Draft Review 2015 - Redo the 2015 AFL Draft

[Tulip]

Theres a far bigger gap as players between Walsh and Ben King right now than there is between Weitering and Oliver. But even then any I'd think theres teams that would take Max and Ben before Walsh.

Really? King is in discussions for All Australian as well and Oliver is better than Walsh at this stage. Pretty similar.

 

[Ambrosia]

Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

26

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

goes at 2 and is the one with the best chance of catching Oliver imo

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Really? King is in discussions for All Australian as well and Oliver is better than Walsh at this stage. Pretty similar.

Agree to disagree, I dont think King is anywhere near AA discussions rn. I think plenty of recruiters would back in the KPP over a mid at pick 1.

 

[00Stinger]

I don't disagree that Oliver has been a top player. But many teams would still rather a high quality Key Forward or Key Back than a very good contested mid who doesn't hit the scoreboard. Doesn't matter who has had a better career to date if its going to a re-draft, Carlton would still take Mckay or Weitering at 1 as would Brisbane, and Melbourne would have at the time too. Top KPP still the most valuable assets in the game as they just don't come around as often.

Yet saying all this I bet you would rate Walsh at number 1 in 2018 would you?

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Yet saying all this I bet you would rate Walsh at number 1 in 2018 would you?

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Right now yes, but theres a huge gap between Walsh and the next best player in the draft at the moment. There isnt as much of a gap between the top players in this draft. Theres a top 5 in the comp mid, a top 5 KPD and a top 5 KPF. Right now that is not the case for the 2018 draft.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Yet saying all this I bet you would rate Walsh at number 1 in 2018 would you?

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Clarry clearly is the no 1 from the 2015 draft mate.

Very happy with Carlton's haul from that draft, if only Charlie Curnow can stay healthy.

Imagine if the Dees took Harry McKay instead of Weideman though in hindsight...

Hoping for a flag this year btw, got a real soft spot for the Dees, great club with fantastic people who have suffered way too many personal tragedies over the past 20 years (I knew Troy Broadbridge's wife Trish and Jim Stynes personally during my time at Reach Youth, in fact Jim let me crash at his place one night in the late 90s when I was kicked out of home, an extraordinarily beautiful and generous person who deserved a lot, lot better than what fate had in store for him)

I don't believe in the 2nd favourite club concept, but if I did, The Dees definitely would be it.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Right now yes, but theres a huge gap between Walsh and the next best player in the draft at the moment. There isnt as much of a gap between the top players in this draft. Theres a top 5 in the comp mid, a top 5 KPD and a top 5 KPF. Right now that is not the case for the 2018 draft.

Give it a spell mate.

I normally like and respect your opinions, but Clayton Oliver has been a star/borderline elite from the first game he has played. I love and rate rate Harry and Weiters as much as any passionate Bluebagger, but Clarry has the runs on the board and deserves to be rated the dux of his draft class.

 

[conrad_437]

I guess it depends on what team you are. The Dogs would take Weitering at #1, no questions asked. But no question that Oliver has performed better over his career and thus deserves the #1 mantle.

 

[00Stinger]

Right now yes, but theres a huge gap between Walsh and the next best player in the draft at the moment. There isnt as much of a gap between the top players in this draft. Theres a top 5 in the comp mid, a top 5 KPD and a top 5 KPF. Right now that is not the case for the 2018 draft.

Haha ok man

Always take the big man unless the little one is in a Carlton jumper

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[00Stinger]

Clarry clearly is the no 1 from the 2015 draft mate.

Very happy with Carlton's haul from that draft, if only Charlie Curnow can stay healthy.

Imagine if the Dees took Harry McKay instead of Weideman though in hindsight...

Hoping for a flag this year btw, got a real soft spot for the Dees, great club with fantastic people who have suffered way too many personal tragedies over the past 20 years (I knew Troy Broadbridge's wife Trish and Jim Stynes personally during my time at Reach Youth, in fact Jim let me crash at his place one night in the late 90s when I was kicked out of home, an extraordinarily beautiful and generous person who deserved a lot, lot better than what fate had in store for him)

I don't believe in the 2nd favourite club concept, but if I did, The Dees definitely would be it.

Yeah Weideman over McKay/Curnow wasn't great and would really hurt if we didn't get Oliver earlier in the draft



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[HeHateMe]

carlton4lyfe was forgetting Blake Hardwick

15

Blake Hardwick

Age

27

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.8

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.1

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

264.7

4star

D

13.8

3star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.7

3star

MG

264.7

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

4star

just an oversight or do you have him outside the top 23?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Haha ok man

Always take the big man unless the little one is in a Carlton jumper

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Is that statement wrong?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I guess it depends on what team you are. The Dogs would take Weitering at #1, no questions asked. But no question that Oliver has performed better over his career and thus deserves the #1 mantle.

Which is my point, Carlton and Brisbane both needed KPP. They would 100% select Weitering or Mckay in a redraft. If its who's had a better career obviously Oliver so far. I don't think thats up for dispute.

 

[KissKiss]

Which is my point, Carlton and Brisbane both needed KPP. They would 100% select Weitering or Mckay in a redraft. If its who's had a better career obviously Oliver so far. I don't think thats up for dispute.

I think at the time there was a disagreement between Schache and Oliver. Think someone overruled the head recruiter in the decision to take Schache. Think we would go Oliver now

Also Hipwood being forgotten about massively. Still the best performed KPF of the draft over whole career with McKay just going past him now

 

[HeHateMe]

wtf is this thread how have I ended up here????? barlow mate you've got the wrong guy

Correct! Sorry 4lyfe I was after 4ever.
Turns out I can't @ him so I accidentally @ you instead.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I think at the time there was a disagreement between Schache and Oliver. Think someone overruled the head recruiter in the decision to take Schache. Think we would go Oliver now

Also Hipwood being forgotten about massively. Still the best performed KPF of the draft over whole career with McKay just going past him now

In hindsight, I know Schache was the wrong call by Brisbane, but I know a couple of his family members fairly well, the lad has really had some brutal kicks in the teeth in his young.

Also he loved his time at Brisbane, and The Lions could not have been kinder or generous to him, but he had to move back home for family reasons, his Mother was going through a serious health battle at the time he left the Lions (his father passed away when he was a child) and i thought it was downright decent of The Lions to trade Josh for considerable unders to The Bulldogs at the time. Really decent from your club.

Reckon footy club rewarded you guys by letting gems like Lachie Neale and Charlie Cameron to your club, at the time it may have seemed you paid overs (at least for CC) but both boys have become legit champions at Brisbane

 

[Tulip]

I guess it depends on what team you are. The Dogs would take Weitering at #1, no questions asked. But no question that Oliver has performed better over his career and thus deserves the #1 mantle.

For sure, but that's because the Dogs have the most stacked midfield since West Coast 06 if not Brisbane 01-03. If you were starting with a blank slate, its Oliver.

 

[00Stinger]

2 x AA, another AA squad & AFLCA winner with another 2 top 7 finishes as well as soon to be 3 x club b&f winner in 6 years


Pass him over at pick 1 and go Weitering though because he is tall

This game is simple, go the best not a solid player because he is tall



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[RedmanWasHere]

If the top 10 was redone using only the first 10 names picked, Weitering, Oliver, Parish and McKay are light years in front of the rest.*

*Hopper the only exception**.

**Mills closing the gap.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

If the top 10 was redone using only the first 10 names picked, Weitering, Oliver, Parish and McKay are light years in front of the rest.*

*Hopper the only exception**.

**Mills closing the gap.

Dunkley in that group.

Papley elite for his position.

Turning into a more than handy draft.

 

[KissKiss]

Dunkley in that group.

Papley elite for his position.

Turning into a more than handy draft.

Hipwood also the best performed key forward until McKay this year.
Definitely a good draft year

 

[Wild Bill]

2 x AA, another AA squad & AFLCA winner with another 2 top 7 finishes as well as soon to be 3 x club b&f winner in 6 years


Pass him over at pick 1 and go Weitering though because he is tall

This game is simple, go the best not a solid player because he is tall



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He is tall and very good. I think you're under selling Weitering - he is one of the premium key defenders in the comp.

Saying that Oliver has put a gap on him and everyone else in this draft as best performed player. Some clubs need a very good key back over a gun mid.

 

[00Stinger]

He is tall and very good. I think you're under selling Weitering - he is one of the premium key defenders in the comp.

Saying that Oliver has put a gap on him and everyone else in this draft as best performed player. Some clubs need a very good key back over a gun mid.

They do but I still think when you have a top 3 pick you pick the best player not go for needs

 

[Ambrosia]

They do but I still think when you have a top 3 pick you pick the best player not go for needs

I’d extend that logic out to top 10 personally in most cases. Given the length of players careers drafting for need at the pointy end of the draft makes zero sense imo

 

[Wild Bill]

They do but I still think when you have a top 3 pick you pick the best player not go for needs

Im not so sure its that clear cut - would the Dogs want Weitering or Oliver going into this years final series? IMO Weitering would add more value. This is not taking anything away from Oliver who is clearly one of the very best players in the comp and the best from this draft.