List Mgmt. 2016 Draft Prospects(Poll Added)

[TBOW]

Sounds like Simpkin is going to go top ten

Yeah that's a shame. He looks a cut above.
Haven't really been that impressed with a lot of the highlight reels this year.

 

[TBOW]

The issue with Marshall from my perspective is that, historically, junior production is the best predictor of future success for key forwards - much more than for other positions. More often than not, if you don't perform in the under 18s as a key forward, you never perform at AFL level. Marshall's production seems to have been pretty poor and well below expectations.

Now, it is of course not foolproof, and Marshall could be an exception. That's for the recruiters to decide. That said, though, it's easy to get swayed by athleticism and potential - there's a bit more to it than that though, for key forwards especially. Marshall fails arguably the most important test of all for his position.

Yeah it's a definite concern but champion data still have him ranked 29th of the draft crop so his production can't have been that terrible.

I also think his agility and speed would be very appealing to us. We currently seem to value forward pressure & impacting or halving contests far more than marks or goals so the traditional measures for a forwards production may not concern us.

I like him at 19 and I think he is a great compliment for Boyd. Something about his clean takes and the way he move remind me of Jeremy Cameron.

 

[murphy2bedabest]

we have the luxury of time on our hands if we do draft English, both Roughead and Campbell are both mid 20s and boyd is still only 21, this rucking combo can stick together with any luck for another 4-5 years.

we don't have the pressure to bring in English straight away, he can Develop his game at VFL level in all 3 areas if we wish, and we can tailor his development to what we want.

People need to forget about the Grants jones cordys wrights panos' ect of the world that we couldn't develop, we now have our own VFL side who in the 3 years its been around has won 2 flags. we control how we want our players to play and where, we know longer have them playing development Footy with Williamstown.

Our Development system is much better these days and will only get stronger, the one thing this premiership has done is that we now have the money coming in that we can beef up our footy department if we want.

so for guys like english or marshall if Dal thinks they are worth using pick 18 on, then i'm all for it as i know trust our development systems.

 

[Mofra]

Yeah it's a definite concern but champion data still have him ranked 29th of the draft crop so his production can't have been that terrible.

Champion data ranked Bonti in the 60s, Honeychurch was 15th.

The data isn't always right, potential / ceiling is the aim. Having said that, KPFs are a weird bunch - pretty much every one that has come in and done well at AFL level has dominated u18s, with a few left field selections as outliers (Kurt Tippett & Jack Redpath are two).

 

[VitalDread]

I have enough faith in Steve Grace and the development coaches to get the best out of any player we draft when not playing afl

 

[giblj]

Is there a list somewhere of the players who have been invited to the draft?

 

[VitalDread]

I feel like Sam Powell-Pepper is a clay smith type player but with better skills

 

[VitalDread]

Also i believe Bevo kid is training at Casey Scorpions will confirm tomorrow and become best mates with him

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Also i believe Bevo kid is training at Casey Scorpions will confirm tomorrow and become best mates with him

I thought I was your best mate since we had a drink one time

 

[VitalDread]

I thought I was your best mate since we had a drink one time

with those shorts, how could i say no

 

[VitalDread]

Is there a list somewhere of the players who have been invited to the draft?

most players won't know till next wednesday or thursday

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Is Kerr too much of a reach at our second pick? Why is he rated below Battle and Marshall?

 

[goodcop badcop]

Cedric Cox would be a great get at pick 26, wouldn't mind him even at 18. Saw him play in one of the finals. He didn't do a lot across half back, so they pushed him up to half forward. I think he only had 10 possessions, but I counted 3 of his possessions were direct goal assists and another 4 of his possessions ended up up in scores from scoring chains. He also kicked a goal himself. Very damaging player and can kick it very well on both sides of his body. His tackling and defensive work rate is already high quality as well. Improved a lot as the season went on. He's a very driven character apparently, so he's someone that should do good in a full time environment.

 

[VitalDread]

Is Kerr too much of a reach at our second pick? Why is he rated below Battle and Marshall?

Think Kerr is just a forward while Battle and Marshall have a bigger tank and can play different roles

 

[goodcop badcop]

Is Kerr too much of a reach at our second pick? Why is he rated below Battle and Marshall?

I think he could slide to our 3rd pick to be honest. Not a good athlete that lacks a bit of presence and is not a great size at 193cm. I have serious doubts on him making the grade.

 

[VitalDread]

I think he could slide to our 3rd pick to be honest. Not a good athlete that lacks a bit of presence and is not a great size at 193cm. I have serious doubts on him making the grade.

reece mckenzie mk 2?

 

[bobs head soup]

The issue with Marshall from my perspective is that, historically, junior production is the best predictor of future success for key forwards - much more than for other positions. More often than not, if you don't perform in the under 18s as a key forward, you never perform at AFL level. Marshall's production seems to have been pretty poor and well below expectations.

Now, it is of course not foolproof, and Marshall could be an exception. That's for the recruiters to decide. That said, though, it's easy to get swayed by athleticism and potential - there's a bit more to it than that though, for key forwards especially. Marshall fails arguably the most important test of all for his position.

I think with Marshall it's important to factor in that AFL hasn't been his first sport and he's never had a proper pre-season, so his potential for growth is far greater than most players he would be compared against. Evaluating the potential against those with greater current output is pretty much what Dal does better than anyone, if he is for Marshall, I'd be very excited to get him.

 

[goodcop badcop]

reece mckenzie mk 2?

He actually reminds me of a Geelong player probably no one remembers. Scott Simpson was his name. Dominated VFL level, I think kicked 8 goals one game, but he never had the athletic capabilities and presence to make it. Matt Panos is an ok comparison as well.

 

[VitalDread]

My Phantom Draft

Pick 18: Sam Powell-Pepper
Size: 186cm/83kg
Position: Midfield/Half-Forward

Pick 26 Jordan Ridley
Size: 192cm/79kg
Position: Utility

Pick 50: Dylan Clarke
185.7cm | 83.4kg
Insidemidfielder

Pick 75: Ben Long
Forward

Rookie Picks:
Pick 18: Mitch McCarthy
Ruck 196cm
Pick 36- Josh Prudden

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Cedric Cox would be a great get at pick 26, wouldn't mind him even at 18. Saw him play in one of the finals. He didn't do a lot across half back, so they pushed him up to half forward. I think he only had 10 possessions, but I counted 3 of his possessions were direct goal assists and another 4 of his possessions ended up up in scores from scoring chains. He also kicked a goal himself. Very damaging player and can kick it very well on both sides of his body. His tackling and defensive work rate is already high quality as well. Improved a lot as the season went on. He's a very driven character apparently, so he's someone that should do good in a full time environment.

Poor mans Cyril?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

My Phantom Draft

Pick 18: Sam Powell-Pepper
Size: 186cm/83kg
Position: Midfield/Half-Forward

Pick 26 Jordan Ridley
Size: 192cm/79kg
Position: Utility

Pick 50: Dylan Clarke
185.7cm | 83.4kg
Insidemidfielder

Pick 75: Ben Long
Forward

Rookie Picks:
Pick 18: Mitch McCarthy
Ruck 196cm
Pick 36- Josh Prudden

I thought you were banging for Battle? A Battle-banger?

 

[goodcop badcop]

Poor mans Cyril?

Not sure that's the exact description I'd use, but close. Hasn't got the aerial or crumbing ability of Cyril and isn't as freakish. I think his ball use is a bit better then Cyril though or has more potential to be.

 

[VitalDread]

I thought you were banging for Battle? A Battle-banger?

Reckon Bombers will take him at 20
They need forwards that can run alongside Joe

 

[VitalDread]

I feel like lions will take Marshall at 16 if they still have the pick (not matching)

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Reckon Bombers will take him at 20
They need forwards that can run alongside Joe

I'd take him before Powell-Pepper I reckon.