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They will become also rans overnight.
Mitchell, hodge & Burgoyne were their superstars. There have been countless times one of the 3 took a game by the scruff of the neck and carried the Hawks to victory. Rioli and rough did their best work off the back of those 3. As did Lewis gunston and Gibson.
The poppys Breust and smiths looked quite average when their key 3 were down.
In saying that, the Hawks are aggressively pursuing their next generation of leaders. But those 3 players were made of something else. They're not going to be easily replaced. Even with highly talented players coming in.
He stuck it right back at them thats for sure, dont blame him in a way.
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Wow... imagine he must have been pissed about the trade offer with GC to facilitate the JOM trade.
Hawthorn have stuffed this trade period up badly imo. They'll probably still land JOM though.
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Hawks also trying to offload Whitecross and Hartung.
Going to be interesting if true
Going to be interesting if true
They are trying to offer scraps to get JOM.
Damn, I doubt Lewis was happy to be thrown into the jom trade.
Hawthorn, the club that asks it's champions to buy into the team first ethos and take way unders to keep the team together, then at the drop of a hat, highly decorated champions of the club and vice captains are being tossed out with the bathwater.
I doubt many players will be buying into the culture next time Clarko comes around with a collection plate to keep the team competitive.
Hawthorn, the club that asks it's champions to buy into the team first ethos and take way unders to keep the team together, then at the drop of a hat, highly decorated champions of the club and vice captains are being tossed out with the bathwater.
I doubt many players will be buying into the culture next time Clarko comes around with a collection plate to keep the team competitive.
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Hartung doesn't seem like much of a player to me. WhiteX was actually playing good footy at the end of the year.
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You would have to think we can cross them off the race for 2017 flag... Going to take some time to get in synch with a third of your team changed, no matter how good Clarkson is
Agree the Hawks were always going to have this issue when they had so much success. They didn't turn over the core list. The loss of Hale and Lake hurt as they haven't replaced them.
Hodge is a number 1 draft pick and Roughead a number 2 pick so there best players have been top end draft talent over the years. Even with some trading JOM and Mitchell neither may reach their levels.
There problem this year is that their younger players haven't developed. Where are Langford and O'Rouke these days. Hence the reliance on the older players to carry them.
They may be near the cliff but at least they are aware of it. Who knows maybe their younger players will come through like ours did this year.
They are already out of the race thats why they are doing this.
I'm calling it now. Hawthorn is done. They may remain competitive, but they're dynasty has crumbled. And every player that comes onto the list will remember this period.
When asked to take a pay cut, players will have this moment firmly in their minds when deciding whether to agree to a cut or move on elsewhere.
Hawthorn will not be able to keep its list together as well as they have been over the last few years. The gloss has well and trully come off and everyone should be able to see what's beneath the surface at hawthorn.
When asked to take a pay cut, players will have this moment firmly in their minds when deciding whether to agree to a cut or move on elsewhere.
Hawthorn will not be able to keep its list together as well as they have been over the last few years. The gloss has well and trully come off and everyone should be able to see what's beneath the surface at hawthorn.
It stings less when you make every opportunity count, compare the difference since 2012 one flag vs three.
Yer they are done with that group but they but boy they made the most of it.
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Do you think? I thought they were being prudent.. ie they could still have been close in 2017 but would have fallen of the cliff in 2018, so they are doing it now to avoid the cliff altogether
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Hawks trade period could really go either way.
All the talk about x amount of free cap. Think a fair portion would be chewed up by Vickery, Titch and JOM. Especially if the old blokes are all on peanuts as they have conrinually said.
Not sure their fans realise a player has to nominate 2 years worth of contract terms in PSD.
All the talk about x amount of free cap. Think a fair portion would be chewed up by Vickery, Titch and JOM. Especially if the old blokes are all on peanuts as they have conrinually said.
Not sure their fans realise a player has to nominate 2 years worth of contract terms in PSD.
They got the most out of it. But they should not have tossed out their champions. Imo it undoes all the good work he had done in developing a culture where players bought into the team at all costs.
He's doing the right thing for the future of the club. No doubt about that. But each individual will question the cost of their loyalty.
Knowing that the team will move on quickly from the individual will have individuals questioning how much of a sacrifice they're willing to take given it won't be reciprocated when the shoe is on the other foot.
There are boundaries, and hawthorn have well and trully crossed them.
On field success at the cost of culture, which is what brought them sustained success in the first place.
All this shows to me is that Clarko is driven by success at all costs. Which has its benefits, but also has undeniable drawbacks.
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'what's under the surface at hawthorn'...
IMO, that playing group staying together for the last few years supposedly for the 'good of the club' has also been for the good of those players. At no other club could they have had that success (ie threepeat and possible fourpeat) at this time. So taking unders was for their benefit as much as the clubs. They will be remembered in their club as greats, and if they'd pulled off the fourpeat, as they greatest Hawthorn team of all time.
If &/or when the chance comes around again, no matter at which club, every player in the team will take unders to be part of it!
I'm not a hawthorn fan, I don't much like the way the play and the whole #freekickhawthorn drives me insane... but having said that, they were a great team. It's over now and I for one am sad that we didn't get one last chance to thrash the team as it was!
Let's say Hartung 250k, Whitecross 300k, Lewis 450k, Sam Mitchelll 600k.
That's a total of $1.6M cleared in their cap.
Let'say coming in we have Tom Mitchell 600k, Vickery 500k, JOM 700k!
That's a total of $1.8M going out.
I fail to see what the Hawks are trying to achieve other than panicking to squeeze much loved players into their cap.
They are selling their souls because they are desperate to bring in some guns because Clarko has always coached a team of guns. Ge has failed to develop any young players of significance. In fact it is not unlike what Ross Lyon did at the Saints, jyst that Clarko has plenty points inthe bank because his guns got him those 3 flags in a row with some of them there for 2008.
That is the constant. The nucleus of players.Mitchell, Hodge, Rioli, Birchall, Roughead, Lewis. After 2008, Gibson & Burgoyne were added.
That's the nucleus of Clarko's reign at tbe top. Apart from Lake, it didn't matter who they brought in as free agents because that nucleus pulled them in the right direction. You can also add one more very important calming ingredient. Fagan! Clarko's calming right hand man who had ripper relationships with these great players.
That is now finished with Fagan at Brisbane. I thought that Tom Mitchell would benefit most from playing alongside Smitch & Lewis.
Now Tom has to become a gun in his own right with an unknown quantity by his side in JOM.
Has Clarko got the stomach to put up with Tom's deficiencies?
Without Fagan by his side to calm him, I don't think he can.
He is used to winning at all costs.
I hope in season 2017 the Hawks have plenty of plasterers on hand for when Tom slams the ball quickly onto his boot from the pressure of the number one stopper that he sill be asigned week in week out now that he is expected to the number one ball winner at the Hawks.
Interesting, desperate times at Hawthorn the aay I see it unfolding.
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Good on him
4 time premiership coach knows whats going on
When you really think about it is there much difference between dumping ROK in the NEAFL or trading him for pick 80?
Same thing imo.
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