List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[TheJackal]

Careful Aunty, last time I suggested we may be overrating Acres a little I was almost shot.

He will be a good player for the club, but I wouldn't have him in the same class as Billings, McCartin or even Lonie. Needs to improve his skill and decision making a lot in the next few years if he's to get there.

Im not going to shoot you, but you need to be patient with Blake. He has played 8 career matches and five times he has copped the vest, it's hardly a reasonable sample set to have made up your mind on him.

Those who have seen him at training, intraclubs and Sandy have seen his potential. I don't think anyone is saying he is a-grade. But knowing what he is capable of, I think we are saying he has the potential to become a-grade, assuming he can develop his game to where it's projected to go and his setbacks are minimal.

Remember he is coming from a long way back, he is a 190odd cm mid and he is still only 19.

 

[Periphery]

Im not going to shoot you, but you need to be patient with Blake. He has played 8 career matches and five times he has copped the vest, it's hardly a reasonable sample set to have made up your mind on him.

Those who have seen him at training, intraclubs and Sandy have seen his potential. I don't think anyone is saying he is a-grade. But knowing what he is capable of, I think we are saying he has the potential to become a-grade, assuming he can develop his game to where it's projected to go and his setbacks are minimal.

Remember he is coming from a long way back, he is a 190odd cm mid and he is still only 19.

And he got a long contract from the club. And everything we've been hearing in peoples mail is that the club rates him highly.

 

[bird_man]

Im not going to shoot you, but you need to be patient with Blake. He has played 8 career matches and five times he has copped the vest, it's hardly a reasonable sample set to have made up your mind on him.

Those who have seen him at training, intraclubs and Sandy have seen his potential. I don't think anyone is saying he is a-grade. But knowing what he is capable of, I think we are saying he has the potential to become a-grade, assuming he can develop his game to where it's projected to go and his setbacks are minimal.

Remember he is coming from a long way back, he is a 190odd cm mid and he is still only 19.

I'm not judging him as a finished product, I know he's still got a lot of improvement as do the rest of the kids. I have watched him play some games for Sandy and while some of his attributes impress me, he has quite a bit to work on as well.
Does he have the potential to be an A grader? Possibly, if he can improve aspects of his game. But I could say that about 8 or so other guys, I'm just making the judgement of how I think he'll end up.
I don't think the fact he is 190cm makes that much difference. Why is the he coming from so far back?

 

[Roadto2018]

Just thought I'd weigh in, to me acres will be the best player at the club hopefully sooner rather than later, all things going well that is. Gives us a real weapon that we can hopefully build our midfield around in the coming years.

 

[TheJackal]

I'm not judging him as a finished product, I know he's still got a lot of improvement as do the rest of the kids. I have watched him play some games for Sandy and while some of his attributes impress me, he has quite a bit to work on as well.
Does he have the potential to be an A grader? Possibly, if he can improve aspects of his game. But I could say that about 8 or so other guys, I'm just making the judgement of how I think he'll end up.
I don't think the fact he is 190cm makes that much difference. Why is the he coming from so far back?

Fair call, to be honest, I'd be concerned if we didn't have up to 10 on our list who didn't have the potential to become a-graders.

Agreed, there is a fair bit to work on, which is perhaps why the club is so bullish about his prospects. The scope for improvement is enormous with him as he is still relatively raw - but he does show flashes of brilliance that you only really see from the best.

I say he is coming from a fair way back due to his injuries in his final year of 18s, he has also had a handful of minor setbacks in his time with us. He was a young 18 year old, both in body and mind if that makes sense.

I am friends with one of his junior coaches in WA, so I was very keen to get him to the club. Because of that connection I have probably paid closer attention to him than most draftees. I am no expert, but just calling it as I see it

 

[bird_man]

I am no expert, but just calling it as I see it

I definitely don't claim to be an expert either, just my opinion. Hopefully you are right about this one though!

 

[The Cavalry]

25+ Ray for Weller anyone?
Also any info on Barrett from GWS, would people give up a 3rd/4th for him?

 

[Stewart66]

Very much. He was always going to take time but he is ridiculously talented. I personally think he'll be looked back on as a top 5 talent from his draft. Hopefully supporters can get a glimpse of what he can offer in this last part of season.

Just happy to see him get a full game, certain players at all levels of football have the ability to look
as if everything around them is in slow motion huge upside .

Blake has it.
Sinclair has it
Billings has it.

The best thing looking forward is they will in 2 years , have 30 players fighting for spots.

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Fun fact (yes i was bored this morning)

By this time last year the trade thread had 321 pages, this year, 575 pages

We ended up at 1307 pages and 32,662 posts!

In that time we where sure we where taking JOR, Jansckch (however the hell that was spelt) Petracca and a few others.

My basic maths has us finishing on 2,352 pages and 58,506 posts by the time the trade period is done!

So 58,000 odd posts that are way off the mark, utter tripe and good banter, and probably 10 posts the night before trade period finishes and 10 posts the night before the draft that are close to accurate

 

[stavro#4]

Just happy to see him get a full game, certain players at all levels of football have the ability to look
as if everything around them is in slow motion huge upside .

Blake has it.
Sinclair has it
Billings has it.

The best thing looking forward is they will in 2 years , have 30 players fighting for spots.

With acres the club are being ultra cautious with him. They know what potential they are dealing with. Last year he went from a flanker at vfl level getting a few touches to this year being a big part of the midfield rotation and heavily impacting games. In 24-36 months time he will be right up there at the club in terms of output.

There was a reason we paused before his pick. The club anticipated he would have been lone gone before that selection. Also the belief the coaches have in him is the reason why he got a 4 year deal

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Fun fact (yes i was bored this morning)

By this time last year the trade thread had 321 pages, this year, 575 pages

We ended up at 1307 pages and 32,662 posts!

In that time we where sure we where taking JOR, Jansckch (however the hell that was spelt) Petracca and a few others.

My basic maths has us finishing on 2,352 pages and 58,506 posts by the time the trade period is done!

So 58,000 odd posts that are way off the mark, utter tripe and good banter, and probably 10 posts the night before trade period finishes and 10 posts the night before the draft that are close to accurate

Most of those were Daddy_Barrels and SK_MD_#7 declaring their undying love for each other weren't they?

 

[L_W_P]

On Carlisle - His stats don't scream superstar and his run of AA form was in the first 2/3 of 2013 so we are talking 2 years ago now.

He had some big games as a forward last year but let's be honest, he isn't going to be moving clubs to play as a forward, and the last 2 years have basically been a waste of his time and talent. If we are to trade for him we aren't trading for a supposed gun KPF. We are trading for the player he was tracking to be 2 years ago and no way is that 'potential' worth giving up our first pick for.

 

[SaintRick88]

On Carlisle - His stats don't scream superstar and his run of AA form was in the first 2/3 of 2013 so we are talking 2 years ago now.

He had some big games as a forward last year but let's be honest, he isn't going to be moving clubs to play as a forward, and the last 2 years have basically been a waste of his time and talent. If we are to trade for him we aren't trading for a supposed gun KPF. We are trading for the player he was tracking to be 2 years ago and no way is that 'potential' worth giving up our first pick for.

This is definitely the case. As long as our first rounder stays with us, I'm happy.

One other benefit of picking up Carlisle is that he can play as our 2nd ruckman at points to give Longer or Hickey a rest (I'm personally not a fan of the two ruckman combo). Also means we can leave Bruce to play his fest footy forward.

 

[L_W_P]

Yeah.

Dont get me wrong, I rate Jake and id love him at the club. I just worry that the potential WADA punishment combined with him POTENTIALLY getting back to being a gun KPD is too much risk for our first pick.

If he dominates the last 5 games then obviously ill feel much better about it hahaha

 

[AuntieBarrels]

tbh, Acres hasn't shown us enough that he will be an A-grader. People have to calm down. Whereas Billings, McCartin, Longer, Lonie, Dunstan, Goddard, Sinclair and maybe Bruce have shown more than Acres already in my opinion. I hope Acres plays for the rest of the season, and let's hope that he shows us why he will be a future A-grader. The potential is there, but has to show more.

Oh ****, I'll add another one to the list Jack Newnes. Definitely a future A-grader imo. Started the season off slowly, but has really established himself and has played really well for us. He's got good speed, reads the play well, great hands, booming and accurate kick, and tough as nails. Love the guy

 

[Cannavaro20]

With acres the club are being ultra cautious with him. They know what potential they are dealing with. Last year he went from a flanker at vfl level getting a few touches to this year being a big part of the midfield rotation and heavily impacting games. In 24-36 months time he will be right up there at the club in terms of output.

There was a reason we paused before his pick. The club anticipated he would have been lone gone before that selection. Also the belief the coaches have in him is the reason why he got a 4 year deal

Great post... but why the pause and not an insta call... or they couldnt believe their eyes?

 

[Ekomaira]

Great post... but why the pause and not an insta call... or they couldnt believe their eyes?

I think someone was saying we had our eye on Hartung but when Acres was available we had to reassess

 

[Ekomaira]

Also Bailey Rice will be playing VFL soon on 7

 

[Rors]

Acres will be the best of our youngsters but i'm biased.

As for Carlisle, under the current regime:
1. We refused to trade 25 for Bruce and held out until the last minute until GWS relented on 48
2. We refused to trade 18 for longer and held out until Brisbane took 25
There is zero chance pick 5 will be involved in a conversation for Carlisle. Z ******* ERO.

25 + 41 for Billy + 48

So basically, we traded picks 24 + 41, McEvoy & let Dal Santo go FA for Savage, Dunstan, Acres, Longer & Bruce

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Great post... but why the pause and not an insta call... or they couldnt believe their eyes?

I'm led to believe they were going to pick Hartung but weren't expecting Blake to still be available hence the pause to check strategy.....

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

25 + 41 for Billy + 48

So basically, we traded picks 24 + 41, McEvoy & let Dal Santo go FA for Savage, Dunstan, Acres, Longer & Bruce

The trading has been first class imho

This is why i think that IF our first pick is on the table its for something more cunning and complicated.

Potentially something like

Our first pick + our second + hickey for Bombers first pick (an upgrade for us) and Carlisle.

Potentially then our new first pick goes to GWS for Kelly (so they can get Parish) and we end up with Kelly and Carlisle.

I can't see our team being willing to part with our first pick for Carlisle.

 

[Defacto]

Pick 7 for Jaksch, Whiley & pick 19 comes to mind..... Rofl.... Carlton

i still remember posters talking about how good the proposed deal of Pick 1 for Jacksch + JOR + Pick 20 something was

 

[gringo2011]

All the talk of getting rid of Hickey is crazy. Geelong have had a heap of rucks on their list and can't find any that will hold up or play to a high standard. Hawks had a horror run with rucks for years, Richmond couldn't get moving until they traded in the Mullet and even still have Hampson on big money as back up and guys like Vickery and Griffiths who can ruck also. Having two quality rucks is good management and you should have a couple spare always in development.

Even Melbourne have guys like the big russian as back up to Gawn. Bulldogs have Minson waiting in the wings. Both were AA rucks a couple of years ago.

 

[gringo2011]

i still remember posters talking about how good the proposed deal of Pick 1 for Jacksch + JOR + Pick 20 something was

That's why us internet heroes are on the big bucks...we are full of stupid trades that would make us look like morons in hindsight.

 

[Joffaboy]

Pick 7 for Jaksch, Whiley & pick 19 comes to mind..... Rofl.... Carlton

lol - so they got Jaksch Wiley and Busthorst for pick 7. Northern Blues must be excited.

Watching Jaksch on the VFL - calling him a spud doesn't do spuds justice