2012 Player X v Player Y

[swanton]

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cloke vs franklin

franklin is the proven gun with a few years of 90+ average, whereas cloke just had his first season of 90+

cloke has a really good fixture for the first half of the year, franklins first 4-5 games are against teams he usually struggles against

 

[Lemma]

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Daniel Kerr v. Shaun Burgoyne v. Tom Scully?

Personally I'm not gonna pick any of them. But out of those 3, I reckon Scully- I reckon he has the highest scoring potential, and imo looks to be over the knee injury although that is an ongoing concern. Finally, someone's got to get points for the Giants...don't they?
Also has maximum job security

 

[HolyRioli]

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Martin vs Zaharakis vs Lewis

Really struggling here

 

[Lemma]

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Martin

 

[spence]

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Martin vs Zaharakis vs Lewis

Really struggling here

Couldn't agree any more Holy Rioli, I can't decide!

Add Robinson and Sidebottom and it makes it even tougher. They will all improve their average, but who will average 105?

 

[Lemma]

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Honestly don't think this one is that hard
I'll rank them for you

1. Martin - gun. Lots of touches and tackles, and kicks 1-2 goals a game
2. Zaharakis - could be swapped with Robbo, only picked Zaha first because I can see him scoring more goals
3. Robinson
4. Sidebottom - good player but ceiling is no more than 85
5. Lewis - good player but too inconsistent for mine

 

[dewey13]

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Honestly don't think this one is that hard
I'll rank them for you

1. Martin - gun. Lots of touches and tackles, and kicks 1-2 goals a game
2. Zaharakis - could be swapped with Robbo, only picked Zaha first because I can see him scoring more goals
3. Robinson
4. Sidebottom - good player but ceiling is no more than 85
5. Lewis - good player but too inconsistent for mine

What is the Sidebottom ceiling figure based on, he's been know to crack three figures... think it's a pretty harsh assessment, no?

Robinson behind zaha, intriguing...

 

[Butler]

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Honestly don't think this one is that hard
I'll rank them for you

1. Martin - gun. Lots of touches and tackles, and kicks 1-2 goals a game
2. Zaharakis - could be swapped with Robbo, only picked Zaha first because I can see him scoring more goals
3. Robinson
4. Sidebottom - good player but ceiling is no more than 85
5. Lewis - good player but too inconsistent for mine

I don't think it's that easy tbh.

Martin- had him last year and watched a lot of Richmonds games. He is frustrating dream team wise.. Can score very quickly but goes missing for large chunks of the game. I picked him up after seeing Richmond use him in an Ablett type role ( easy kicks from running behind players on the mark) but that seemed to slow as the season went on. Of course he is likely to improve but still have doubts in my mind.

Zarharakis - similar to Martin except I have less of an idea because I didn't pick him last year. From what I have noticed, he can go missing for long spells as well. Does kick a heap of goals though and can score quickly. For the record he is currently my first picked out of that group, just.

Robinson- tackling machine that can put up some big scores but he is suicidal with his attack on the ball which concerns me regarding injuries/suspension.

Side bottom - apparently super fit and ready for more midfield time but with Swan, Pendles, Thomas, Ball etc etc already running through their midfield he isn't going to get the same minutes as Martin/Zaha.

Lewis - a roughy. Finals form was great and can score well. No chance of a tag and will be unique but he is inconsistent and seems like one of those players that could just as easily come out and average 70 odd for the year.

Everyone's opinion on them is different and mine regarding Martin is probably slightly affected by my frustration towards him last year but it's been a very tough choice for me so far between those.

 

[54Dogs]

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4. Sidebottom - good player but ceiling is no more than 85

lol

How can a 20 year old who averaged 87 last year and is getting more mid time this year have a lower ceiling?


That is ceiling you meant yeah? Not Base? As in ceiling being the highest possible average he could attain in 2012 if everything went perfectly.

 

[nameless]

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just some stats on those guys just from last year's stats - not incl finals.

Robinson only had 5 games under 80, all others had 8
Martin rarely has a real stinker
Lewis real bang or bust type.

Not sure what can really be taken away from this, as all should improve a bit...

100+ 80-100,60-80<60 High Low
Robinson 7 9 3 2 141 39
Martin 7 7 7 1 141 59
Zaharakis 9 5 5 3 133 42
Lewis 9 2 3 5 130 37
Sidebottom 6 8 5 3 128 52

edit: sorry if formatting has stuffed it up, hopefully it's legible.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

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Daniel Kerr v. Shaun Burgoyne v. Tom Scully?

All 3. You should do really well

 

[Lemma]

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What is the Sidebottom ceiling figure based on, he's been know to crack three figures... think it's a pretty harsh assessment, no?

Robinson behind zaha, intriguing...

lol

How can a 20 year old who averaged 87 last year and is getting more mid time this year have a lower ceiling?


That is ceiling you meant yeah? Not Base? As in ceiling being the highest possible average he could attain in 2012 if everything went perfectly.

Fair call. 85 is too low. Call it early 90s, I don't think he'll improve more than 4-5 pts. Still behind Martin, Zaha and Robbo for me.
Also I'd like to swap Robbo and Zaha, did mention in the original post that they were v close

 

[nameless]

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Fair call. 85 is too low. Call it early 90s, I don't think he'll improve more than 4-5 pts. Still behind Martin, Zaha and Robbo for me.
Also I'd like to swap Robbo and Zaha, did mention in the original post that they were v close

A player's ceiling is the highest he's expected to score in a single round...Sidebottom's is around 130.

I don't disagree with you though, I think the others will probably end up with a better avg.

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

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A player's ceiling is the highest he's expected to score in a single round...Sidebottom's is around 130.

I don't disagree with you though, I think the others will probably end up with a better avg.

No it's not... we talk in averages here.

A player's ceiling refers to their expected upper end average over the season.

 

[nameless]

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No it's not... we talk in averages here.

A player's ceiling refers to their expected upper end average over the season.

Ahh my bad, always thought it was maximum points.

 

[Irvin11]

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Cox/N. Riewoldt vs. Leuenberger/Zaharakis

 

[Lemma]

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Luey/Zaha.
I reckon N Roo's best days are behind him- and Zaha is a goal-kicking mid coming off a B+F year.
As for the rucks, there are plenty of great rucks atm, Luey, Jacobs, Mumford, Goldstein etc
Cox, while still a DT legend, is getting on- and so there is a risk he is slowing down and he is, imo, slightly overpriced. Having said that, he could come out and have a great season and I will happily eat humble pie.

 

[Keystone agony]

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No it's not... we talk in averages here.

A player's ceiling refers to their expected upper end average over the season.

Depends on your own definition

But i like the avg one, we always talk in avgs.

For me im probably a bit different to others.

1. Lewis/Martin
2. Martin/Lewis
3. Zaka/Robinson
4. Robinson Zaka
5. Sidebottom

Sidebottom has a pretty friendly draw to get him to his bye round. I think im picking all 5 (hehe), maybe just 4.

 

[cfx_1]

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Yeah i'm picking up all but Lewis. All 4 could potentially average 100+ this year and considering Franklin's start to the season, Fyfe's injury, Beams' price and Goodesy's age, SJ is the only "sure" thing.. But i think i will make him and Franklin my upgrade targets and hope i get a keeper out of Brown as my 7th forward.

 

[Prem87]

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Why no love for Reiwoldt? The Saints will be much better this year with an attacking game plan and Reiwoldt will again be their main target to kick most of their goals.

 

[cfx_1]

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Why no love for Reiwoldt? The Saints will be much better this year with an attacking game plan and Reiwoldt will again be their main target to kick most of their goals.

I think he's a good unique this year, but the last 2 years have put people off him.. Plus there are a plethora of other options at the same price that have more upside.

I have 2 questions..

1) Lueuy/Porps V SJ/Giles

2) Barlow V Hayes (obviously both risks... but who will average more and why?)

I have just enough to get Barlow but he burst onto the scene, broke his leg and came back last year for 9 games and only averaged 85. If one of them will be a top 10 mid its worth it.. If not, may as well invest the cash elsewhere.

I suppose then a follow up would be:

Rookie Mid-Lueuy-SJ V
Barlow/Hayes-Lueuy-Porps V
Barlow/Hayes-Giles/Big O-SJ

 

[nameless]

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I think he's a good unique this year, but the last 2 years have put people off him.. Plus there are a plethora of other options at the same price that have more upside.

I have 2 questions..

1) Lueuy/Porps V SJ/Giles

2) Barlow V Hayes (obviously both risks... but who will average more and why?)

I have just enough to get Barlow but he burst onto the scene, broke his leg and came back last year for 9 games and only averaged 85. If one of them will be a top 10 mid its worth it.. If not, may as well invest the cash elsewhere.

I suppose then a follow up would be:

Rookie Mid-Lueuy-SJ V
Barlow/Hayes-Lueuy-Porps V
Barlow/Hayes-Giles/Big O-SJ

Hmm, i'd probably go SJ, Giles - few Q's over Porps, and it's been proven he's not a massive DT scorer. Giles will play and SJ should kill it, Geelong have a nice patch early on.

For me personally i'm probably not going to go either Barlow or Hayes - and to be honest i can't really split who i'd choose, maybe this will help you decide: http://dreamteamtalk.com/2012/01/30/versus-round-2-barlow-v-hayes/

Rookie Mid - Luey - SJ for sure!!!!

 

[cfx_1]

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Thanks for the link Pretty much sums up exactly what i already knew. I think it depends on how many rookies perform well in the nab cup. At current I have Shiel, Clifton, Mitchell, Stevens, Bartlett in the mids. Obviously going to change but if there are only 4 mid rookies that perform well and are starting I will go with one of them.. Probably Barlow but only because of the teams they play twice, only West Coast should be really tough and well, anything can happen in the derby.

 

[Jezza Jenkins]

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I've got a good feeling barlow and hayes will both be back to tearing it up pretty early on.

any thoughts on redden vs rockliff?

v similar average last year, but maybe one will take it a step further this year...

 

[dewey13]

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I've got a good feeling barlow and hayes will both be back to tearing it up pretty early on.

any thoughts on redden vs rockliff?

v similar average last year, but maybe one will take it a step further this year...

I've gone with Rocky as a slight POD, Redden would be even more unique in my opinion... he is a legit option though.

1. Leuey v Sandi (sole prem ruck)

2. Goodes v Buddy v Cloke v SJ (which two)

3. Mitch Robinson v zaha v Sidebottom (again, which two)