Mega Thread 2012 - your best 22's, your forward structures and team set-ups

[Strapping Young Lad]

Like any offseason, we'll get an abundance of ''Best 22s'' posted over the coming months, and we need a place to throw them all as most of you know they'll come thick and fast and discussion will morph one way, and then another...so this is the place where it'll all be housed.

 

[Henry Jr]

Re: 2012 - your best 22's, your forward structures and team set-ups.

I've got mine written on a napkin somewhere. I'll get back to you....

 

[Fevola99]

Here is my best 22 for 2012

B: Luke Hodge, Ryan Schoenmakers, Zac Dawson
HB: Ben Stratton, Jack Anthony, Josh Gibson
C: Cameron Bruce, Jordan Lewis, Adam Cooney
HF: Cyril Rioli, Lance Franklin, Khan Haretuku
F: Jack Gunston, David Hale, Spider-Man
R: Dean Cox, Brad Sewell, Josh P. Kennedy
I: Shane Savage, Matthew Lloyd, Cadel Evans, Darren Milburn

 

[dipper86]

Here is my best 22 for 2012

B: Luke Hodge, Ryan Schoenmakers, Zac Dawson
HB: Ben Stratton, Jack Anthony, Josh Gibson
C: Cameron Bruce, Jordan Lewis, Adam Cooney
HF: Cyril Rioli, Lance Franklin, Khan Haretuku
F: Jack Gunston, David Hale, Spider-Man
R: Dean Cox, Brad Sewell, Josh P. Kennedy
I: Shane Savage, Matthew Lloyd, Cadel Evans, Darren Milburn

Pfft.... No Whitecross.

 

[HolyRioli]

Alright, I've had this space reserved all summer

And then realised no one will read the first page anymore. Will post on last page

 

[Prudster]

Pfft.... No Whitecross.

Hahaha so true. I was gonna post about the lack of Murphy. This 22 will cause an uproar among this board!

 

[Bennycoff]

My best 22 off the top of my head:

FB: Murphy, Gilham, Guerra
HB: Birchall, Gibson, Suckling
C: Burgoyne, Sewell, Lewis
HF: Whitecross, Franklin, Smith
FF: Rioli, Roughead, Breust
R: Bailey, Mitchell, Hodge
I: Shiels, Puopolo, Stratton, Lewis

E: Hale, Schoenmakers, Savage

*This is with current list, prior to possible retirements, delistings and trades.

 

[FisherHawk]

My best 22 off the top of my head:

FB: Murphy, Gilham, Guerra
HB: Birchall, Gibson, Suckling
C: Burgoyne, Sewell, Lewis
HF: Whitecross, Franklin, Smith
FF: Rioli, Roughead, Breust
R: Bailey, Lewis, Hodge
I: Shiels, Puopolo, Stratton, Savage

E: Hale, Schoenmakers, Osborne

*This is with current list, prior to possible retirements, delistings and trades.

Good team and a premiership chance too. Just need to all be there in September including Mitchell. Remember him

Other change, I would at least have Hale on the bench, probably replacing Savage which is tough. This may depend on the opposition defensive size. Can't rely on Roughead to back up in the ruck now and need a backup ruckman for Bailey. He rotates on the forward line to stretch the opposition and is a reasonable kick for goal. Best 22 player I still think. Otherwise a bit of a shuffle but at least we have some depth now.

FB: Suckling, Gilham, Guerra
HB: Birchall, Gibson, Stratton
C: Smith, Mitchell, Lewis
HF: Whitecross, Franklin, Burgoyne
FF: Rioli, Roughead, Puopolo
R: Bailey, Sewell, Hodge
I: Murphy, Hale, Shiels, Bruest

E:Savage, Schoenmakers, Osborne

 

[The Big Shaqtus]

FB: Suckling, Schoenmakers, Gilham
HB: Birchall, Gibson, Stratton
C: Smith, Mitchell, Lewis
HF: Rioli, Franklin, Burgoyne
FF: Fevola, Roughead, Puopolo
R: Bailey, Sewell, Hodge
I: Guerra, Hale, Shiels, Sub: Bruest

E:Savage, Whitecross, Osborne

Note that thomas murphy isn't in it, finally! (Although i don't think it will happen)

Also Brendan Fevola is there, with the emergance of Jarryd Roughead playing second ruck this year and Buddy kick chasing up the ground we often find ourself with no forward target as shown many times in the prelim when buddy was up the ground and it was Puopolo playing as the key man when the ball came forward :| One thing that hawthorn does lack is a big contested marking option in the forward line, Buddy and Roughy the to great players they are, are not good contested marks, but yet we still kick it on their heads like they are? What could go wrong with fev ? put him on a rookie contract with a get out clause if he does anything wrong and put him on a rookie salary, who cares if it doesnt work out, just sack him? Surely it's worth the crack during our premiership window....

Also Schoenmakers does make it, even throughout all the mistakes he makes, possibly costing us a grand final birth, he did show signs against players like Dawes and Reid in the two finals, hes only 20. Give him a fair go Hawthorn supporters!!

 

[Bennycoff]

Good team and a premiership chance too. Just need to all be there in September including Mitchell. Remember him

Other change, I would at least have Hale on the bench, probably replacing Savage which is tough. This may depend on the opposition defensive size. Can't rely on Roughead to back up in the ruck now and need a backup ruckman for Bailey. He rotates on the forward line to stretch the opposition and is a reasonable kick for goal. Best 22 player I still think. Otherwise a bit of a shuffle but at least we have some depth now.

FB: Suckling, Gilham, Guerra
HB: Birchall, Gibson, Stratton
C: Smith, Mitchell, Lewis
HF: Whitecross, Franklin, Burgoyne
FF: Rioli, Roughead, Puopolo
R: Bailey, Sewell, Hodge
I: Murphy, Hale, Shiels, Bruest

E:Savage, Schoenmakers, Osborne

hahaha cant believe I forgot our best player...

 

[RoyFokker]

Looking forward to 2012 going to be a BIG year If Bateman doesn't retire on his own accord he better get the tap on the shoulder the amount of clangers in that collingwood game was disgraceful.

Burgoyne in the middle please and rotate up forward IMO wasted down back.

 

[Baz_hawk]

Reserved for post draft/trade week

Currently (12-10-2011) -

FB - Matthew Suckling | Steven Gilham | Josh Gibson
HB - Luke Hodge | Ryan Schoenmakers | Grant Birchall
CE - Brendan Whitecross | Brad Sewell | Isaac Smith
HF - Cyril Rioli | Lance Franklin | Paul Puopolo
FF - Micheal Osborne | Jarryd Roughead | Luke Breust
FOL- Max Bailey | Sam Mitchell | Liam Shiels

INT - Jordan Lewis | Shaun Burgoyne | Ben Stratton | Shane Savage
EMG - Jordan Lisle - Luke Lowden - Brent Guerra

Can't decide on the sub at the moment.

Don't think Guerra will drop out of our best 22, has been a solid player but I'm struggling to find someone to drop. Possibly Osborne?

Potential 25 squad-

FB- Stratton | Lisle | Suckling
HB- Gibson | Schoenmakers | Birchall
C- Whitecross | Sewell | Smith
HF- Hodge | Franklin | Rioli
FF- Gunston | Roughead | Breust
Fol- Bailey | Mitchell | Shiels

Int- Lowden | Savage | Lewis | Puopolo | Guerra | Burgoyne | Gilham

 

[Drederick Tatum]

FB: Suckling, Schoenmakers, Gilham
HB: Birchall, Gibson, Stratton
C: Smith, Mitchell, Lewis
HF: Rioli, Franklin, Burgoyne
FF: Fevola, Roughead, Puopolo
R: Bailey, Sewell, Hodge
I: Guerra, Hale, Shiels, Sub: Bruest

E:Savage, Whitecross, Osborne

Note that thomas murphy isn't in it, finally! (Although i don't think it will happen)

Also Brendan Fevola is there, with the emergance of Jarryd Roughead playing second ruck this year and Buddy kick chasing up the ground we often find ourself with no forward target as shown many times in the prelim when buddy was up the ground and it was Puopolo playing as the key man when the ball came forward :| One thing that hawthorn does lack is a big contested marking option in the forward line, Buddy and Roughy the to great players they are, are not good contested marks, but yet we still kick it on their heads like they are? What could go wrong with fev ? put him on a rookie contract with a get out clause if he does anything wrong and put him on a rookie salary, who cares if it doesnt work out, just sack him? Surely it's worth the crack during our premiership window....

Also Schoenmakers does make it, even throughout all the mistakes he makes, possibly costing us a grand final birth, he did show signs against players like Dawes and Reid in the two finals, hes only 20. Give him a fair go Hawthorn supporters!!

I'm on the same page as you here, what is to lose by throwing Fev a lifeline? It goes either of two ways.........we pick up a bloke who at his best is a natural match winner, proven player at the highest level and......something we don't have..........a great set shot for goal OR he doesn't get a kick or misbehaves and we sack him on the spot.

Considering we will more than likely add Gunston to a forward line that already has Franklin and Roughead, the reward would far outweigh the risk.

Schoenmakers is still young, give him a full season playing on the big boys and then make up your mind, with Gilham back to help out. Roughead may be an emergency key defender if need be.......especially if we make some interesting moves at the table this week in regards to attacking players up for grabs.

 

[MC_9]

This would be my best 22 heading into next, assuming trade week goes as expected.

FB: B.Guerra...R.Shoey/S.Gilham....B.Stratton
HB: G.Birchall...J.Gibson...M.Suckling
C: S.Burgouyne...S.Mitchell...I.Smith
HF: J.Gunston...L.Franklin...S.Savage
FF: L.Bruest...J.Roughead...C.Rioli
R: M.Bailey...L.Hodge...B.Sewell
INT: J.Lewis...L.Shiels...B.Whitecross
S: P.Puopulo

EMG: M.Osborne...D.Hale...X.Ellis

I'm sure many will not agree with the backline, however I think that is the best backline that provides flexibility whilst also providing plenty of rebound. Our backline at times struggled to get the ball out, so all of those players are very capable rebounds & defenders.

 

[Pessimistic]

Top 12
FWD______MID________DEF_______UTIL
Buddy_____Mitchell____Birchall____Hodge
Rough_____Sewell______Gibson____Burgoyne
Rioli_______Lewis______Stratton___Guerra

The squad
FWD______MID________DEF_______UTIL_____RUCK
Bruest_____Bateman____Gilham____Suckling__Bailey
Whitecross_Savage_____Lisle______Puopolo__Hale
Gunston ___Ellis________Murphy___Young____Renouf
Osborne____Sheils______Shoe_____Smith, Cheney, Bruce

Bold Players yet to play a PF or GF

Prefer to look at a squad now - as I belive we will rotate and rest heavily as geelong do.
eg some of the top 12 wont even play against teams not expected to make finals

Suspend buddy ? no problem, we will just adjust his rest schedlule to account for it

 

[Cynic]

FB Guerra Stratton Gibson
HB Birchall Schoenmakers Murphy
CE Lewis Mitchell Smith
RU Bailey Hodge Sewell
HF Rioli Franklin Whitecross
FF Gunston Hale Puopolo
IN Shiels Burgoyne Savage
S Breust

Suckling probably the 24th man

Gilham & Roughead will wait to see their form returning from injury

 

[WWSD]

This was my starting 22 at the start of the year.

B Murphy Gilham Guerra
HB Birchall Gibson Stratton
C Bateman Mitchell Lewis
HF Burgoyne Franklin Ladson
F Osborne Roughead Rioli
R Renouf Hodge Sewell

INT Young Ellis Hale Bruce (Sub)

EMG Shiels Puopolo Cheney

And now....

B Murphy Gilham Gibson
HB Birchall Schoenmakers Stratton
C Shiels Mitchell Lewis
HF Rioli Franklin Burgoyne
F Breust Roughead Puopolo
R Bailey Hodge Sewell

INT Smith Suckling Hale Guerra (Sub)

EMG Osborne Ellis Young

IN: Schoenmakers Smith Suckling Shiels Bailey Breust Puopolo
Outs: Bruce Ladson Ellis Young Bateman Renouf Osborne

WOW! Big difference to the team right there. Couldnt fit Bateman Bruce Young Ellis Renouf Savage Osborne Gunston. Competition is on for a spot in the team

 

[Beandip]

Not enough Gibson

and I would almost guarantee that Gunston is a starter, we wouldn't have gone that hard for a depth player.

 

[mattyflux]

I'll have aq crack at it too!

Stratton Gilham Pouopolo
Gibson Shoey Birch
Smith Hodge Savage
Gunstan Franko Rioli
Hale Roughy Bruest

Bailey Sewell Mithcell

I/C Lewis Shiels Suckling Burgoyne

Hmmmmm, no room for ozzie, goo, Bateman, Renouf, murphy, laddo, ellis

But im loving the rotations that can go through the middle.

 

[RoyFokker]

Hows this for a starting 22

B: Stratton Gilham Murphy
HB: Birchall Shoey Gibson
M: Burgoyne Mitchell Lewis
HF:Gunston Franklin Hodge
FF: Rioli Roughead Poo
R: Hale Shiels Sewell
IC: Smith Bailey Whitecross(Improving every game I watch) Sub Bruest
Depth: Ellis Guerra Ozzy Lisle Suckling Savage Renouf Ladson Young

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[Brant]

Hows this for a starting 22

B: Stratton Gilham Murphy
HB: Birchall Shoey Gibson
M: Burgoyne Mitchell Lewis
HF:Gunston Franklin Hodge
FF: Rioli Roughead Poo
R: Hale Shiels Sewell
IC: Smith Bailey Whitecross(Improving every game I watch) Sub Bruest
Depth: Ellis Guerra Ozzy Lisle Suckling Savage Renouf Ladson Young

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I don't agree that Hale has forced Big Max to the bench but that's hardly an issue.

Personally, I have been trying to force Goo out of my Best 22 for 3 years now. Every year, I reckon I have him out, then somehow he weasels back in. Last year I thought I had him out for sure when we picked up Popeye - but sure enough, he has a bloody good year, & sure enough, there he is, holding down a BP in my Best 22...

Damn you ever-reliable Goo

 

[SSSSSS]

B: Stratton Gilham Gibson
HB:Birchall Shoey Suckling

M: Smith Mitchell Burgoyne
R: Bailey Sewell Lewis

HF:Gunston Franklin Hodge
FF:Rioli Roughy Pup

IC:WX, Shiels Hale Breust

Really would like Murphy in there, but I believe with Gilham back it will allow Stratton/Gibson to play as that loose man, and both are versatile enough to play on the smalls.

Ellis will definately be pushing down on a spot if he is fully fit. Ozzy if he can recapture 2008 form will be great for us. Savage needs to do some running in the preseason, ran out of steam this year. If he can get his fitness back he will be a valuable goal kicking midfielder IMO and in the side.

If Soozie stays we have adequate ruck cover. If Lisle stays we have a genuine FF/FB should something go wrong. I would love for Young to regain his fitness to really force Smith and Savage to fight for their spots.

Hopefully we get a glimpse at some of our future talent in Hallahan, Lowden and Litherland if they stay uninjured. They were a bit unlucky with their injuries throughout the year. Langford is also someone I'm keen on, bloke is fearless.

We have a genuine depth going down to 30 men which is great.

Ellis, Guerra, Oz, Lisle, Murph, Soozy, Young, Johnson (if we re-rookie). Have some up and comers in Sierra also.

Very excited for 2012. Great depth, great balanced side, new faces, no injuries , premiership.

 

[RoyFokker]

I don't agree that Hale has forced Big Max to the bench but that's hardly an issue.

IMO I reckon Bailey needs to improve around the ground bigtime and I don't know what happened to Renouf he seemed to disappear off the face of the planet but I remember him taking big pack marks in defense and drifting forward and taking marks (even though he was still very much a work in progress). So if Renouf has a big pre-season and or isn't traded I believe he will take Bailey's spot aswell.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

B: Stratts | Lisle | Gibson
HB: Birch | Shoey | Suckling
C: Smith | Mitchell | Burgoyne
HF: Gunston| Franklin | Hodge
FF: Rioli | Roughy | Hale
R: Bailey | Sewell | Lewis

IC: Savage Shiels Ellis Breust

Bench had to go:
Shiels - is 100% definite best 22
Savage - can hopefully come on and provide more run through the midfield
Ellis - I reckon will have a big year next year - with a full preseason and renewed vigor after nearly being traded, can see him exploding
Bruest - Will be a gun Stevie J like opportunistic forward

Poo will 100% come in, just not sure where!

Depth - Guerra, Ozzie, Murphy, Gilham, Renouf*, Young*, Whitecross, Ladson*
*may be traded

Will be really interesting to see what we do with the forward line though.

From above, the pure forwards are:
200cm - Hale
197cm - Buddy
195cm - Roughy
193cm - Gunner
184cm - Bruest
177cm - Cyril

Although considering Buddy and Gunner are agile, it's more like 2 KPF (Rough, Hale), 2 Medium flankers (Buddy, Gunner) and 2 small crumbing forwards (Cyril, Bruest), but with the flexibility of having 4 talls which no backline at the moment could cover.

 

[Milestone]

What a squad!

FB: Brent Guerra, Stephen Gilham, Josh Gibson
HB: Grant Birchall, Ryan Shoenmakers, Ben Stratton

C: Isaac Smith, Sam Mitchell, Jordan Lewis

HF: Shaun Burgoyne, Lance Franklin, Jack Gunston
FF: Cyril Rioli, Jarryd Roughead, Paul Puopolo

R: Max Bailey, Luke Hodge, Brad Sewell

I: Liam Shiels, Brendan Whitecross, Tom Murphy, Luke Bruest

The rest: Matt Suckling, David Hale, Rick Ladson, Xavier Ellis,
Michael Osborne, Chance Bateman, Jordan Lisle, Clinton Young, Kyle Cheney, Shane Savage, Cameron Bruce etc.