

[rgauci]

Personally I'd draft a few talented forwards, could do with another Mayne or 2, Membrey, Hartman, Shaw, Menzel or whoever. Promote DeBoer to permanent midfielder, and reap the rewards.

 

[Freomaniac]

Obviously I hope that We get the right Key Forward and Key Backman to eventually replace Pav and MacPharlin. once we do that Our Squad is settled for the next few years.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Did a mock draft on our board and I got you guys.

How would you feel about...

Troy Menzel
Dean Towers
Nick Rodda
Spencer White

...as a combination of picks?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Did a mock draft on our board and I got you guys.

How would you feel about...

Troy Menzel
Dean Towers
Nick Rodda
Spencer White

...as a combination of picks?

I am bit concerned about Menzel's knee, but I am very happy with the other three.

If we did draft those players I would be happy overall.

I assume Shaw and Garlett was taken before pick 16?

 

[george2]

Did a mock draft on our board and I got you guys.

How would you feel about...

Troy Menzel
Dean Towers
Nick Rodda
Spencer White

...as a combination of picks?

Seems pretty good to me, i am a huge fan of Menzel though so might be a bit bias. I'm guessing that Shaw was already gone for the first pick though?

 

[Slattery_20]

interesting info.... what u think is more important a potential quality mid or a potential quality KPF.

KPF are more risky i think.

Surely Freo go after a KPF first.

Sheridan & Crozier will be coming through soon enough, got to keep that in mind. There's no standout forward prospect

 

[Slattery_20]

I want this kid...

It's Brad Hartman from Sturt in the SANFL. He is a 189cm full forward. Just what we need, right?

<snip>

There aren't many players like him in the AFL, so it's hard to say where he'll go. But it's looking like he'd be a late pick, or more likely a rookie selection. He could be anything though.

Where do you think he'd fit in? Has he got the defensive side to play forward flank, the engine to play wing? Has he played midfield at U18s level?

 

[Chris25]

Defensive pressure and his tank can both probably be improved. I think he'll always be a forward, as opposed to ever making the move into the midfield - but playing as a half forward who runs up the ground a bit isn't out of the question. Probably something along the lines of a Josh Hill type forward.

But because Josh Hill is hardly a glowing comparison, I'm going for a more athletic Michael O'Loughlin.

 

[Arcassius]

Looking over our list I see a big mismatch:

Defenders (14):
McPharlin, Johnson, Duffield, Dawson, Ibbotson, Broughton, Spurr, McPhee, Suban, Forster, Roberton, Faulks, Silvagni, Anthony

Forwards (8):
Pavlich, Mayne, Ballantyne, Walters, Kepler, DeBoer, Mellington, Crozier

Midifielders (16):
Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe, Hill, Crowley, Pearce, Pearce, Mzungu, Sheridan, Neale, Crichton, Lower, Morabito, Michie, Pitt, Sutcliffe,

Rucks (4):
Sandilands, Griffin, Clarke, Moller

Now some players are multi position, Kepler could be considered more of a ruck, DeBoer more a midfielder which highlights my point even further. We are completely bereft of forwards of any shape or size. Our list has very few genuine forwards and players capable of putting goals on the board. An injury or two to our forwards and we are playing a very makeshift forwardline.

To be fairer to Anthony ...

 

[Slattery_20]

Defensive pressure and his tank can both probably be improved. I think he'll always be a forward, as opposed to ever making the move into the midfield - but playing as a half forward who runs up the ground a bit isn't out of the question. Probably something along the lines of a Josh Hill type forward.

But because Josh Hill is hardly a glowing comparison, I'm going for a more athletic Michael O'Loughlin.

Fair enough. Never really know with kids like this, he'd probably be way better off if he'd demonstrated he can go into the midfield, it might well come down to his testing numbers whether a club takes a punt or not.

 

[Chris25]

Never really know with kids like this, he'd probably be way better off if he'd demonstrated he can go into the midfield.

Not necessarily.

If you're a natural forward, then that's all that should really matter. A lot of players are midfielders in their junior careers, but are forced to become forwards or defenders in the AFL - if I was drafting, I'd much rather take a specialist than someone who could maybe develop into what I want. It's like people saying that they should draft Membrey because he might become a good midfielder, why not just draft a good midfielder instead?

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Not necessarily.

If you're a natural forward, then that's all that should really matter. A lot of players are midfielders in their junior careers, but are forced to become forwards or defenders in the AFL - if I was drafting, I'd much rather take a specialist than someone who could maybe develop into what I want. It's like people saying that they should draft Membrey because he might become a good midfielder, why not just draft a good midfielder instead?

agree with this... thats why croad failed at freo and why clarke may... neither are natural forwards but have/had other great attributes in other areas. it takes a very special player to be profficient in multiple areas on the field. i.e fyfe. What usually happens is that player x is moved to another part of the ground, they are given a certain amount of time, they pay lip service to the media saying "I really think im not far away from good form or I enjoy playing up forward etc etc"... but after not playing well for a few weeks in a row, they lose confidence, the fans get restless. The player is dropped back to the wafl.. and by the end of the season they are a shadow of their former selves. A lot end up asking for trades.

I agree, why not just play players where they are most profficient. You dont want to be a one dimensional team with no players who can do a role if required, but you also want to maximise the output of all your players

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Seems pretty good to me, i am a huge fan of Menzel though so might be a bit bias. I'm guessing that Shaw was already gone for the first pick though?

I am bit concerned about Menzel's knee, but I am very happy with the other three.

If we did draft those players I would be happy overall.

I assume Shaw and Garlett was taken before pick 16?

Shaw was taken at 5 and Garlett at 12 from memory.

Don't think they'll go that early in the real thing.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Looking over our list I see a big mismatch:

Defenders (13):
McPharlin, Johnson, Duffield, Dawson, Ibbotson, Broughton, Spurr, McPhee, Suban, Forster, Roberton, Faulks (more than likely delisted), Silvagni,

Forwards (9):
Pavlich, Mayne, Ballantyne, Walters, Kepler, DeBoer, Mellington, Crozier, Anthony (Spud/delisted),

Midifielders (16):
Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe, Hill, Crowley, Pearce, Pearce, Mzungu, Sheridan, Neale, Crichton (Delist), Lower, Morabito, Michie, Pitt, Sutcliffe,

Rucks (4):
Sandilands, Griffin, Clarke, Moller

Now some players are multi position, Kepler could be considered more of a ruck, DeBoer more a midfielder which highlights my point even further. We are completely bereft of forwards of any shape or size. Our list has very few genuine forwards and players capable of putting goals on the board. An injury or two to our forwards and we are playing a very makeshift forwardline.

Rucks look good, Midfield looks good although you always want\need more.

Basically we need 1 KPF and 1KPD at least in this draft

I wouldnt mind getting both Hansen and Gumbleton if we could hang on to our first draft pick somehow

Then delist Anthony\ Faulks and Chricton and maybe Roberton for a 2nd\3rd rounder.

That would leave us 2 picks in the draft which we could draft 1 mid and 1 KP.