gillo94
Norm Smith Medallist
So when does Carltons cycle go top?
Tough question, no real way to answer. Old saying sometimes you need to go backwards to go forward.
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So when does Carltons cycle go top?
I don't think Sam Fisher is at the end of the line either. But ARR was the one that brought in CD points to reflect his view that he isn't. That's all his post was about (post number 255, that is).
Didn't ignore it, just pointed out that Champion Data points for key defenders are of limited use. It has been reflected consistently in my posts.
Haha this is funny! The dees have turned over half the list in two also, the idea however is to get rid of your CRAP players first.
Youre going to provide plenty of midweek entertainment this year gillo.
Cripps, buckley, menzel only young players with promise weve seen so far
Huh? I didnt rag on any kids, in fact i praised threeNo need to rag on the kids is their? Just have to wait til season starts and monitor progression
Huh? I didnt rag on any kids, in fact i praised three
WTF? I mentioned his champion data points once, in one line, how is that "rabbiting on" about them? The rest was just mentioning individual aspects of his game that the AFL prospectus said he was still performing at an elite level at.you lot were rabbiting on about Champion Data points to measure his worth as a key position defender when it's only a small part of their value.
Of course he did, I know how good Darren Glass is and never questioned it. You were the one who brought him up out of the clear blue sky though and started comparing him to Fisher, so I just showed how different their stats were to support my view that they were completely different types and that you weren't really comparing apples to apples and as such it was a pretty irrelevant argument, even if Glass had something to do with the topic of who would finish bottom this year.Like you pointed out, Darren Glass rarely got much of the ball and his CD points were shit (you never picked him in DT or Supercoach for instance) - but yet he still made All Australian and is widely regarded as one of the finest KPDs of the past decade.
Blues depth is unknown. You're hopeful.Add Bulldogs there!
Blues have grown depth and turned over more than half the list over last 2 years! Depth case might be valid 2 years ago but not now where reserves and rookies from years back starting to knock on the seniors door
While Saints, Dogs, Demons, GWS are still in the AFL, I see us finishing ahead of them unless we get hit hard with injuries but have to think positive
Don't worry, we'll know when they're coming...So when does Carltons cycle go top?
**** me, Carlton are 2nd favourites? People genuinely think teams like Melbourne, Dogs and Brisbane will finish ahead of us?
We haven't had Garlett at his best for years now, he is a one-dimensional full forward that had off-field issues and always had a problem with work ethic. He will benefit from a fresh start but I doubt Melbourne are banking on him to become a star.
Waite? Meh, was good when on, but was injured and suspended far too often. It's like when Fev left after he kicked 80+ goals, people actually thought we would kick 80 less goals. We found other avenues to goal and actually made the 8 that year.
We have a very healthy list and will boast a midfield of Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy and Judd come round 1, as well as players like Thomas, Simpson, Walker and Menzel capable of running through there. Doesn't sound like a bottom 4 midfield at all.
Our back line is also looking steady with Jamison, Rowe and White usually beating their opponents most weeks. Touhy, Buckley and Simpson aren't bad rebounding players either.
Forward line is looking shallow. Jones might do ok but he might not, Casboult will do well holding down a spot but he simply needs to learn how to kick. Henderson will take the number 1 forward and be capable of kicking 2-3 week. Menzel, Walker and the rest of our resting mids will be more than capable of playing the small forward roles.
People who say we have 0 youth haven't actually looked at our list. We're not setting the world on fire but the foundations are there.
Anyway, St Kilda to finish bottom but a smoky to be GWS or Brisbane.
Brisbane should finish ahead of Carlton. We boast an excellent midfield and our defense conceded the second least amount of goals during the second half of the year, but due to our age profile and developing list were still prone to the odd blow out. Our tall forwards are still developing but they'll be getting top notch delivery from our midfield and as long as they can provide a big body to bring the ball down our mozzie squad can keep the scoreboard ticking over.**** me, Carlton are 2nd favourites? People genuinely think teams like Melbourne, Dogs and Brisbane will finish ahead of us?
We haven't had Garlett at his best for years now, he is a one-dimensional full forward that had off-field issues and always had a problem with work ethic. He will benefit from a fresh start but I doubt Melbourne are banking on him to become a star.
Waite? Meh, was good when on, but was injured and suspended far too often. It's like when Fev left after he kicked 80+ goals, people actually thought we would kick 80 less goals. We found other avenues to goal and actually made the 8 that year.
We have a very healthy list and will boast a midfield of Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy and Judd come round 1, as well as players like Thomas, Simpson, Walker and Menzel capable of running through there. Doesn't sound like a bottom 4 midfield at all.
Our back line is also looking steady with Jamison, Rowe and White usually beating their opponents most weeks. Touhy, Buckley and Simpson aren't bad rebounding players either.
Forward line is looking shallow. Jones might do ok but he might not, Casboult will do well holding down a spot but he simply needs to learn how to kick. Henderson will take the number 1 forward and be capable of kicking 2-3 week. Menzel, Walker and the rest of our resting mids will be more than capable of playing the small forward roles.
People who say we have 0 youth haven't actually looked at our list. We're not setting the world on fire but the foundations are there.
Anyway, St Kilda to finish bottom but a smoky to be GWS or Brisbane.
Don't worry, we'll know when they're coming...
You're definitely a glass half full person. If blues aren't bottom 4 (which I think they will be), they will be bottom 5.**** me, Carlton are 2nd favourites? People genuinely think teams like Melbourne, Dogs and Brisbane will finish ahead of us?
We haven't had Garlett at his best for years now, he is a one-dimensional full forward that had off-field issues and always had a problem with work ethic. He will benefit from a fresh start but I doubt Melbourne are banking on him to become a star.
Waite? Meh, was good when on, but was injured and suspended far too often. It's like when Fev left after he kicked 80+ goals, people actually thought we would kick 80 less goals. We found other avenues to goal and actually made the 8 that year.
We have a very healthy list and will boast a midfield of Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy and Judd come round 1, as well as players like Thomas, Simpson, Walker and Menzel capable of running through there. Doesn't sound like a bottom 4 midfield at all.
Our back line is also looking steady with Jamison, Rowe and White usually beating their opponents most weeks. Touhy, Buckley and Simpson aren't bad rebounding players either.
Forward line is looking shallow. Jones might do ok but he might not, Casboult will do well holding down a spot but he simply needs to learn how to kick. Henderson will take the number 1 forward and be capable of kicking 2-3 week. Menzel, Walker and the rest of our resting mids will be more than capable of playing the small forward roles.
People who say we have 0 youth haven't actually looked at our list. We're not setting the world on fire but the foundations are there.
Anyway, St Kilda to finish bottom but a smoky to be GWS or Brisbane.
None of which are reasons for carlton to go backwards, besides waite of course. All other factors you listed influenced our 2014 season and we were closer to the 8 then a spoon then.- You have no depth.
- Far too reliant on Judd whose body isn't as reliable as it used to be.
- Only decent target up forward was Waite and he's no longer there.
- Outside of Menzel there's no standout youth there.
- Malthouse isn't the man for Carlton to rebuild with, the game has flown right by him.
Comment completely made out of ignorance, do you go and watch 18 vfl/sanfl/wafl/neafl clubs play each week to see this youth? No I didn't think so just using your rose tinted view on your own youth hoping everyone else's is worse.You have one of the worst youth in the comp. Saints would be a fraction behind Carlton
North's?If Carlton's isn't the "worst" in the comp, then who's is?
None of which are reasons for carlton to go backwards, besides waite of course. All other factors you listed influenced our 2014 season and we were closer to the 8 then a spoon then.
The issue is people can't see where the improvement will come from. On the other hand they can see where all of the other teams will improve.
The only 2 teams I cant see any improvement in are Carlton and StKilda, and I think more of the Saints than the Blues sooooo.
I thought about North when I was wondering about this recently and I guess it depends on when you consider "youth" ends, but if you went by the currently 23yo and younger group, North have Ziebell, Cunnington, McDonald, Atley, Brown, Mullett, Bastinac, Jacobs, Turner, Macmillan, Dumont, Durdin, Wood, Garner, Vickers-Willis, Daw, etc and that's a pretty solid and largely proven group right there, who are all currently under 24yo (or at least were as of the start of the year- I went with all those born in 1991 or later), so they have a lot of good young talent that you would bank on going forward. They apparently haven't traded their 1st or 2nd picks in any of the last 7 drafts, so with that being the case you would expect they would have a pretty useful group there.North's?
North's?