List Mgmt. 2015 AFL Draft - what type of players should we be looking at & who do we take? (Poll added)

[zeeCFC]

Are we talking Ben or Harry?

 

[bigdog43]

Trucker's work rate is not in the same league as the other 3

Yeah I'd read that but his leadership skills are meant to be great

 

[Blueboy75]

Yeah I'm sure it's been mentioned many times but I'm really excited going into the draft with such early picks can't wait for the next batch of up&coming to join the all Dark Navy.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Guys when is the draft?

 

[bad setanta]

Sometimes you have to project ahead of the game.
Another few days and this 200cm player wouldn't be eligible this year.

Hard not to be impressed with what he can do. How often he can do it though? That's the risk you take.

Who has the bigger ceiling between him and Burton in your opinion Harker? Also whats the bigger risk Burton's leg or Mckay never coming on?

 

[bad setanta]

Are we talking Ben or Harry?

Harry

 

[Jeremias]

Guys when is the draft?

November 24th.

 

[gandaal]

Mckay has done next to nothing, his numbers in the TAC are not great. Our development is ordinary at best, hope we steer well clear

Of all the top prospects Harry is the one I want the least, which is why I'm sure we'll take him at 8. Probably ahead of someone like Francis or Parish just to piss me off.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

November 24th.

Why thank you. I was hoping to unwrap my presents a little sooner but I guess I can wait.

 

[The Grover]

Sometimes you have to project ahead of the game.
Another few days and this 200cm player wouldn't be eligible this year.

Hard not to be impressed with what he can do. How often he can do it though? That's the risk you take.

I think the birth date factor is a bit overrated.

You would also have kids who look top 10 picks in there underage year, then don't back it up as much and slip down the order in draft year.

tough job being a recruiter i reckon.

 

[BluStreak]

Will be interesting if we get to Pick #8 and Francis, McKay and Oliver are still on the board.

Will be very interesting to see which way we go.

FWIW I don't think Francis makes it passed GC at #6.

So I'm still going for:

1. Weitering
8. McKay
11. Oliver/Gresham
19. Best available (would even reach and take Ben McKay here unless somebody amazing is still on the board).

Bookends/KPD sorted for the next 10 years.

The two McKay boys are twins so they would know where each other is. Reminiscence of Christou to Kouta

 

[My name geoff]

What a load of bollocks !!

Silvagni is not a key forward for a start.

Why the **** would you pick three mids this year ?? The 2016 draft pool has an abundance of quality KPP's, something we are bereft of right now. Added to that, next year's draft is midfield heaven so that is the time to completely load up on them.

When your list has more holes than a sieve, you draft the absolute best possible you can all the time for the next three years. If that means we pick-up three key defenders this year then so be it.

In my opinion quality players that can rotate through the midfield and flanks are the foundation to a winning side. If we can build a side with more quality foot soldiers than the opposition, we win games.

If we line Carlton up against Hawthorn but interchange the KPP between the two sides, I still believe that Hawthorn would win comfortably whilst making Jamison, Rowe and Casboult look quality in the process.


Simpson Lake Tuohy
Stratton Jamison Frawley

Docherty Gibson Buckley
Burgoyne Rowe Birchall

Boekhorst Gibbs Kerridge
Smith Mitchell Hill

Kruezer Cripps Murphy
Hale Hodge Lewis

Thomas Roughead Lamb
Rioli Casboult Shiels

Sumner Gunston Everitt
Bruest Jaksch Puopolo

If we can build Hawthorn like quality through the Midfield and flanks, I think it will be easier to plug the KP holes rather than the other way around.

 

[Sin City]

In my opinion quality players that can rotate through the midfield and flanks are the foundation to a winning side.

If we line Carlton up against Hawthorn but interchange the KPP between the two sides, I still believe that Hawthorn would win comfortably whilst making Jamison, Rowe and Casboult look quality in the process.


Simpson Lake Tuohy
Stratton Jamison Frawley

Docherty Gibson Buckley
Burgoyne Rowe Birchall

Boekhorst Gibbs Kerridge
Smith Mitchell Hill

Kruezer Cripps Murphy
Hale Hodge Lewis

Thomas Roughead Lamb
Rioli Casboult Shiels

Sumner Gunston Everitt
Bruest Jaksch Puopolo

If we can build Hawthorn like quality through the Midfield and flanks, I think it will be easier to plug the KP holes rather than the other way around.

Getting warmer. It's not just the players at the Hawks that makes them great though, they've got a lot more role players than the all star Cats did. They've got the most successful game plan ever implemented and they're run by the greatest coach of the modern era. Sure helps the players look as good as they do.

 

[My name geoff]

Getting warmer. It's not just the players at the Hawks that makes them great though, they've got a lot more role players than the all star Cats did. They've got the most successful game plan ever implemented and they're run by the greatest coach of the modern era. Sure helps the players look as good as they do.

100% agree. Clarkson is a master, they lost the best KPP in the game and became a better team for it.

 

[LordLucifer]

If we line Carlton up against Hawthorn but interchange the KPP between the two sides, I still believe that Hawthorn would win comfortably whilst making Jamison, Rowe and Casboult look quality in the process.


Simpson Lake Tuohy
Stratton Jamison Frawley

Docherty Gibson Buckley
Burgoyne Rowe Birchall

Boekhorst Gibbs Kerridge
Smith Mitchell Hill

Kruezer Cripps Murphy
Hale Hodge Lewis

Thomas Roughead Lamb
Rioli Casboult Shiels

Sumner Gunston Everitt
Bruest Jaksch Puopolo

If we can build Hawthorn like quality through the Midfield and flanks, I think it will be easier to plug the KP holes rather than the other way around.

Paaalllease, Geoffrey, you're killing me with this.

Okay, I'll play your silly game.

Let's say we approached the Hawks during trade week and asked them to trade Gunston, Roughhead, Gibson & Lake to us in exchange for Jaksch, Casboult, Rowe & Jamison ............... what do you think they would say to us ??

 

[My name geoff]

Paaalllease, Geoffrey, you're killing me with this.

Okay, I'll play your silly game.

Let's say we approached the Hawks during trade week and asked them to trade Gunston, Roughhead, Gibson & Lake to us in exchange for Jaksch, Casboult, Rowe & Jamison ............... what do you think they would say to us ??

They wouldn't do that. My point is that I am confident that they would still beat us even if they did do those trades

 

[HARKER]

Who has the bigger ceiling between him and Burton in your opinion Harker? Also whats the bigger risk Burton's leg or Mckay never coming on?

I have no idea other than a hunch.....which doesn't really get you far.

Burton may well make more immediate impact for the fact McKay may take 2-3 years before demanding a regular spot....even in a team bereft of quality talls.

Everyone has their favourites for one reason or another but whatever rolls on in 3 weeks time, will be something we'll all have to get used to.

Either way, both players fill a need, even if we don't see something for another 2 years.

 

[LordLucifer]

They wouldn't do that. My point is that I am confident that they would still beat us even if they did do those trades

Really ??

Why wouldn't they do that trade ??

And why are you advocating we should we build a team around a spine of substandard talls then ??

 

[My name geoff]

Really ??

Why wouldn't they do that trade ??

And why are you advocating we should we build a team around a spine of substandard talls then ??

That's not my point at all.

I am stating that I believe the strength in Hawthorn's side is their Midfield flanker types rather than KPP. I illustrated this point by putting our inferior KPP in the Hawthorn side and then making the observation that even with a weakened spine, Hawthorn still look like a more formidable side than Carlton.

This observation confirms in my mind that the key position posts are not as crucial to Hawthorn's success, rather having a large spread of quality midfield/flanker types is where their true strength lies

 

[HalAlaric]

Loved reading through the phantom draft (funny stuff) and leaves me extremely optimistic that we will grab some pretty good players with picks #8, #11 & #19.

2015 DRAFT LIST (If Hal was SOS)
#1 - Weitering (K.Def)
#8/#11 - Francis (Utl), Weideman (K.Fwd), Curnow (Fwd/Mid), Burton (K.Fwd), Oliver (Mid), H.McKay (K.Fwd), Clark (Mid), Matheison (Mid)
#19 - Ah Chee (Fwd), Gresham (Mid), Collins (K.Def), Rice (Def/Mid)
#59/#60 - Silvagni (Fwd), Rioli (Fwd/Mid)
ROOKIE - Bradley (Mid)

2016 TRADE INS
Tomlinson (K.Fwd - GWS) or Wright (K.Fwd - GC)

2016 DRAFT (Need to grab another 1st rd pick somehow in a trade/priority. Even an end of 1st Rd would suffice)
#1 - Sam Petrevski-Seton (Mid)
Traded or priority pick/#19 - Brodie (Mid), Ainsworth (Fwd), Jonty Scharenberg (Mid)

Hello finals 2017 and thanks SOS for all your hard work

 

[HalAlaric]

In my opinion quality players that can rotate through the midfield and flanks are the foundation to a winning side. If we can build a side with more quality foot soldiers than the opposition, we win games.

If we line Carlton up against Hawthorn but interchange the KPP between the two sides, I still believe that Hawthorn would win comfortably whilst making Jamison, Rowe and Casboult look quality in the process.


Simpson Lake Tuohy
Stratton Jamison Frawley

Docherty Gibson Buckley
Burgoyne Rowe Birchall

Boekhorst Gibbs Kerridge
Smith Mitchell Hill

Kruezer Cripps Murphy
Hale Hodge Lewis

Thomas Roughead Lamb
Rioli Casboult Shiels

Sumner Gunston Everitt
Bruest Jaksch Puopolo

If we can build Hawthorn like quality through the Midfield and flanks, I think it will be easier to plug the KP holes rather than the other way around.

No way!!!!. Roughead and Gunston are super important to them. Then Gibson and coming last Lake. I agree they would probably win but it wouldn't be comfortably

 

[no passengers]

That's not my point at all.

I am stating that I believe the strength in Hawthorn's side is their Midfield flanker types rather than KPP. I illustrated this point by putting our inferior KPP in the Hawthorn side and then making the observation that even with a weakened spine, Hawthorn still look like a more formidable side than Carlton.

This observation confirms in my mind that the key position posts are not as crucial to Hawthorn's success, rather having a large spread of quality midfield/flanker types is where their true strength lies

If you watch the grand final,i think you will find that it was hawthorns defence that won it for them.If you can repell the opposition every time they go forward you put doubts in the oppositions mind.In my opinion we should build the best backline in the comp then concentrate on the midfield. the forwards should be last.With a very, very strong defence,we will stop the other teams from scoring,then if the midfield break even or get on top we will win most games.Only need two very good forwards to win a flag,the rest of the forward line can be almost role players and resting mids plus resting ruck.

 

[HARKER]

I think the birth date factor is a bit overrated.

You would also have kids who look top 10 picks in there underage year, then don't back it up as much and slip down the order in draft year.

tough job being a recruiter i reckon.

Well, not all of them do and without any proof, that may be even more prevalent with the kids who are still growing and somewhat uncoordinated through their development years.

Just saying that had Harry McKay been born a few days later, he'd likely have been in a better position to show even more form in the TAC in 2016.
One year can mean a lot for some of these kids.

 

[My name geoff]

If you watch the grand final,i think you will find that it was hawthorns defence that won it for them.If you can repell the opposition every time they go forward you put doubts in the oppositions mind.In my opinion we should build the best backline in the comp then concentrate on the midfield. the forwards should be last.With a very, very strong defence,we will stop the other teams from scoring,then if the midfield break even or get on top we will win most games.Only need two very good forwards to win a flag,the rest of the forward line can be almost role players and resting mids plus resting ruck.

I found that it was West Coast's lack of quality ball movement through the midfield that made the Hawthorn defenders jobs easier for them on the day.

 

[My name geoff]

No way!!!!. Roughead and Gunston are super important to them. Then Gibson and coming last Lake. I agree they would probably win but it wouldn't be comfortably

If you agree that they would still win without those KPP players, then by extension you are agreeing with the assertion that their midfield/flankers are where their true strength lies.