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Already have Scott Lycett on the fringes to be that big marking target that could play out of the square.
If the Q-stick reverts to his 2010 form in 2012, Lycett is first in line to get the role you'd want Clarke to play.
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Already have Scott Lycett on the fringes to be that big marking target that could play out of the square.
If the Q-stick reverts to his 2010 form in 2012, Lycett is first in line to get the role you'd want Clarke to play.
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Big ask for someone that has only played a couple of games.
In direct answer to the thread question, we would need one if not two experienced players IMO.
Which shows how badly we miss that midfielder.
Delivery hasn't been the best.
The forwards have done very well when the midfield has been acing it, like against the teams with inferior midfield.
Re: What do we need next year.
My thoughts exactly. We need a new Phil Matera and one more class midfielder.
My thoughts exactly. We need a new Phil Matera and one more class midfielder.
Don't want Sharrod Wellingham, he is just one of those average players playing in a good team which makes him look good.
Leon Davis/Chris Yarran would be perfect, but Leon is probably too old and Chris Yarran we just won't get, he is almost untradeable for the Blues now
Jeffy Garlett... god damn we could do with him.
Mitch Clark... nope don't need him, would stunt Lycett's development.
Trading won't get us anywhere I suspect, so we need to just draft, would be good to have a crack at Dayle Garlett in the mini-draft, he would be nice.
Leon Davis/Chris Yarran would be perfect, but Leon is probably too old and Chris Yarran we just won't get, he is almost untradeable for the Blues now
Jeffy Garlett... god damn we could do with him.
Mitch Clark... nope don't need him, would stunt Lycett's development.
Trading won't get us anywhere I suspect, so we need to just draft, would be good to have a crack at Dayle Garlett in the mini-draft, he would be nice.
I disagree. Sharrod Wellingham drifts in and out of games a bit, but he's extremely talented and would be a great get IMO. He glides across the turf.
I can see him and Masto already, tentative at first, like two shy toddlers, before breaking into fits of giggles and running to the nearest mirror admiring each others perfectly formed comb over and arguing over how the other one is soooo much prettier.
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Not the mention the 3 goals he kicked against us. He's not a player you build a team around, but he's a good addition.
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Not the mention the 3 goals he kicked against us. He's not a player you build a team around, but he's a good addition.
He's a great talent, I haven't seen any signs that he wants to leave Collingwood though?
When has he demonstrated good lateral movement, though? From what I've seen his main strength is his huge closing speed in a straight line, but he struggles with quick changes of direction. Am I missing something here?
Don't get me wrong, he has some tremendous athletic strengths, I judt wouldn't have thought lateral movement to be one of them.
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Contested marking is poor. Not sure about the uncontested marking.
The biggest issue to address for next year is our kicking efficiency. I believe we've got the group but we're short on good ball users.
Down back is the biggest issue. Glass, McKenzie and Waters couldn't hit the side of a barn. All are fantastic at sticking to their man, taking intercept marks and spoiling. But when any of them get the ball in their hands you cringe. McKenzie is notorious for converting safe marks into easy opposition goals by errant, no pressure missed passes in front of goal. Glass barely kicks, as the opposition know, so they sweat off the dish off handball they know he'll give (he's also one of those shovel style handballers where his left hand isn't still but moving in the direction of the handball, creating a slow looping effort that is easier to cut off). Waters is sensational at stopping attacks, as he showed yesterday, but doesn't realise like Glass and McKenzie that his kicking is woeful, so he continually turns it over.
All three of these guys should spend the entire pre-season honing their kicking skills. Glass and McKenzie should be told look to kick as the first option, not as the last and to persist, even if they stuff a few up. Our backline yesterday only included two blokes who could actually be relied upon to hit a target, Hurn and Butler. Glass, Waters, McKenzie and A Selwood (can only kick in the directions he's running) not being effective by foot means we have too few options to clear the ball and manouvering it into a good kicker's hands means time for the opposition to flood back. Schofield can kick but looks tentative with the ball in hand, as though that's not his job.
If you compare us to Collingwood and Geelong we're clearly outgunned in defensive kicking. Tarrant is the Pies defender who kicks the least and he's actually a pretty good kick.
Of those out of the side who might come in Ashley Smith and Brad Sheppard can kick, as can Lewis Stevenson. Unfortunately latter duo showed nothing to me that they are on track to move into our backline. Mitch Brown's an OK kicker.
And while this specialist group is learning to kick Chris Masten and Tom Swift might want to join them. Both butcher the ball regularly, but in different ways. Masten spots up opposition players and hits them on the chest while Swift is the out of bounds on the full specialist (I think it was the Saints game where he had a mark about 20 metres in from the boundary at half back and he dallied. I said to a mate watching with me, "He'll kick this out on the full". "Bullshit" my mate said, but sure enough he did. My mate reckoned I was psychic but I wasn't, just seen him do it so many times before).
So that's my recipe for 2012, kicking practice. Then, when the pressure ramps up in finals, we stand a chance of maintaining our regular season form instead of us looking out of our depth. In modern footy, turnovers absolutely kill you. It makes you look slow and not manning up when all of a sudden the ball you thought was going one way suddenly heads in the other direction.
We've got the players and the game plan, if we tidy up our skills I'm sure we can go at least 1 step further than this year and hopefully 2.
Down back is the biggest issue. Glass, McKenzie and Waters couldn't hit the side of a barn. All are fantastic at sticking to their man, taking intercept marks and spoiling. But when any of them get the ball in their hands you cringe. McKenzie is notorious for converting safe marks into easy opposition goals by errant, no pressure missed passes in front of goal. Glass barely kicks, as the opposition know, so they sweat off the dish off handball they know he'll give (he's also one of those shovel style handballers where his left hand isn't still but moving in the direction of the handball, creating a slow looping effort that is easier to cut off). Waters is sensational at stopping attacks, as he showed yesterday, but doesn't realise like Glass and McKenzie that his kicking is woeful, so he continually turns it over.
All three of these guys should spend the entire pre-season honing their kicking skills. Glass and McKenzie should be told look to kick as the first option, not as the last and to persist, even if they stuff a few up. Our backline yesterday only included two blokes who could actually be relied upon to hit a target, Hurn and Butler. Glass, Waters, McKenzie and A Selwood (can only kick in the directions he's running) not being effective by foot means we have too few options to clear the ball and manouvering it into a good kicker's hands means time for the opposition to flood back. Schofield can kick but looks tentative with the ball in hand, as though that's not his job.
If you compare us to Collingwood and Geelong we're clearly outgunned in defensive kicking. Tarrant is the Pies defender who kicks the least and he's actually a pretty good kick.
Of those out of the side who might come in Ashley Smith and Brad Sheppard can kick, as can Lewis Stevenson. Unfortunately latter duo showed nothing to me that they are on track to move into our backline. Mitch Brown's an OK kicker.
And while this specialist group is learning to kick Chris Masten and Tom Swift might want to join them. Both butcher the ball regularly, but in different ways. Masten spots up opposition players and hits them on the chest while Swift is the out of bounds on the full specialist (I think it was the Saints game where he had a mark about 20 metres in from the boundary at half back and he dallied. I said to a mate watching with me, "He'll kick this out on the full". "Bullshit" my mate said, but sure enough he did. My mate reckoned I was psychic but I wasn't, just seen him do it so many times before).
So that's my recipe for 2012, kicking practice. Then, when the pressure ramps up in finals, we stand a chance of maintaining our regular season form instead of us looking out of our depth. In modern footy, turnovers absolutely kill you. It makes you look slow and not manning up when all of a sudden the ball you thought was going one way suddenly heads in the other direction.
We've got the players and the game plan, if we tidy up our skills I'm sure we can go at least 1 step further than this year and hopefully 2.
We get pwned in one on one contested situations around the ground against the bigger, stronger, faster, fitter teams in the competition.
For example, a long bomb to a one on one situation usually results in a spoil from us or a mark to them. We look great at this against the weaker sides but against the rest of the top 6 we're not flash.
A good couple of preseasons will help.
For example, a long bomb to a one on one situation usually results in a spoil from us or a mark to them. We look great at this against the weaker sides but against the rest of the top 6 we're not flash.
A good couple of preseasons will help.
Bring Fasolo home.
in terms of positions, there is pretty much nothing we are after.
at KPF, we have lynch, kennedy, with darling developing
at small forward, we have le cras, nico with ebert developing
on the wings we have embers and rosa, with shep and gaff developing
inside we have kerr, priddis, with scooter, masten and shuey developing
in ruck we have cox with nick nat and lycett developing
at KPB we have glass and emac, schoey and brown are all developing
small backs we have a selwood, waters, butler, hurn with ash smith and macgiggity developing
even beyond this 28 guys we have swift, hams, stevens, stevenson, weedon and more who could step up and have an impact at the top level.
we have a nice even list, some good depth, with players developing in every position
what we lack is CLASS. genuine class in the midfield specifically. we have shuey, nicknat and darling coming through, guys i think will be A-graders, but we are going to lose kerr, cox, embers and glass shortly.
to give it a shake next year, we need a couple more good players to become great (shannon hurn, im lookin at you), good seasons from le cras, kennedy, nick nat, cox, kerr, rosa...
and we need a couple more of masten, swift, gaff or sheppard to make the transition that shuey made this year, to a genuine gun.
i personally would do not very much of anything this year at the trade table. i would delist bones, dalziell and a couple others, draft the best available (a KPD would be nice, and the rest mids),
back the kids to develop, manage kerr, cox and glass to the tune of 12-15 games a year, rotate the other older guys (nicoski, lynch and a selwood) out to the WAFL and get games into the performing youngsters.
at KPF, we have lynch, kennedy, with darling developing
at small forward, we have le cras, nico with ebert developing
on the wings we have embers and rosa, with shep and gaff developing
inside we have kerr, priddis, with scooter, masten and shuey developing
in ruck we have cox with nick nat and lycett developing
at KPB we have glass and emac, schoey and brown are all developing
small backs we have a selwood, waters, butler, hurn with ash smith and macgiggity developing
even beyond this 28 guys we have swift, hams, stevens, stevenson, weedon and more who could step up and have an impact at the top level.
we have a nice even list, some good depth, with players developing in every position
what we lack is CLASS. genuine class in the midfield specifically. we have shuey, nicknat and darling coming through, guys i think will be A-graders, but we are going to lose kerr, cox, embers and glass shortly.
to give it a shake next year, we need a couple more good players to become great (shannon hurn, im lookin at you), good seasons from le cras, kennedy, nick nat, cox, kerr, rosa...
and we need a couple more of masten, swift, gaff or sheppard to make the transition that shuey made this year, to a genuine gun.
i personally would do not very much of anything this year at the trade table. i would delist bones, dalziell and a couple others, draft the best available (a KPD would be nice, and the rest mids),
back the kids to develop, manage kerr, cox and glass to the tune of 12-15 games a year, rotate the other older guys (nicoski, lynch and a selwood) out to the WAFL and get games into the performing youngsters.
And if Kennedy goes down, who is our KPF?
Lynch is just about gone. Watch the replay and see how often he is lumbering in the back end of the frame as Geelong move it through half back/midfield.
Lycett is apparently a ruck/FF and as such we are one injury away from a massive hole.
Most teams would kill to have our backs in Mckenzie, Schofield, Glass & Brown.
We would be derelict not to chase Mitch Clark and if we don't get him, ensure that the Dockers pay a hefty price.
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Mitch Clarke is useless as a forward. Considering that WC don't need anymore ruckmen, WC shouldn't be making a realistic play for Clarke.
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Don't agree with this. He's a great tagger but he doesn't have enough poise for an offensive mid. I'm happy with him shutting down the opposition's best mid and getting a few clearances. If he can bob up for a goal or two, even better.
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Smith played 18 games in our H&A season. He's already in our best back six.
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