List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[Periphery]

Someone mentioned in another thread that GWS have ruck concerns now Mumford is up and down.

Given their wealth of Mid talent, would be it too ridiculous to hope that something like a Hickey + second round pick for Josh Kelly could happen?

I know people make valid points about wanting multiple rucks to provide backup for us, but it would be a huge boost to the team to add two gun midfield prospects into the side in one draft (first pick + Kelly)

Add to that the potential for L Weller the year after and Roberts your fathers brother....

I think there is more chance of us packaging Joey up with our 2nd for Kelly. I would consider that big unders for Kelly except that GWS has been offering significant overs for quality senior players recently.

I'm also of the opinion that we need Hickey for ruck depth (hopefully more).

 

[SK_MD_#7]

Can people stop trying to trade out Hickey?! It's just not going to happen unless there is a seismic shift in the market and our list demographics.

Jesus.

Longer goes down and we're rucking with an unproven international player or a completely unready kid. Makes no sense now whatsoever.

Not to mention he moved to Melbourne due to his girlfriend getting a job there. So why is he going to go to WA or Sydney?

 

[dewah07]

same thing was said about mcevoy

i don't know why people think its impossible.

trade hickey is meh whatever if we did it he agreed, we would get something back.

we could easily replace his procution a sa backup ruck with a FA ruck or a cheaper option such as paying leui.

hes deffenlty not untouchable, thats for sure. do we really want to be paying his next contract when he might still be a backup ruck to longer playing in the 2's in the prime of his career and prime earning potential, if his name comes up we have to at least discuss it.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Not to mention he moved to Melbourne due to his girlfriend getting a job there. So why is he going to go to WA or Sydney?

Dude you've been quiet - hope everythng is ok!!

 

[TheLastEmperor]

same thing was said about mcevoy

Funnily enough I got smashed for suggesting his trade during that season...I'm also betting Hickey is traded.

I just think Hickey is quality....as is Longer who I rate higher...no use having TWO quality rucks IMO when you could use that asset to get quality somewhere else on the park.

I'm predicting:
Longer #1 ruck
Holmes upgraded #2 ruck
Either Pierce put on rookie list or we find another to rookie #3 ruck/development ruck

Hickey traded to help us address a need. I would trade Hickey (contracted) for Carlisle (uncontracted) pending WADA appeal.

 

[SK_MD_#7]

Dude you've been quiet - hope everythng is ok!!

Everything is fine, just less time on Bigfooty lately!

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Love the debate, and love the passion.

I understand the value of the two rucks, and tend to agree that if you could do a deal that involved Joey it would be better.

But at the end of the day Hickey doesn't feel like the kind of player you can build a team around

Kelly does (but just my opinion which is worth as much as you've all paid for it)

 

[Defacto]

i don't know why people think its impossible.

trade hickey is meh whatever if we did it he agreed, we would get something back.

we could easily replace his procution a sa backup ruck with a FA ruck or a cheaper option such as paying leui.

hes deffenlty not untouchable, thats for sure. do we really want to be paying his next contract when he might still be a backup ruck to longer playing in the 2's in the prime of his career and prime earning potential, if his name comes up we have to at least discuss it.

said it before, will say it again

i think its inevitable we eventually trade one of hickey or longer. might be this year might be in 3 years time, but eventually one of them will not like playing in the VFL for long periods and not having enough opportunity

not saying it will be to GWS or an interstate club, but i think its going to happen at some point

 

[Barrels]

It's a draft and trade thread Barrells, people are free to throw up trade suggestions. Just skim over them if you disagree or you are sick of seeing them.

It's been done to death; it was stupid then (IMO) and it's stupid now.

And dewah07, as for saying you don't think two quality rucks can coexist on a list, surely that's what you want?!

King and Gardiner didn't suffer too much together, nor did Everitt and Vidovic, or Morrow, Mynott and Ditterich...

 

[TheJackal]

If and its a big if Hickey did get traded, any chance of McEvoy doing a Trent Croad?

 

[dewah07]

It's been done to death; it was stupid then (IMO) and it's stupid now.

And dewah07, as for saying you don't think two quality rucks can coexist on a list, surely that's what you want?!

King and Gardiner didn't suffer too much together, nor did Everitt and Vidovic, or Morrow, Mynott and Ditterich...

i didn't say they couldn't both co exist but if you could trade hickey for X compensation and then get the same level ruck output for free through FA wouldn't you at least keep an open mind?

 

[Barrels]

i didn't say they couldn't both co exist but if you could trade hickey for X compensation and then get the same level ruck output for free through FA wouldn't you at least keep an open mind?

Show me the available FA rucks who'll give us the same output... Then we might talk.

 

[SK_MD_#7]

Show me the available FA rucks who'll give us the same output... Then we might talk.

Matthew Kreuzer and Matthew Leuenberger would be good for the medical room wouldn't they?

 

[dewah07]

Show me the available FA rucks who'll give us the same output... Then we might talk.

leui gives the same if not better output in the short term.

long term not the answer (is hickey?) but the point is no one is untouchable outside of an elite handful.

 

[Barrels]

leui gives the same if not better output in the short term.

long term not the answer (is hickey?) but the point is no one is untouchable outside of an elite handful.

He's got to agree to it don't forget, we're not the US (yet).

And as my old sparring partner Stanley points out, he's got relevant reasons for staying in Melbourne, so it wouldn't be a simple trade either.

I just don't see the appeal.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

It's been done to death; it was stupid then (IMO) and it's stupid now.

And dewah07, as for saying you don't think two quality rucks can coexist on a list, surely that's what you want?!

King and Gardiner didn't suffer too much together, nor did Everitt and Vidovic, or Morrow, Mynott and Ditterich...

Okay barrels if you wanna say a trade you don't agree with is stupid then that's your prerogative but how about you move on and let those that don't think it's stupid discuss it? Just a suggestion.

 

[crasha301]

If I was hickey I'd rather be in a team with longer then mummy.

When mummy's fit there is no chance hickey becomes #1.

He still could become our #1 ruckman.

 

[Bleeds_RWB]

fringe players at GWS that I think could and should look elsewhere...

Im thinking a package deal of Plowman and tomlinson in a package.

Stk
Gain: Plowman Tomlinson and GWS 2nd round
Lose: Spencer White and murdoch and 2nd and 3rd.

GWS
Gain: spencer white, murdoch StKilda second & 3rd round pick
Lose: Plowman, Tomlinson and GWS 2nd.

Or should we see what we can get for murdoch to send him home to adelaide and take a mid to late 20's/early 30's pick

I think spencer offers up the most currency in any deal and yes I agree Hickey could be part of a deal in the future but this year isnt the year to move him. He needs to play some footy on his knees to prove he can be of value, he wouldnt command much back without some runs on the board.

Also how many draft picks are we looking at using this draft. Who is on the cut list for us this year.
I have sipposs, lee, simpkin, possibly gilbert and fisher maybe retiring.

 

[Defacto]

It's been done to death; it was stupid then (IMO) and it's stupid now.

And dewah07, as for saying you don't think two quality rucks can coexist on a list, surely that's what you want?!

King and Gardiner didn't suffer too much together, nor did Everitt and Vidovic, or Morrow, Mynott and Ditterich...

the earliest instance was 5-6 years ago...

 

[TheLastEmperor]

If I was hickey I'd rather be in a team with longer then mummy.

When mummy's fit there is no chance hickey becomes #1.

He still could become our #1 ruckman.

I don't think he would go to Syd (interstate) anyway. There are a few Melb clubs that would be interested IMO. Dogs, Ess.

 

[Defacto]

Show me the available FA rucks who'll give us the same output... Then we might talk.

well at the moment he's playing VFL so he's not exactly setting the bar high is he. that may change but its bad timing for your argument

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Hickey is the most valuable player on our list that we don't need. He is clearly an AFL level talent and deserves to be playing senior footy, but the coaches prefer Longer. Billy is tracking to be one of the best rucks in the comp in 2-3 years time so it's understandable that he's being fast-tracked.

I think we should probably hold onto Hickey for now and see if we can make the two-ruck combo work once the sub rule is scrapped and Longer improves his around the ground work. If they aren't both in the senior team by the end of next year then one (almost certainly Hickey) will be traded. Holmes looks like he'll be a solid backup option at worst and Pierce will be ready to stand in if needed within the next couple of years. If we could get a late first round/early second round pick for Hickey I'd be happy.

 

[Defacto]

If I was hickey I'd rather be in a team with longer then mummy.

When mummy's fit there is no chance hickey becomes #1.

He still could become our #1 ruckman.

i agree with this, but i think it will come to a point where if one of them is playing a significant amount of VFL football they will ask for a trade

 

[crasha301]

i agree with this, but i think it will come to a point where if one of them is playing a significant amount of VFL football they will ask for a trade

That time could be the end of next year.

 

[Joffaboy]

It's been done to death; it was stupid then (IMO) and it's stupid now.

And dewah07, as for saying you don't think two quality rucks can coexist on a list, surely that's what you want?!

King and Gardiner didn't suffer too much together, nor did Everitt and Vidovic, or Morrow, Mynott and Ditterich...

Why is it stupid Barrells?

We still have gaping holes in our list, and who other than Hickey has real trade currency?

I talking about real currency, not delusional, trades.

I think he is worth a low 1st round pick if a club is desperate for a first ruck. No other player is relatively expendable and can command the same type of dp.

Granted it is a risk. What happens if Longer goes down? We would have Holmes and Bruce in the ruck. Not ideal is it?

But can Longer and Hickey play in the same team together? I doubt it and I think that we have hard nosed recruiters as we have seen with the trading of Stanley and McEvoy (which again goes back to risk - we have already traded out two good ruckmen).

Unfortunately to make an omelette you need to break some eggs.

Quite happy to hear the alternative players on our list that would have the same currency as Hickey.