List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[King_Steele]

Guys Minchington/Saunders/Murdoch ain't worth much, any unbiased supporter will tell you that.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

If we keep our first pick which seems likely at this stage it would have to be between:

Darcy Parish, Darcy Tucker, Rhys Mathieson with Jade Gresham being a smoky (for Daddy_Barrels who is in absentia currently). Unless in the unlikely event that someone slides like Curnow or Francis......

Likely that Parish will be gone by our pick though....

It might be worth putting in for Kennedy to test GWS on whether they will match the bid. They will have already paid a top 5 pick for Hopper and rightly so from all accounts....worst case they don't match and we get a super player.....best case we force them to use a high pick which will shake loose some existing players on their list.

Who knows - maybe part of negotiations with GWS for certain players is that we won't bid for Hopper/Kennedy with our first??

 

[Goddardwetrust]

If relatively casual observers like ourselves can determine that pick 27 is no mans land this year - surely other clubs recruiters would be able to make that assumption also and be wary of trading that pick in.

Having said that, I'm happy to see what the club comes up with and I'm not going to criticise any suggestions regarding what we might be able to achieve.

In reality there is a lot of water to go under the bridge in relation to trade week and most if not all of our suggestions won't come to fruition. Anything could happen between now and then so let's just enjoy the ride, not take each other too seriously and have a bit of fun constructively discussing potential trades or draftees. I find lately there are so many people around who think they know better who tend to cut suggestions down before a decent discussion around hypertheticals can come of it.

Rant over... Now this is just a general comment, 100% in relation to no one in particular - just an observation.

Its funny how some people seem to take offence at perceived criticism and this was not meant to come across as criticism to anyone, just my thinking, and I am the last person to think I know better than someone else, but don't you think that hypothetically some of the suggestions are out there.

I am sorry if I have upset anyone, that was not my intention, and never would be, all I was intending to do was get across that if we really want another pick earlier in the draft those players would not work, but you could be right, anything could happen.

 

[Axcellence]

C.C

Charlie Cameron?

 

[Rors]

Minchi & Pick 27 -> Pick 25

In 2011, if our pick 20 can be dealt to return pick 25, Saad & Milera.... I'd argue that Minch is a better prospect than both those blokes, so surely we could go:

Pick 27 & Minchington for a pick between 18-22 easily

Anyways, that's just my opinion

 

[The Punter]

It's my understanding that current senior listed players without a contract for next year are Siposs, Markworth, Ray, White, Simpkin, Minchington & Pierce.

We have to delist at least three (assuming a bare minimum of no net players traded in, two draft picks used and a third draft pick used for upgrading Sinclair), more if we want to trade players in or use more draft picks.

I would think in order from most likely to be gone to least likely:

Simpkin
Siposs
White
Pierce
Markworth
Ray
Minchington

We don't have a lot of wriggle room unless our former AFLPA CEO is happy with us cutting players under contract for next year (which includes blokes like Saunders, Murdoch, Curren & Lee).

 

[bird_man]

If relatively casual observers like ourselves can determine that pick 27 is no mans land this year - surely other clubs recruiters would be able to make that assumption also and be wary of trading that pick in.

Having said that, I'm happy to see what the club comes up with and I'm not going to criticise any suggestions regarding what we might be able to achieve.

In reality there is a lot of water to go under the bridge in relation to trade week and most if not all of our suggestions won't come to fruition. Anything could happen between now and then so let's just enjoy the ride, not take each other too seriously and have a bit of fun constructively discussing potential trades or draftees. I find lately there are so many people around who think they know better who tend to cut suggestions down before a decent discussion around hypertheticals can come of it.

Rant over... Now this is just a general comment, 100% in relation to no one in particular - just an observation.

That's why we have to give something of value to make it worth while for the club we are trading with.

E.g someone like Richmond might be desperate to add an inside mid to push for a premiership next year?

Just an example, but we need to try and make a win/win. Every club has different needs and the draft may not be a big priority to some clubs.

 

[Bleeds_RWB]

It's my understanding that current senior listed players without a contract for next year are Siposs, Markworth, Ray, White, Simpkin & Minchington.

We have to delist at least three (assuming a bare minimum of no net players traded in, two draft picks used and a third draft pick used for upgrading Sinclair), more if we want to trade players in or use more draft picks.

I would think in order from most likely to be gone to least likely:

Simpkin
Siposs
White
Markworth
Ray
Minchington

We don't have a lot of wriggle room unless our former AFLPA CEO is happy with us cutting players under contract for next year (which includes blokes like Saunders, Murdoch, Curren & Lee).

Totally agree I think half through the year I had.... Simpkin, Siposs, Pierce, White and Schneider all off the books either reitrement in schnieder or delisted/traded....

I think of the cusp players Murdoch offers the most AFL potential upside as a big bodied big kick midfielder.... White could be sold on potential and how bigger blokes just need time and opportunity. other then that the players are worth more to us than to another side. in terms of how far of an upgrade I dont know. Maybe instead of players and picks for an upgrade. Just trading the players for picks for a start then seeing what we have left to group together for trading of picks

 

[bird_man]

Its funny how some people seem to take offence at perceived criticism and this was not meant to come across as criticism to anyone, just my thinking, and I am the last person to think I know better than someone else, but don't you think that hypothetically some of the suggestions are out there.

I am sorry if I have upset anyone, that was not my intention, and never would be, all I was intending to do was get across that if we really want another pick earlier in the draft those players would not work, but you could be right, anything could happen.

Don't be sorry mate, it's big footy, everyone has an opinion.

 

[bird_man]

Seb Ross + 25 for Richmonds pick 14.

Richmond need a tough inside mid.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

I reckon Faz will explore other options personally. Club offers a 1 year deal, he wants 2 years plus.

DFA picked up by Brisbane/GCS?

 

[Bleeds_RWB]

If this really is a shallow draft especially after top 5 which if everyone was right brisbane have first two then carlton have next 2 and then essendon get compensation for carlisle and then melbourne ask for priority.... so leaves us at like pick 10... LOL (big joke by they way) I am not against trading our first pick with GWS kindve like their deal with Melbourne.... although it is not 2 - 9 downgrade for melbourne... it would be 6 -9... could we not pry 2 excess players of them plus the pick? like tomlinson and Plowman/hampton/buntine? I know it would take some fiddling around maybe our first plus something.... but at the end of the day its hypothetical isnt it.. Im also not fully across the the points system as some of the list managers that post on here....but I do know that GWS have to bring their list back... and with all the talent in the reserves it would be silly not to attack them with offers in a shallow draft.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Contrary to what I said recently about M.Crouch staying put in Adelaide, I've been told today that his girlfriend is actually unhappy and being out-of-contract he may seek a move to a Victorian club so she can be closer to her family. The source is reasonable reliable, however I would be inclined to think he will stay.

Probably a player who is surplus to our needs as an inside mid, however just thought I would rehash the issue.

 

[The Punter]

In many ways, Ray would be doing us a huge favour if he knocked back our deal. Would enable us to perhaps keep a hold on a Markworth or Pierce, or enable us to upgrade Holmes. Unfortunately promoting Holmes doesn't get us a rookie spot, but considering we are at 40+4+1, a shallow draft may provide some incentive to go back to 39+5 or 38+6 and wait until the Rookie Draft to take a few flyers on outside chances to make it, rather than in the National Draft.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Crouch & Pick 13 for Dunstan

 

[dewah07]

Crouch's & Pick 13 for Dunstan

fixed

 

[Rors]

It's my understanding that current senior listed players without a contract for next year are Siposs, Markworth, Ray, White, Simpkin & Minchington.

We have to delist at least three (assuming a bare minimum of no net players traded in, two draft picks used and a third draft pick used for upgrading Sinclair), more if we want to trade players in or use more draft picks.

I would think in order from most likely to be gone to least likely:

Simpkin
Siposs
White
Markworth
Ray
Minchington

We don't have a lot of wriggle room unless our former AFLPA CEO is happy with us cutting players under contract for next year (which includes blokes like Saunders, Murdoch, Curren & Lee).

Simpkin
Siposs
White

I believe Ray will be picked up as a DFA

Minchington will be the steak knives in a trade

Markworth... Could go either way. I know he's never played a game, but I'd either keep him on a 1 yr deal or fish him around for a trade - someone may take the chance

5 list changes: 4 delistings, 1 trade.... 3 kids to be taken in the draft, 1 player traded onto the list, 1 upgrade (Sinclair)

Obviously we will entertain other trades for contracted players if they arise

 

[Axcellence]

Ray has a contract in front of him from us. It's a 1 year contract.

 

[Grav]

Seb Ross + 25 for Richmonds pick 14.

Richmond need a tough inside mid.

How about Tommy Curren? Richmond would probably go for him, not sure of his trade value though. Actually would be pretty handy in a few sides out there.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Ray has a contract in front of him from us. It's a 1 year contract.

doesn't mean he'll accept it though...especially if he's offered 2 years or 3 years elsewhere.

I think we'd be happy to let him go for free.

 

[Yabadoo22]

Unless one of our young "untouchable" kids asks for a trade out of Seaford, we have nothing to offer of any value in this trade period. That's not the be all and end all is it? We will draft a 200 game star mid at pick 6 who is a fair chance to make an impact next year, as well as another slider with outer second. Hopefully we can find another gem like Sinclair and it doesn't take much for the list to improve. Natural progression from billings, dunstan, acres, mccartin, Goddard, Mckenzie, lonie, Sinclair and Templeton on top of that should hold us in good stead for improvement and a crack at a big name free agent next year. Not all doom and gloom if we don't get a big name trade this year.

 

[Periphery]

Contrary to what I said recently about M.Crouch staying put in Adelaide, I've been told today that his girlfriend is actually unhappy and being out-of-contract he may seek a move to a Victorian club so she can be closer to her family. The source is reasonable reliable, however I would be inclined to think he will stay.

Probably a player who is surplus to our needs as an inside mid, however just thought I would rehash the issue.

While I doubt it would happen:

It would be interesting if he nominated us as it would allow us the flexibility to trade out a contracted player (eg Ross) for around their real value while replacing them with an OOC player that we pick up at a discount.

Say we trade Ross and our 2nd for Carlisle or an upgrade into the teens. Then pick up Crouch for a discount (I'm not sure what he'd be worth) it could result in a net benefit for the club.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Seb Ross + 25 for Richmonds pick 14.

Richmond need a tough inside mid.

Follow that up with Pick 14 for Motlop and I'd be very happy

 

[rice_matt]

Follow that up with Pick 14 for Motlop and I'd be very happy

Motlop signed a new contract at Geelong

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Motlop signed a new contract at Geelong

Damn

Edit: Has he? Can't find anything to suggest this