List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Free agency and draft rumours

[dipper86]

Strategic I agree, but I don't believe it's the dangling carrot scenario. If money is what drives him then he wouldn't have taken a huge pay cut to join us in the first place.

He knows he's old (in footy terms), that his body is susceptible to knee and calf problems and that the 2016 list has limited spots which he may not get one of depending on our other signings and recruit targets. He wants to get it locked up now so he doesn't end up being the one we need to let go to get our target/s.

Unfortunately for him the clubs knows all this too and while it would be great to sign him up now and reward a Norm Smith medalist for all his great work the reality of the situation is that the club knows if we want him we can get his signature on a contract when ever we want once the season is done. If we sign him now and then he does an ACL that's career over and then we've lost about $100k-150k out of our cap for 2016.

He'll quite likely get offered a contract if we don't get a Tarrant/Henderson (hopefully not...) in October.

I concur, the carrot for Lake isn't money, its playing well enough to get another contract, right now he's playing on edge because he wants to play that extra year. He's the exact type that needs to be on edge to play his best football....he isn't in demand due to his age, so Hawthorn can afford to push his buttons without any repercussions. ie; losing him to another club.

 

[No.19]

Is a straight up swap for Shoe worth a thought?

Brisbane would want more than that. Martin was one of the best (if not the best) ruckman in the second half of 2014. Maybe Schoey + first rounder + swap of 2nd or 3rd round picks

 

[Roughies Boys]

I want Danger!!!

 

[bato]

Brisbane would want more than that. Martin was one of the best (if not the best) ruckman in the second half of 2014. Maybe Schoey + first rounder + swap of 2nd or 3rd round picks

Without over-complicating the situation, I think the Lions would just accept the Hawks' first pick outright. No sweeteners.

 

[dipper86]

Brisbane would want more than that. Martin was one of the best (if not the best) ruckman in the second half of 2014. Maybe Schoey + first rounder + swap of 2nd or 3rd round picks

He's 29 years old in November....I wouldn't be going down that path for someone in that age bracket.
At best we'd be getting 3 to 4 years out of him....its giving too much up.
He's a very nice player though.

 

[dipper86]

I want Danger!!!

Well go get him....come on Moosey, weave some magic.

 

[Roughies Boys]

Well go get him....come on Moosey, weave some magic.

Tried, not as confident as I was for Frawley.

 

[No.19]

He's 29 years old in November....I wouldn't be going down that path for someone in that age bracket.
At best we'd be getting 3 to 4 years out of him....giving too much up.

Lake was 31 when we got him. Hale could easily retire this year, and acquiring Martin could keep us in flag contention for 2016 (going on the re-signings of Hodge, Mitchell and Burgoyne)

 

[No.19]

Without over-complicating the situation, I think the Lions would just accept the Hawks' first pick outright. No sweeteners.

First round pick for Martin seems like unders to me. I must rate him higher than others do.

 

[bato]

First round pick for Martin seems like unders to me. I must rate him higher than others do.

Well, he's great but not amazing. His work around the ground is good, as long as he doesn't kick the ball (look away). Will thrive up forward in a better side though, plenty of times he's been thrown up forward and come up against the best defenders in the comp. Roughy, Gunston, Breust as targets up forward should see Martin lift another level.

 

[dipper86]

Lake was 31 when we got him. Hale could easily retire this year, and acquiring Martin could keep us in flag contention for 2016 (going on the re-signings of Hodge, Mitchell and Burgoyne)

Yeh, but the point is that we didn't sell the bank to acquire a 30 year old, your idea is to give up a player(Shoey), plus our first round pick with a swap of 2nd and 3rd round picks....its madness.

Haw received: Lake and pick 27
WB received: pick 21 & 41

 

[Oddhawk]

Well, he's great but not amazing. His work around the ground is good, as long as he doesn't kick the ball (look away). Will thrive up forward in a better side though, plenty of times he's been thrown up forward and come up against the best defenders in the comp. Roughy, Gunston, Breust as targets up forward should see Martin lift another level.

Which makes Shoey surplus

 

[Procrastinator35]

Well I suppose but then I called myself Dipper and it's not as if I can be relied upon to charge around like a force of nature whacking people right, left and centre and bringing a smile to everyone else's faces.

And I'd be pretty certain that if I punctured my lung I'd cease doing whatever it was that I was doing and have a good whinge and groan and pack myself off to see the doctors.

So I'm certainly not going to hold anyone else to their username.

Yes....But you don't make-out like you can play footy like Bertie.

Without over-complicating the situation, I think the Lions would just accept the Hawks' first pick outright. No sweeteners.

Not going to happen for a 29 y/o ruckman whose been injury plagued his whole career....Fact is, you'll lose both he & Lewy, so you'll be needing Hale....That means a direct swap & we'll throw in Schoey for your 3rd rounder.

 

[Homeless Midget]

Wouldn't give up anything more than hale 4 Martin , inside mid is where we will target , thoughts if 1st rounders and shoey are just crazy and will never happen , you don't win flags with ruck men

 

[Brishawk]

Stefan Martin is better then Hale in the ruck and around the ground.

But he is a terrible forward.

 

[Gunstall555]

What about this - McEvoy and Suckling compo (Brisbane pay him properly so you get a better trade!) for Stef Martin & Aish. If Adelaide want to match a Danger offer, trade on Aish, 1st round draft pick and Tim O'Brien/Schoey (whichever one is willing to go). Trade Hale to GC for Gorringe who they are probably going to delist anyway so that we have a little ruck depth for Ceglar and Martin.

 

[Coathanger]

Martin is the classic Jesse White. Finally done something in a season and everyone thinks he's a gun(Bet the Pies regret that call now)
No thanks!

 

[Great 2008]

You can hold me to mine

And mine

 

[cryptor]

Martin is the classic Jesse White. Finally done something in a season and everyone thinks he's a gun(Bet the Pies regret that call now)
No thanks!

He was pretty good last season too...

 

[nickrebellious]

Martin is the classic Jesse White. Finally done something in a season and everyone thinks he's a gun(Bet the Pies regret that call now)
No thanks!

Completely different from Jesse White. There was rumours last year we wanted him and this was after we got McEvoy. Honestly in the top 5 ruckmen in the league.

 

[MrPremiership]

First Round picks in 2015 and 2016 plus Hartung would get the deal done for O'Meara

Hartung not officially signed yet

 

[Great 2008]

What is going on up in Brissy? Surely it is not the worst place to live and play footy? Players can't wait to get out.

Not sure what poor old Suckers would be making of all this. Leave my mates and a premiership side or grab the cash and jump aboard an un-seaworthy vessel (not quite a sinking ship).

 

[Great 2008]

First Round picks in 2015 and 2016 plus Hartung would get the deal done for O'Meara

Hartung not officially signed yet

IMO Hartung is exactly who we need to hang onto if we get O'Meara. However in relation to O'Meara there is some risk. Will he reach his potential?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ow-see-the-light/story-fnia415y-1227357676002

 

[kirbatron]

Id have Omeara right at the top of the list. Ill do cartwheels naked down bourke st if we get him.

 

[nickrebellious]

IMO Hartung is exactly who we need to hang onto if we get O'Meara. However in relation to O'Meara there is some risk. Will he reach his potential?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ow-see-the-light/story-fnia415y-1227357676002

I've done my ACL and I've had a mate who has done this. Supposedly O'Meara's injury takes a slightly longer time to come back from but tendon's have healing properties that ligaments don't. With my mate they stretched his blown tendon and sewed it to the bone and he has been fine ever since. With ACL's they actually use a tendon graft from the hamstring to replace the ligament. In theory the athlete should be able to use the knee after 6 months but because it's not natural the body starts to reject it, weakening it before the body becomes accustomed to it. The surgeon also has to attach both ends of the ligament to their respective bones in the right spot as apposed to one with a blown tendon. This i why the knee reconstruction is such a rough recovery.

Also(touch wood), Roughead tore his Achilles Tendon and we haven't heard a word since.