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He has a point, not sure what you guys have contributed to this discussion.
Draft Review 2013 - Redo the 2013 AFL draft
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He has a point, not sure what you guys have contributed to this discussion.
Can't you see his obvious hatred of the dogs?
He appears to be a Collingwood version re WB of say ManOfClay, Kram, or ArjenTheGreat re St Kilda.
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Actually I was going to put him lower but I didn't the dynamic trio (Pannal whatever, you, Man of Clay) to start crying again so...
well that just renders your post invalid then doesn't it.
The changes this year in the top 10 for mine are:
Kelly (moving up a few spots): Just had a great year and now has legitimate claims to being the best of his draft but time will tell.
Bont (moving down): Whether you believe he's been injured or not (more so than any other player who carries injuries) is up to you but there's no doubt his season hasn't lived up to the hype. Probably dropped a spot or two (depending on your bias).
Merrett (moving up): A lot of people doubted Merrett's ability to replicate his year from 2016 given he played a lone hand in our midfield for much of the year. He showed that he could do it in a more competitive team as well and even got slightly better. Has also been regularly tagged in the second half of the season (which was another criticism).
Brown (moving up to top 5): He's had a sensational year and deserves to be acknowledged as one of the best of this draft. Will win a coleman or two I reckon.
Crouch (moving up): He'd be 6th on my list now and rising - he's had a great year and has been a prime mover for Adelaide.
Billings (moving up): He'd be 7th on my list and has really begun to show what he's capable of. If his goal kicking was more accurate he'd be rated higher.
Lobb (moving down): He would have been close to 5 last year. This year I'd have him just outside the top 10. Doesn't do enough and at 24 you have to judge him a bit harsher than the others. Very handy in the third tall/2nd ruck role but compared to the prime movers that are going top 10 in this draft - he's a bit off the pace.
Fantasia (moving up): For mine he'd clearly go top 10 in a revised draft. Players with his pace, marking ability and goal kicking are highly valued. Proved that last year wasn't a flash in the pan. Missed a few games at the end of the season. I reckon he would have had over 50 goals this year if he'd played 22 - particularly since he missed some easier games against Gold Coast and Freo. Has also shown that he can do good work through the midfield and wing to balance out his game as well.
Kelly (moving up a few spots): Just had a great year and now has legitimate claims to being the best of his draft but time will tell.
Bont (moving down): Whether you believe he's been injured or not (more so than any other player who carries injuries) is up to you but there's no doubt his season hasn't lived up to the hype. Probably dropped a spot or two (depending on your bias).
Merrett (moving up): A lot of people doubted Merrett's ability to replicate his year from 2016 given he played a lone hand in our midfield for much of the year. He showed that he could do it in a more competitive team as well and even got slightly better. Has also been regularly tagged in the second half of the season (which was another criticism).
Brown (moving up to top 5): He's had a sensational year and deserves to be acknowledged as one of the best of this draft. Will win a coleman or two I reckon.
Crouch (moving up): He'd be 6th on my list now and rising - he's had a great year and has been a prime mover for Adelaide.
Billings (moving up): He'd be 7th on my list and has really begun to show what he's capable of. If his goal kicking was more accurate he'd be rated higher.
Lobb (moving down): He would have been close to 5 last year. This year I'd have him just outside the top 10. Doesn't do enough and at 24 you have to judge him a bit harsher than the others. Very handy in the third tall/2nd ruck role but compared to the prime movers that are going top 10 in this draft - he's a bit off the pace.
Fantasia (moving up): For mine he'd clearly go top 10 in a revised draft. Players with his pace, marking ability and goal kicking are highly valued. Proved that last year wasn't a flash in the pan. Missed a few games at the end of the season. I reckon he would have had over 50 goals this year if he'd played 22 - particularly since he missed some easier games against Gold Coast and Freo. Has also shown that he can do good work through the midfield and wing to balance out his game as well.
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Lol that was a joke.
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Yeah that's a joke. Lobb is so overrated.
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His point was he hasn't seen anything to suggest why Bont is so rated.
2016 ring a bell? AA mid who is an elite kick, can play inside and outside (watch the GF to see the combo of these first 2 points - from memory he had 22 disposals at 100% efficiency, 50% contested possessions), hits the scoreboard (goalkicking accuracy can improve but still 49 shots on goal this year - a slight correction in technique could make it 30 goals instead of 20, kicked 26 in 2016).
8th in the players MVP, 4th in the coaches, =7th in the Brownlow. No one of those metrics are perfect because some players make top 10 of one and you think it's a surprise, or the Brownlow and coaches don't do justice to KPP's etc, but if you look at the names of those who finished highly in ALL 3 in the one season, it's a who's who of elite players.
And he's had a 'down' year this year but is still likely top 10 in the coaches award, probably top 10-15 in the Brownlow, a chance for the AA squad and top 3 for his club B&F. In a down year...
So I think the throwaway responses to a post like that are justified.
It's actually amazing that Kelly has gone past Bont, it's indicative of how elite Kelly is, not how overrated Bont is.
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Ermm except Bont really isn't an elite kick, you must not watch his games alot. He occasionally sets up good plays and that seems to be all people remember, discounting his blatant clangers.
71.3% DE from 2016 was solid
67.4% DE from 2017 is lower than Taylor Adam's 70.8% and Adams even has more kicks per game than Bont...
Adams is seen to have terrible disposals, yet despite averaging mroe kicks per game, his DE is higher than Bont, yeah elite kick mannn
You say he was 4th in coaches, 7th in brownlow blah blah blah. How is any of the above players any less accomplished? Kelly is a top 5 mid, Merrett is arguably the best outside mid with the ability to go inside in the game. Brown nearly won the coleman this year, Cripps had the most clearances out of everyone in 2016. That's not anywhere less proven than Bont... The only one you could argue for is Fantasia, however Fantasia has MUCH, MUCH more potential than Bont who I believe is near his peak already, as someone who abuses his size which leads to greater early career performance. There's a reason why he's declined this year as oppositions put more attention in him. People have been making excuses for him (injuries), I'd like to see some solid evidence, to me he's still that slow, large, albeit smooth moving inside mid who is quite limited in many areas. EVEN if he has been injured, doesn't make it ok for him to get more than 25 touches in 4/22 games this season... We've all seen players who have played the seasons through much more serious injuries and performed much better than Bont (Pendles, Treloar, Selwood, Beams, Jones), why is it ok for Bont to play terribly just because of POTENTIALLY a small niggle?
Like I said before, doesn't do enough to be elite as either a midfielder or a forward.
I expect Cripps will remind everyone how good he is when he's not playing with broken ribs and so-on.
He's a decent player, he'll look even better when he has some inside support from the likes of Hopper and co.
Before getting injured, his forward/outside game was really coming along. Was taking contested marks and kicking goals.
I thought the post was just about those who've moved up/down in the rankings given there's only 8 and a top 10 is referenced
Crouch has had 26 possies and it isn't even the end of the half yet... can anyone who's watching tell me what his impact is?
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Billings with another 28 and two goals (including a terrific one under pressure from outside 50) and Dunstan with 30 (@77%) and 10 clearances.
He's averaged 28 disposals over the last 6 weeks and kicked 5 goals to really get his career going in the right direction again.
He's averaged 28 disposals over the last 6 weeks and kicked 5 goals to really get his career going in the right direction again.
It shouldn't really come as any great surprise how much of the ball Crouch gets, given he averaged an outrageous 39 disposals per game in the TAC Cup in his draft year!
Stopping west coast getting the ball 26 times for starters. Absolute ball magnet
I don't think his career was ever headed in the wrong direction tbh. Expectations were too high in those first three years, with Bont, Cripps and Merrett all performing well above their age, the expectation seemed to be that Billings should be the same. Didn't help that some nufties on here were comparing him to Bont after Billings had one massive game against the Bulldogs, when it was plain to see that the Bont was the best young talent in the game, which is where I think a lot of this negativity around Billings originated.
I was referring to Dunstan getting back on track.
Was excellent from the outset for us in his first year (including the Rising Star nom in his first game and 2 Brownlow votes in a losing team in his 2nd, etc), but then he injured his shoulder badly about half way through that year and ended up getting it reconstructed later in the year, then he injured his other shoulder a couple of years later and had that one reconstructed and he was really poor for a lot of that time in between.
Then he got dropped 3 times earlier this year, so his career was really at the crossroads (albeit still at a young age).
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Yeah, nah.
Brown has averaged 4 goals a game since Round 10. Like your description says, he's probably capable of some 80+ seasons in the next few years, that's a hell of a lot higher than 8th in his draft year and miles ahead of Tom Boyd's current sample size.
He came in mature age, yes, but he's still kicked 154 goals in 77 games and yet to even enter his prime.
Oh right, now I feel stupid
Dunstan has definitely got his career back on track, reckon he will be an important part of St Kilda's team for the next several years.
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Except those guys are right about the Saints haha.
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Ceebs tagging all the BontemSmelli fanboys but clearly quite a few agree with me that he is severely overrated.
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