List Mgmt. 2015 AFL Draft - what type of players should we be looking at & who do we take? (Poll added)

[HereComesJuddy]

That is a long way from what I said, it was more on the pressure and expectation of a raw 18yo kid to somehow be the saviour of our non existent forward line when the reality is the Jack will be lucky to play senior football for at least 2 years.

You did say the only reason he will get drafted is because of a surname and nothing about the pressure upon him.
I get what you were trying to say but it didn't come out right.

 

[Azul]

None of the other 17 clubs rated our next captain, Dylan Buckley.

I'd be quite happy if Jack is similarly a late bloomer.

 

[Funk]

Not sure why he nominated this year TBH.

Barely played any junior footy..............and he'll always end up at our lot under F/S.

What's another year playing juniors???

Because this year he costs approx pick 60 after one ripper game (6 goals against WA) and a shoulder injury that kept him out for most of the year.

Suppose he tears up the TAC Cup next year as well as the Under 18's??

Would cost a lot more in 2016!!!

Top 30 pick maybe?

 

[Omega Blue]

Same logic for taking the mckay boys, if they were two weeks younger they would be top 5 picks for 2015

 

[fnm_just a man]

The parties forming here could be aligned to our political parties ... The conservatives and the progressives ... Liberals v Greens ... Weideman/Collins/Schache/McKay v Burton/Curnow/Oliver/Francis ... With some having a bet each-way

 

[Sin City]

Someone tell me this ain't so please?

Nah Jack's got some good qualities mate, no guarantee but definitely something to work with.

 

[KohPhi]

None of the other 17 clubs rated our next captain, Dylan Buckley.

I'd be quite happy if Jack is similarly a late bloomer.

I love DylBucks as much as anyone but ill eat Andrew Walker's hat if he is our next captain .

 

[bad setanta]

Jack Silvagni should come with no additional pressure other than his surname.. lets be honest, he is a key forward who if he didnt have the last name Silvagni probably would not have been drafted at all, and certainly not rated in the top 30 players in the draft.

He is very much a work in progress development player that is long odds to make it at AFL level.

But he too is very much bottom age don't forget, . He played in defence in Metro's 2nd game vs S.A against Francis and destroyed him for a quarter , did some special things. I'm convinced he'll make it but as a defender. Harry Mckay could train 4 hours a day marking every day and he will still never have hands like Jack, might take him a while to fill out but when he does we will have a ripper.

 

[HalAlaric]

We're going to finish 18th in 2016 (sounded better than last), yes?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Someone tell me this ain't so please?

Judge for yourself



At 7:40 he out bodies Francis. The kid can play, just give him a chance...

 

[Peter Bell]

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-10-30/jack-silvagni-highlights

Quality highlights.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Same logic for taking the mckay boys, if they were two weeks younger they would be top 5 picks for 2015

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't Dunkley a lock for top 3 in this draft after his championship/season last year as an underager. And now he's tipped to go between 12-20.

I dont want to come within the length of the G of any key forward who is skinny and close to 200cm. No on the McKays for me.

 

[KohPhi]

We're going to finish 18th in 2016 (sounded better than last), yes?

Its a tricky one.. by rights we probably should finish last.. But if the Bombers cop even a smallish sanction (say 4-6) that might bring them down a notch or two and make it interesting...

 

[thylacine60]

We have to rely on a regulatory finding to envisage us finishing above *? What cursed thinking is this?

 

[Dramoth]

Totally agree.

These kids are going into the system way, way too early. Essentially they go from junior footy, skipping under19s, to senior footy (and that's counting VFL) in the blink of an eye. They haven't got the bodies or endurance.

American Football, they go into the Collegiate system and come out as mature 21 year olds.

Personally think the draft age should be raised to 19 minimum.

I think that the draft should be left as it is... but allow sides to start fielding an u19s team (or the current VFL development team becomes the u19s side) and let clubs bring all these 17 and 18 year old kids through the development side and the VFL until they are 20 years old. A lot more physically ready to compete with the guys who run around in the AFL all the time. The kids can play in the seniors, but only for a limited number of games a year.

Then at the end of their time at the club on the development team, they can decide whether to continue on with the club that drafted them, or they could enter into the real national draft and get picked up as mature 20-21 year olds.

You could have a National draft (for ages 20-21) and a development draft (for ages 17-18).

It's just a thought.

 

[HARKER]

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-10-30/jack-silvagni-highlights

Quality highlights.

That pick up and give at 1.35 is the cream. Could watch that over and again

 

[BluesRule]

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't Dunkley a lock for top 3 in this draft after his championship/season last year as an underager. And now he's tipped to go between 12-20.

I dont want to come within the length of the G of any key forward who is skinny and close to 200cm. No on the McKays for me.

So true. We need to nail ALL our picks this year not take a risk on future development and growth needs. Lets just pick 4 ready to go players who can be best 22 right now based on demonstrated ability at our first round picks.

Sure we may miss someone who develops, but I do not want 4 Bootsmas (skinny developing superstar like Fletcher), Watson, Lucas (runs all day), etc. as we have chased in the past.

 

[KohPhi]

We have to rely on a regulatory finding to envisage us finishing above *? What cursed thinking is this?

That combined with Cooney and Gwilt make the task a formidable one..

 

[LordLucifer]

Judge for yourself



At 7:40 he out bodies Francis. The kid can play, just give him a chance...

He's a defender, looks right at home there against SA, in fact he looked more composed and focussed there.

Whilst in attack he was good but I can certainly see him making a name for himself exactly like his father did, a solid and reliable defender who can be thrown forward in times of crisis.

 

[thylacine60]

Think SOS kicked a couple of hundred goals. Not bad for the Fullback of Infinity.

 

[HARKER]

He's a defender, looks right at home there against SA, in fact he looked more composed and focussed there.

Whilst in attack he was good but I can certainly see him making a name for himself exactly like his father did, a solid and reliable defender who can be thrown forward in times of crisis.

We have to find forwards somewhere. Can't keep stock-piling defenders

The old man manufactured ways of getting and creating goals.....so maybe SOS can ply his trade up forward first....

 

[Dramoth]

Totally totally agree.

So... you want the club to load up on mids/flankers and use token picks to get in KPP's?

hmmm where have I seen this before... got it... didnt we do exactly that for about 5 years and look at where we are now. And then in 2010 when the club suddenly panicked that our KPPs were starting to age... and we had gotten rid of Fev the year before, so they went out and wasted picks on 3 average KPPs and McInnes who would have been good for us if he hadn't done his knee in his 6th game.

And what did we end up with after all that panicking and loading up on mids and flankers? A ****ing shit defence and a shit forward line and thats even taking into account the guys who carried us for a number of years who have now left the club.

And as for that other muppet that you were agreeing with... he is aspiring to the group think that got us into this situation in the first place.

For this draft... we need to load up with KPP... quality KPP.

Weitering is our main target. He is going to lead the line in our defence for the next 12-14 years.

Our next target should Weiderman... if he is available, Collins if he isn't and McKay if neither of them are available.

Our third target should be Oliver. The perfect addition to our midfield rotations to support Cripps... because as sure as my arse points to the ground, Cripps is going to be copping the hard tag every game next year and if that happens, we need to have a support player for him.

Our final top 20 target should be Gresham. He will be a meat and potatoes player who will also provide support for Cripps. He isnt as good as Parish, but shit... Parish sliding to pick #8 would be a wet dream and he would be the only mid that comes to my mind who would override the overwhelming need for another quality KPP at pick 8. If Gresham isnt here, we go for Ben McKay if he is available.

I don't want the club to waste time getting these fluffy little show pony mids who are all class and flash. I want guys who we build the core of this team around... because dog knows the core of the team is bare boned as it stands.

 

[LordLucifer]

I dont want to come within the length of the G of any key forward who is skinny and close to 200cm. No on the McKays for me.

FFS, we are drafting now for success in 5-years time, forget about looking for an instant return on your investment.

How many power forwards walk straight into senior footy and have a huge impact anyway ?? It does happen but its not an annual event.

Players at 200cm may not grow any further vertically but they will certainly fill out in the body and build up core strength. This is why you hear people say "key position players take longer to develop".

 

[LordLucifer]

We have to find forwards somewhere. Can't keep stock-piling defenders

The old man manufactured ways of getting and creating goals.....so maybe SOS can ply his trade up forward first....

You build your premiership teams from the defense first, it has always been the cornerstone of the sides that have won flags for us. Yes, we need forwards as well and we will be drafting them along the 3-year draft journey but finish off the defensive unit first whilst assembling the other divisions.

Young Jack is a decent size and he will get stronger with the intense AFL training put into him and from what I just saw in that highlight package, he looks a natural to play in defence.

 

[El Topo]

FFS, we are drafting now for success in 5-years time, forget about looking for an instant return on your investment.

How many power forwards walk straight into senior footy and have a huge impact anyway ?? It does happen but its not an annual event.

Players at 200cm may not grow any further vertically but they will certainly fill out in the body and build up core strength. This is why you hear people say "key position players take longer to develop".

I think the idea is that the good power forwards generally aren't the 200cm behemoths. No point reaching for something in the draft that isn't there.