List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Wizard17]

Hope that some time this year that Tassie play Fox as their main Forward. Been playing ruck and is undersized there but he looks like good CHF to me. Shame that Tassie don't have a genuine ruckman. He might be a chance as a rookie or late pick.

 

[Wizard17]

Viojo Rainbow had 18 disposals at about 80% efficiency to go with two marks (one contested) and two tackles

 

[Wizard17]

Cousin of Bonti and over ager, Liam Hunt had 30 disposals to go with 3 marks, 3 tackles, 3 behinds and a goal

 

[Wizard17]

For those interested in No.1 rucks Mark Kovacevic had 21 hitouts, 14 disposals, 3 Tackles, 3 marks and kicked a goal.

Continuing on the subject of Cannon's players Dav1d's man Goodyear had 28 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles and kicked a goal. It seems that goals are the only reason that Wright was in the best he kicked three but did little else it seems.

The other one of the 19yo's that I like Taylor Grace had 31 disposals, 8 marks, 4 tackles and kicked a goal kicking with 81% efficiency by foot. Somehow didn't end up in Sandringhams best with that .

Going on with the Tasmanian who impressed me last year as an underager Josh Fox had 16 hitouts, 13 disposals, 6 marks, 5 tackles and kicked 1 goal 1. This kid can play.

 

[TempleKelvington]

I'm not entirely convinced that is what we have done in the past couple of drafts.
I would say we draft the player who best exhibits the skills & personality traits that Macca has deemed desirable.

I think it would have been widely accepted at draft time that Aish was a better player than Bonts, but Macca loved his attitude & has placed a premium on big midfielders with good awareness. As much as we all have high hopes that Bonts will become a star, we sure could use a guy like Aish on our team.

I also don't think we can afford to simply take the best available this year, as we have so many glaring deficiencies on our list. Would we take the best available player if he was an inside mid & the second best player available was a juggernaut forward?

Well best available is in the eye of the beholder. It's almost impossible to get consensus on who is the best, aside from the number one pick which seems to be obvious most years anyway. I reckon the jury was split on Aish certainly not head and shoulders above a number of choices we could have had. Best available could be based on player attributes as well as current standings or rankings. If the choice is as close as the example you use and they are hard to split then I guess you look at your needs. My point is.....just get the best player you think is the best and don't complicate it with a list need.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Doesn't help when you kick 5.8

It can definitely get better though, like you said Crameri can't be getting the best defender but with Jones and Grant back it will help a lot. I really want to get Goddard to play as that athletic lead up CHF. Williams has been okay there but we can't rely on him.

If we can get Jones and then Williams/Goddard or someone else to take the two best talls. Crameri and Grant will be a handful on the 3rd and 4th defender. Surround them with some good smalls like Dahl, honey, Stevens and we have more than enough scoring power just need to take our chances a bit more.

I'm a bit worried about our second ruck though we just cant afford rely on guys like Jones and Roberts to back up. Desperately need Cordy to step up. He needs to be given a chance soon to see if he's really improved

We lack structure and so Crameri has to play KP and he gets best defender. Last week...ok we had players out. But it's not been the case all year and yet we have persisted with this strategy. Yes agree Cordy/Campbell....if only huh. Cords is improving, but until he takes the contested overhead marks he can't be the answer. We simply have to play a structure that gives the big guys a chance to learn, develop and play a role that will release, Grant, Crameri and Stringer from the best defenders. It's the main reason we don't hurt teams even when we are on top. It's the reason the players hesitate instead of playing on an going forward....because there is no viable marking target. Instead we look to play too perfect.

I tell you now the team that finds a way to keep 1 or 2 forwards on the forward line, so when they get the ball they don't have to wait for the cavalry arrive before going forward....does my head in. Tell Jack Redpath just stay inside 50 all game and Jarred Grant to stay around CHF and don't worry about your man fading off to block space or create a plus 1 at the contest.

See what happens....could be a brave new world.....but we need the talls to play and the coach to be brave and inventive.

 

[doggies ftw]

We lack structure and so Crameri has to play KP and he gets best defender. Last week...ok we had players out. But it's not been the case all year and yet we have persisted with this strategy. Yes agree Cordy/Campbell....if only huh. Cords is improving, but until he takes the contested overhead marks he can't be the answer. We simply have to play a structure that gives the big guys a chance to learn, develop and play a role that will release, Grant, Crameri and Stringer from the best defenders. It's the main reason we don't hurt teams even when we are on top. It's the reason the players hesitate instead of playing on an going forward....because there is no viable marking target. Instead we look to play too perfect.

I tell you now the team that finds a way to keep 1 or 2 forwards on the forward line, so when they get the ball they don't have to wait for the cavalry arrive before going forward....does my head in. Tell Jack Redpath just stay inside 50 all game and Jarred Grant to stay around CHF and don't worry about your man fading off to block space or create a plus 1 at the contest.

See what happens....could be a brave new world.....but we need the talls to play and the coach to be brave and inventive.

I think we've been trying though, just haven't had guys on the park at the same time, we've had to play Williams in defence because of injuries but when we've had the chance we've had Williams and Jones both forward. You couldn't justify playing Redpath until now but even still you'd like to see him string a few more good games together.

 

[Mofra]

A general question to the draft watchers - is this a "deep" year?
Last year was supposedly shallow with picks petering out from round 3 onwards.

 

[Wizard17]

A general question to the draft watchers - is this a "deep" year?
Last year was supposedly shallow with picks petering out from round 3 onwards.

deeper than last year but I wouldn't call this year overly deep draft year.

 

[fronkalicious]

deeper than last year but I wouldn't call this year overly deep draft year.

So wizard would you advocate trading down to get extra picks inside the top 20 or 30???

 

[TempleKelvington]

I think we've been trying though, just haven't had guys on the park at the same time, we've had to play Williams in defence because of injuries but when we've had the chance we've had Williams and Jones both forward. You couldn't justify playing Redpath until now but even still you'd like to see him string a few more good games together.

Yep but we have Cordy, Campbell and Roberts in the wings. We could have played them, provide structure, but we chose the other path. Is Redpath ready, prob not, who knows, let's find out, let him find out where he is. Nothing to lose.

 

[Wizard17]

So wizard would you advocate trading down to get extra picks inside the top 20 or 30???

Depends entirely on the what the deal was to get the extra picks if we could manage to get 3 or 4 selections within the top 30 that should be enough to secure us some of the cream of this years draft crop. In saying that though over ager Taylor Grace is really impressing me and could be worth going for if we had a late pick if he is not available I'd go in next year with 5 rookies and let them fight for the upgrade available through the preseason. Say we traded out one or two player and delisted four or five (with the KPP crop this year and the fleet footed midfielders we need to make major changes ans purge the last of our woeful recruiting from years ago) if we where aggressive trading we could quite easily target the quicker players that will be around the second and early third round, throw in Z. Cordy and one of Duggan, Weller or Corey Ellis add say Watchman or Kietel and a mature forward and we'd be doing very well. We could really rip someone off if they badly want one of the guys that are at the top end of this draft imo. The best way for us would be something like this:

Traded in: Mature KPF
1st round (after trade down): Duggan, Weller or Ellis (in that order)
Late first/round early second round: Watchman or Kietel (again in that order)
Second round: Viojo Rainbow, Laverde or Cunico
Third round: Z. Cordy
Late: Taylor Grace, Liam Hunt or Pass

Re-Rookie: Lin Jong all the rest delisted
Rookie: Jayden Foster, a Ruck, a tall defender.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

Depends entirely on the what the deal was to get the extra picks if we could manage to get 3 or 4 selections within the top 30 that should be enough to secure us some of the cream of this years draft crop. In saying that though over ager Taylor Grace is really impressing me and could be worth going for if we had a late pick if he is not available I'd go in next year with 5 rookies and let them fight for the upgrade available through the preseason. Say we traded out one or two player and delisted four or five (with the KPP crop this year and the fleet footed midfielders we need to make major changes ans purge the last of our woeful recruiting from years ago) if we where aggressive trading we could quite easily target the quicker players that will be around the second and early third round, throw in Z. Cordy and one of Duggan, Weller or Corey Ellis add say Watchman or Kietel and a mature forward and we'd be doing very well. We could really rip someone off if they badly want one of the guys that are at the top end of this draft imo. The best way for us would be something like this:

Traded in: Mature KPF
1st round (after trade down): Duggan, Weller or Ellis (in that order)
Late first/round early second round: Watchman or Kietel (again in that order)
Second round: Viojo Rainbow, Laverde or Cunico
Third round: Z. Cordy
Late: Taylor Grace, Liam Hunt or Pass

Re-Rookie: Lin Jong all the rest delisted
Rookie: Jayden Foster, a Ruck, a tall defender.

No love for big Jack?

 

[Mofra]

Hope that some time this year that Tassie play Fox as their main Forward. Been playing ruck and is undersized there but he looks like good CHF to me. Shame that Tassie don't have a genuine ruckman. He might be a chance as a rookie or late pick.

A few here will have a heart attack if we draft another tall from Tassie - Jones, Wells...

 

[Dav1d]

A few here will have a heart attack if we draft another tall from Tassie - Jones, Wells...

I think a few here will have a heart attack if we don't draft another tall this year

I hope we grab quite a few in the rookie draft and ND; 2-4
if at least one of them could become a good player for us, I'd be happy

 

[footyfan000001]

I think a few here will have a heart attack if we don't draft another tall this year

I hope we grab quite a few in the rookie draft and ND; 2-4
if at least one of them could become a good player for us, I'd be happy

Seems bloody obvious that it would be our first choice haha - especially considering how many are in the top 10.

 

[Dav1d]

Seems bloody obvious that it would be our first choice haha - especially considering how many are in the top 10.

I'm worried we'll be like......na, need some outside class first pick
get to the second rounder, be like....hmmm the KPP here seem bit of a reach
better take a general defender....
I think its the recruiters job to torture us!

 

[True Dog]

Depends entirely on the what the deal was to get the extra picks if we could manage to get 3 or 4 selections within the top 30 that should be enough to secure us some of the cream of this years draft crop. In saying that though over ager Taylor Grace is really impressing me and could be worth going for if we had a late pick if he is not available I'd go in next year with 5 rookies and let them fight for the upgrade available through the preseason. Say we traded out one or two player and delisted four or five (with the KPP crop this year and the fleet footed midfielders we need to make major changes ans purge the last of our woeful recruiting from years ago) if we where aggressive trading we could quite easily target the quicker players that will be around the second and early third round, throw in Z. Cordy and one of Duggan, Weller or Corey Ellis add say Watchman or Kietel and a mature forward and we'd be doing very well. We could really rip someone off if they badly want one of the guys that are at the top end of this draft imo. The best way for us would be something like this:

Traded in: Mature KPF
1st round (after trade down): Duggan, Weller or Ellis (in that order)
Late first/round early second round: Watchman or Kietel (again in that order)
Second round: Viojo Rainbow, Laverde or Cunico
Third round: Z. Cordy
Late: Taylor Grace, Liam Hunt or Pass

Re-Rookie: Lin Jong all the rest delisted
Rookie: Jayden Foster, a Ruck, a tall defender.

Make it happen Wiz, just change Jong for Redpath if we're only keeping/upgrading 1 rookie....for me

 

[Dav1d]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-05-28/eyecatchers-round-one

 

[True Dog]

I'm worried we'll be like......na, need some outside class first pick
get to the second rounder, be like....hmmm the KPP here seem bit of a reach
better take a general defender....
I think its the recruiters job to torture us!

We need to nail this draft or else there will be hell to pay!!!!!

 

[Wizard17]

No love for big Jack?

Hasn't played at the top level yet and has been on the list long enough if he doesn't play good footy at the top level this year then I'd delist him

 

[Wizard17]

A few here will have a heart attack if we draft another tall from Tassie - Jones, Wells...

If we draft like that avoiding a place just because of past mistakes then we would be utterly stupid. I'm saying that he might be valuable as a rookie or late selection to increase our depth a little bit more so we don't have problems with not having a KPF when Jones and another 1st or second round KPF are injured or suspended. I'd like two KPF's this year but I'm a bit tentative with us getting two because of the outside mids available. Ideally we'd have 3 KPF on our main list and one on our rookie list.

 

[Mofra]

If we draft like that avoiding a place just because of past mistakes then we would be utterly stupid. I'm saying that he might be valuable as a rookie or late selection to increase our depth a little bit more so we don't have problems with not having a KPF when Jones and another 1st or second round KPF are injured or suspended. I'd like two KPF's this year but I'm a bit tentative with us getting two because of the outside mids available. Ideally we'd have 3 KPF on our main list and one on our rookie list.

We need a sarcasm font

The only issue with taking multiple KPFs is where do they all play, therefore how do we develop them?

At Footscray we generally have Cordy, Campbell, Redpath & Darcy Fort (and wasn't there also a VFL listed KPF forward?)
That is before we consider Roberts is a swingman.

Now I don't have faith in Redpath like others do, but if we keep him any KPF we bring onto the list is going to have possibly 4 talls around him - not something which will happen at AFL level. That's before we consider a rookie ruck, which I believe we should take.

We definately need pace too, and an quick skilled HB rebounder.
I do hope we avoid getting another sub 180cm midfielder/forward, it's one area we have an abundance in.

 

[Wizard17]

We need a sarcasm font

The only issue with taking multiple KPFs is where do they all play, therefore how do we develop them?

At Footscray we generally have Cordy, Campbell, Redpath & Darcy Fort (and wasn't there also a VFL listed KPF forward?)
That is before we consider Roberts is a swingman.

Now I don't have faith in Redpath like others do, but if we keep him any KPF we bring onto the list is going to have possibly 4 talls around him - not something which will happen at AFL level. That's before we consider a rookie ruck, which I believe we should take.

We definately need pace too, and an quick skilled HB rebounder.
I do hope we avoid getting another sub 180cm midfielder/forward, it's one area we have an abundance in.

One would play at Footscray the other two (Jones and whoever has impressed the most) in the AFL. It wouldn't make too much of a difference to the Footscray side apart from having a KPF alongside one of our resting rucks in the forward line. We need to draft for quality and quantity in KPP stocks and get some class hence my suggestion of Taylor Grace and my man crush on Viojo-Rainbow. This draft seriously suits our needs so I could see us making some major changes list wise.

 

[Dav1d]

One would play at Footscray the other two (Jones and whoever has impressed the most) in the AFL. It wouldn't make too much of a difference to the Footscray side apart from having a KPF alongside one of our resting rucks in the forward line. We need to draft for quality and quantity in KPP stocks and get some class hence my suggestion of Taylor Grace and my man crush on Viojo-Rainbow. This draft seriously suits our needs so I could see us making some major changes list wise.

Get your own See the eye catchers video? Cordy has a pretty sweet kicking action/good foot skills (hope he drifts into the midfield at stages)

Goodyear is the other one I like the look of, reminds me of Darcy Lang from last year; who we apparently really liked the look of last year
Karl Amon was the other we liked and pretty much they are all burst type players with okay footskills (think we're looking for a 'Dangerfield' type)