List Mgmt. 2016 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[dlanod]

Short of tall forwards, though, behind Jezza, General & Lobb. Would have thought at least one, if not two, of Macreadie/Garthwaite/Sproule was warranted.

Agree on that. It's why I was keen on Sproule making his way to our list. Hoping it will eventuate even as a rookie.

 

[Mullayo]

I reckon Mohr re-signing meant we felt we had no list room for defenders after Davis, Corr, Mohr, Himmelberg, Finlayson, Haynes and Buntine.

Worried about Patful's retirement. He was a steadying influence. Would have been a whole lot happier with McGrath.

 

[Determinant]

Just home from the draft, was an interesting night.
My thoughts without having time to digest or research;
Taranto - Big tick, I have rated him for ages, would have preferred McGrath and don't blame the club trading up for a shot at him, Taranto would also totally have been there at 3.
Setterfield - Tick, as expected
Perryman - Was concerned about how we'd emerge from matching a bid inside 12 so happy get him with 14
Cumming - Would have preferred a later bid at the time, as it turned out didn't matter
Tiziani - Didn't personally rate him prior to the draft, but happy to be proven wrong
but then..
De Boer - What the actual ****, seriously, could barely get a game in one of the worst teams in the AFL last year, whilst fit, doesn't work for me in any conceivable role, if we want coaches we can get them without using list spots, hell we can even rookie another one, this is a lunatic pick.

Utterly stunned that we turned pick 58 into a potato whilst not matching or picking what appear to be viable options from within our academy.
Campbell is on a "high watch" alert for me

 

[Andre the Giant]

Just home from the draft, was an interesting night.
My thoughts without having time to digest or research;
Taranto - Big tick, I have rated him for ages, would have preferred McGrath and don't blame the club trading up for a shot at him, Taranto would also totally have been there at 3.
Setterfield - Tick, as expected
Perryman - Was concerned about how we'd emerge from matching a bid inside 12 so happy get him with 14
Cumming - Would have preferred a later bid at the time, as it turned out didn't matter
Tiziani - Didn't personally rate him prior to the draft, but happy to be proven wrong
but then..
De Boer - What the actual ****, seriously, could barely get a game in one of the worst teams in the AFL last year, whilst fit, doesn't work for me in any conceivable role, if we want coaches we can get them without using list spots, hell we can even rookie another one, this is a lunatic pick.

Utterly stunned that we turned pick 58 into a potato whilst not matching or picking what appear to be viable options from within our academy.
Campbell is on a "high watch" alert for me

Watch a replay of the De Boer drafting, Leon actually calls for it!

I personally am not unhappy with any of the List Management calls thus far. Time will tell but they had to get the priorities in which they managed.

 

[Andre the Giant]

 

[Determinant]

Watch a replay of the De Boer drafting, Leon actually calls for it!

I personally am not unhappy with any of the List Management calls thus far. Time will tell but they had to get the priorities in which they managed.

Recorded it so will watch tomorrow

 

[coniglio_number1]

Even Phil knows how bad #11 is!

 

[dlanod]

Recorded it so will watch tomorrow

Look out for the back of my head over someone's shoulder, or the side of my head behind the Essendon selectors!

 

[Determinant]

Look out for the back of my head over someone's shoulder, or the side of my head behind the Essendon selectors!

lol, I looked for the shirt but didn't spot it, we got there just as people were queuing to go in so didn't really get a chance to look around much

 

[Garlic muncher]

DE Boer IMO is a much better pick up than Rhys Palmer from Freo.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Rundown from the club on our selections:
Selection No.2 – Tim Taranto
Adrian Caruso says: "We like his versatility, we think early in his career he can make his way as a forward, but we know eventually he has all the attributes to be a big-bodied midfielder. His endurance is top end so we know he can run games out, but also love the fact that he's shown he can play forward."

Selection No.5 – Will Setterfield (matched Carlton's bid)
Adrian Caruso says: "He didn't have the greatest of years because he just couldn't get his body right, but when he did, he really showed what he's got. The club is pretty confident we've got a good player there who is still yet to show exactly what he's got."

Selection No.12 – Harry Perryman (matched Adelaide's bid)
Adrian Caruso says: "In terms of testing there's nothing there to suggest he's got great athleticism, but get him on a footy field, and he knows how to win the ball, and he's got the skills to distribute by hand or foot. He's a really good decision maker who is versatile enough to play back or forward."

Selection No.20 – Isaac Cumming (matched Sydney's bid)
Adrian Caruso says: "There's not too many players who have elite speed, as well as foot skills, but we think he can add some outside run for us as a half-back or on the wing."

Selection No.54 – Lachlan Tiziani
Adrian Caruso says: "He was overlooked by every club last year, but we thought he really came on in the second half of the year. We identified that we didn't have many natural forwards on our list so he definitely adds that because he's got plenty of footy smarts."

Selection No.58 – Matt de Boer
Adrian Caruso says: "We lost a lot of players over the trade period so we looked for a player who was ready-made, who adds character, work ethic and leadership for our younger guys. Leon (Cameron) was really impressed with him as a man who understands what he's coming across for."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-...taranto?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Also interesting to see Ainsworth wasn't seriously considered by us with us focusing on McGrath, Taranto and McCluggage for pick 2.

"As the year went on we narrowed our focus to three or four players, and Tim, Andy (McGrath), and Hugh (McCluggage) were the ones we really honed in on," he said. "But we just liked Tim's ability to back up week after week, and in the big games we saw at school footy, the national championships, and the TAC Cup finals, and he just kept standing up.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-25/giants-get-their-man-with-big-game-player-taranto

 

[coniglio_number1]

So with a senior list of 38 it seems safe to say that we aren't using the PSD as we could've still used picks in the draft.

We currently have 3 rookies in Reid, Lloyd and patfull so that leaves 3 open spots on the rookie list come Monday.

Given we nominated sproule and fisher I would like to assume that we will draft both. Leaving 1 open spot for the likes of Barrett, Byrne or even COA.

What are your predictions?

 

[dlanod]

I'm not sure what the story is with Fisher, but we've already nominated guys and passed on them even in the rookie draft before - Tiziani last year, for example.

 

[HARKER]

Is there a particular reason you guys didn't want Macreadie?

On face value it doesn't seem to make sense, so is there something more to the story?

 

[Colonial]

Is there a particular reason you guys didn't want Macreadie?

On face value it doesn't seem to make sense, so is there something more to the story?

Must be as everyone here is confused over it.

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[Bokonon_]

Is there a particular reason you guys didn't want Macreadie?

On face value it doesn't seem to make sense, so is there something more to the story?

Maybe we worried we'd just be giving him a trial for two years at AFL level for you guys long term?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Is there a particular reason you guys didn't want Macreadie?

On face value it doesn't seem to make sense, so is there something more to the story?

Clearly you didn't go back and read much of the thread. Everyone on this board was pretty universally shocked and some (including myself) even angry that we didn't take him. We have no idea why the club didn't want McCreadie. I hope we get some kind of info over the next little bit that explains it, but for the moment we are responsible for the two most mystifying decisions of the night - not matching for McCreadie and picking deBoer.

It does, of course, reinforce the whole WSU Blues thing as you've taken yet another one of our NEAFL players - that's what, 10 now? Jaksch, Phillips, Plowman, Sumner, Lamb, Pickett, Marchbank, Palmer, McCreadie, with only Whiley not there anymore.

I like how you wore orange socks last year for the boys, and see you're now even wearing orange as your training singlet next year. Should make the boys feel real at home.

 

[dlanod]

Is there a particular reason you guys didn't want Macreadie?

On face value it doesn't seem to make sense, so is there something more to the story?

Gut feel is that we moved him up to Sydney at the start of the year with every intention to take him, then the list size reduction was brought in and his down year combined with the KPD depth we have saw him passed on.

 

[Andre the Giant]

I'm one out on the Macreadie non drafting.

I watched a few games of him last year and he showed a little but I still felt the raps were way too high.

This year he has been a major disappointment and this is reflected in his actual draft selection. Had there been more tall keys available I have no doubt he would have been bypassed.

Yes we did relocate him to Sydney but he got an education at one of the best schools in NSW so it was mutually beneficial.

We would have seen him closer than anyone so you have to back the coaches and team in their decision, time will tell if its correct. Perhaps being passed over is the spur he needs to drive him to the next level.

Re the De Boer selection...dont get it as we could have picked him up as a rookie. I would have gone with Tony Olango even though he is very raw.

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

Gut feel is that we moved him up to Sydney at the start of the year with every intention to take him, then the list size reduction was brought in and his down year combined with the KPD depth we have saw him passed on.

Was just saying the same to Ichabod Noodle. Also who we lost at trade time and having to solve the Stevie J and Whitfield absences may have changed the likely selection mix.

Having De Boer over Macreadie and Mutch makes no sense on its own; but it makes more sense when you are aiming for a flag and you don't have two best 22 for some time and you've lost all but one of your 2014 draft class.

 

[_GT_]

Was just saying the same to Ichabod Noodle. Also who we lost at trade time and having to solve the Stevie J and Whitfield absences may have changed the likely selection mix.

Having De Boer over Macreadie and Mutch makes no sense on its own; but it makes more sense when you are aiming for a flag and you don't have two best 22 for some time and you've lost all but one of your 2014 draft class.

Good point. Was MDB the best option? Not sure about this, but time will tell.

 

[Giant Strides]

I'm not sure what the story is with Fisher, but we've already nominated guys and passed on them even in the rookie draft before - Tiziani last year, for example.

100% true, so I'm not counting any chickens. But the difference in past years has been the total number of players. i.e. we were carrying a larger main squad so had no need for rookies. I would think now that we're carrying the bottom limit of the normal squad size, we'd want a few rookies as backup. The point is - how many? We've actually got 4 rookies already: Reid, Lloyd, Stein & Patfull. With Patfull not actually playing, and Stein very inexperienced, I'd think that at least 1 and personally I'd advocate 2 rookies to come in.

I'd definitely take Sproule as one, given that he was passed over (think that would be a shock for him given he was AFL academy!) & that allows us and him some time to see how he progresses in NEAFL. Without him (or another tall), the NEAFL team actually has no real tall forwards - using Flynn and one of HH or Finlayson up front. Second rookie would be a lottery, but personally I'd happily select Sam Fisher for the Canberra connection. Jake Barrett if he's not picked up elsewhere (notwithstanding all the rumours) the other glaring option.

 

[coniglio_number1]

100% true, so I'm not counting any chickens. But the difference in past years has been the total number of players. i.e. we were carrying a larger main squad so had no need for rookies. I would think now that we're carrying the bottom limit of the normal squad size, we'd want a few rookies as backup. The point is - how many? We've actually got 4 rookies already: Reid, Lloyd, Stein & Patfull. With Patfull not actually playing, and Stein very inexperienced, I'd think that at least 1 and personally I'd advocate 2 rookies to come in.

I'd definitely take Sproule as one, given that he was passed over (think that would be a shock for him given he was AFL academy!) & that allows us and him some time to see how he progresses in NEAFL. Without him (or another tall), the NEAFL team actually has no real tall forwards - using Flynn and one of HH or Finlayson up front. Second rookie would be a lottery, but personally I'd happily select Sam Fisher for the Canberra connection. Jake Barrett if he's not picked up elsewhere (notwithstanding all the rumours) the other glaring option.

Stein is catergory B. Doesn't affect the main rookie numbers

 

[captainMyCaptain]