List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Free agency and draft rumours

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

For two first round draft picks I'd be saying No.
But if Lake goes around again next year......Carlise Roughead Gunston in our forward line. We finally have a contested marking forward. It does wet the appetite a bit.

If we were to get Carlisle we would not be wasting him in the front half. He is one of the best CHB in the comp

 

[Dipper]

Essendon players might find they'll get where they want for very little fuss if they agree not to sue the club for negligence.

It's an interesting idea but it would require them to keep every single player happy which would probably have more disastrous consequences than them having their arses sued off.

I mean if you let half your list leave for unders you're royally buggered.

 

[Clarkos_Soldier]

I'm not sure if you've heard every angle on this so we shall wait and see. I wouldn't dismiss it so easily.

If you read the decision, the tribunal while acknowledging that players may have been given TB4, was simply not able to point to any evidence to prove that Essendon in fact obtained and injected its players with TB4. On that basis, it will be very hard to win an appeal. But what makes a tribunal different is that it is not a court of law. In a court case an appeal is not a new case. You appeal on the basis that there was some error made in applying the law, which means the facts of the case and the supporting evidence are as presented during the trial. However, in a tribunal case such as this, three Arbitrators make the decision so they can hear everything all over again. In my personal view it is possible that Arbitrators who are not judges might reach a different decision. However, if the player did not knowingly take the TB4, which seems to be the case based on the tribunal case, then how could the Arbitration result in two year bans to the players? Under the law they would be innocent participants and victims and those in charge of the program would be the guilty parties.

 

[dipper86]

If we were to get Carlisle we would not be wasting him in the front half. He is one of the best CHB in the comp

If we have Lake playing along with Frawley, we have no need for Carlise down back at that point in time...instead we make a forward line more potent by adding a player that has the ability to take a contested pack mark, which is what we currently don't have.

 

[cryptor]

It's an interesting idea but it would require them to keep every single player happy which would probably have more disastrous consequences than them having their arses sued off.

I mean if you let half your list leave for unders you're royally buggered.

I'd argue you'd be far far worse off with a class action against you. Players would either win in court or receive huge settlements outside of it. Either way Essendon is ****ed. 5 lean years of drafting/development would be a small price.

 

[Argy]

However, if the player did not knowingly take the TB4, which seems to be the case based on the tribunal case, then how could the Arbitration result in two year bans to the players? Under the law they would be innocent participants and victims and those in charge of the program would be the guilty parties

It is not a court of law. The WADA code is written around the notion of strict liability. This means that motive or intent does not matter. If a banned substance enters an athlete's body they are guilty whether they consciously decided to take it or not. The penalty can only be waived if, basically, someone injected a substance into them while they were unconscious.

If they are "innocent victims" as you put it, they could sue Dank and EFC in a court of law, but they would still be guilty under the WADA code.

 

[Brant]

Could Carlisle play forward/2nd ruck in Hale's role?

With Roughy & Gunners as mobile bigs & Breuster / Cyril as mobile med/smalls he could fit in quite well. Would need to ruck 5-7 mins per quarter to help Big Boy get through. Also means we get another year out of Lake (FB) as Brand & Kiwi transition.

Wait, is he the one that cries when played FF or is that Cale Sooker?

Either way, if he can't play FF yet then he's got 2 years to learn the role

If we have Lake playing along with Frawley, we have no need for Carlise down back at that point in time...instead we make a forward line more potent by adding a player that has the ability to take a contested pack mark, which is what we currently don't have.

I posted something a couple of days back & totally agree.

 

[Dewnior]

Because Adelaide will match our comparatively modest offer.

History doesnt support your argument.

 

[madhawksfan]

Heatherley/Stratton Frawley Duryea
Howe Carlisle Birchall
Smith Dangerfield Hill
Bruest Gunston Rioli
Ceglar Roughie Schoey/TOB
McEvoy Lewis Shiels
Jed, Langford, Hartung, O'Rourke

Even without Hodge, Mitch and Silk that is a pretty fair side for the future.

 

[lickmerocks]

I always like to log in for some light relief and get away from the Essendon drug saga and I see there are 5 pages on it here relating to Carlisle.

Question to ponder- If Hawthorn were considering Jake Carlisle as a great long term replacement for Brian Lake do you really think the club would contemplate picking him up if he was going to face a long term drug ban?

I think we all know the answer to this-

This board is great for opinions and banter however every single time we want to recruit another player from another club (Burgoyne Lake Gibson Hale) we go into meltdown because they were not "born with Hawthorn blood in there veins"

Carlisle (if we get him) like Frawley will eventually be a terrific defender that is versatile and can pinch hit in
multiple positions for us for the next 8-10 years so I am not sure why anyone would think

A) the club would not be doing its homework on Jake and the potential outcome of the Drug findings later this year and potential bans
B) That this guy who was the best full back in the comp and was moved forward so Hurley who was a rubbish forward could play back

If you don't recruit in this comp and always attempt to become better you become irrelevant very quickly.

If Jake is really in our sights and the talk/ rumours are not BS then we make sure we do everything we can to get him.

 

[The Chairman]

History doesnt support your argument.

No, but given there is no suggestion of a godfather offer for PD, logic suggests matching the offer would be the most pragmatic and beneficial move for Adelaide

 

[Gaston]

If Carlisle were to get a 2 year ban it could be advantageous for the Hawks. Realistically it could take that long to fix his kicking.
Those wanting him in the forward line have a good hard look at yourselves.

 

[cryptor]

If we do get Carlisle and if he can play with us from early next year then I'd be playing him at CHB. I'd also still be offering Lake a contract and keeping him as back up for FB and for FF.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

So Henderson has requested a trade from Carlton.

Geelong/Collingwood absolutely mauling clubs...but where is the uproar?

 

[Blaze Storm]

Would you pay 2x 1st Rounders + Savage for Big Boy?

No, but I think when the club made that deal, they expected to get more from the Franklin compo.

 

[Roughies Boys]

No, but given there is no suggestion of a godfather offer for PD, logic suggests matching the offer would be the most pragmatic and beneficial move for Adelaide

Not really... you can't say to me Frawley got paid big money from us... because he didn't & Melbourne got a first round pick. Adelaide should realize if Danger picked us the'd get pick 10 or 11 still depending on where they finish through Compo & if they matched the bid that brings them back to pick 18+

 

[Boxhead182]

1990crow said: ↑
Hawks will be done soon, aging. End of next year last chance at a flag for a period I would think.

Just seen this crow bloke post this in one of the rumour threads.

Cringed reading it tbh but laughed

 

[Boundary Writer]

Not really... you can't say to me Frawley got paid big money from us... because he didn't & Melbourne got a first round pick. Adelaide should realize if Danger picked us the'd get pick 10 or 11 still depending on where they finish through Compo & if they matched the bid that brings them back to pick 18+

I can see Adelaide doing some damage in the finals (if they make it) and potentially finishing 5th or 6th post finals if they have a good run.
Even if they finish 7th they'd get pick 12 as compo (pending any other teams receiving compo picks inside the first round). Hawthorn's pick may only be 4-6 picks behind that, not a lot in a weakish draft which is very even outside the top 8-10.
Our first pick next year is probably already worth the equivalent to a pick at approx 8-10 this year as the draft is one of the better ones for the last handful of years.
So the Crows may focus on the better pick in a stronger draft next year and this years pick is a bit of a bonus. Who knows, we may even throw the Suckling compo pick their way and then they have actually done pretty well out of the deal.

 

[The Chairman]

Not really... you can't say to me Frawley got paid big money from us... because he didn't & Melbourne got a first round pick. Adelaide should realize if Danger picked us the'd get pick 10 or 11 still depending on where they finish through Compo & if they matched the bid that brings them back to pick 18+

Unless they held firm for two first rounders +/- a player.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Carlisle to Carlton makes no sense to me.

Here's a bloke telling teammates and opposition players that "this club is ******", and then he's willing to be traded to Carlton, in a wooden spoon year....

If he really does end up at Carlton then he's the dumbest bloke in the league.

 

[seysearles]

Terry thinks Hawks are up to something (from 8.55mins)....

https://soundcloud.com/thezonepodca...ndcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter

 

[wahawk]

Was thinking the same Echols.

If you know your club is f##ked, stating the obvious, then a smart person would probably start looking at the top of the ladder & work down from there as to which club would be best for them.
You wouldn't start at the bottom, which is why I highly doubt Carlton is on his list

If I were him, I'd be looking at Hawks, Doggies, Pies & Saints as my only options in Melb, maybe Tiges.
Hawks for instant success, the rest have good chance of not to distant future success, imo

 

[MrPremiership]

not all players are driven by success and premierships.

some just play for cash.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Carlisle to Carlton makes no sense to me.

Here's a bloke telling teammates and opposition players that "this club is ******", and then he's willing to be traded to Carlton, in a wooden spoon year....

If he really does end up at Carlton then he's the dumbest bloke in the league.

Hearing stories about Jakey-Jake, he's definitely not the brighest bloke in the league.

 

[mustang]

All the talk about us going after danger still think this is a smoke screen for something else.