2016 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Cont. in Part 2 (link in OP)

[Sanders]

because no one of note is asking that question to the authorities

The authorities are all over the media telling us the answer (or not)

 

[relapse]

Entirely correct. If you are going to go by Foleys's version of course it is not going to credit:

A) the Crows who knew we were the biggest ticket in town and no money could be spent at AO if our crowds weren't going to follow (Port were in full tarp mode during this time don't forget)

This is why we held out like a disinterested party and got the rent free lease at West Lakes for our troubles

B) Martin Hamilton-Smith and the state Libs who put the idea of a city based stadium on the table. The only reason why the AO/RAH developments happened is that the ALP had to do something. The Libs wanted a new stadium where the new RAH is now. Labor had to do a "me too" that was just different enough to be unique. If it wasn't for MHS, we would still be at footy park as the ALP originally wanted.

I think tend to think that the Crows played hardball because they were pissed because they had been used by the SANFL as a pawn in an attempt to shore up Footy Park's future. The SANFL had only just been coxed the club into investing 25 million into Footy Park only to then have the rug pulled out from under them within 6 months of it being finished.

They would have used their position to get them the best possible deal they could

 

[Mepeyep]

Can't believe GWS have access to another 9 players from their academy this year, 5 of whom many recruiters believe are in the top 25 according to Barrett. Many of these academy players are from footy heartlands as well, which is entirely against the point of an academy in a non dominated AFL state. A team that already has 25 first round picks on its list and another 10 pre-listed 17 year olds, never mind the 'mini draft picks' they had. **** that, and thankfully every other club (besides GC of course) are kicking up a stink about it.

Geez. I even don't mind Hawthorn winning premiership after premiership so much if the AFL is allowing this.

 

[displacedaussie]

Geez. I even don't mind Hawthorn winning premiership after premiership so much if the AFL is allowing this.

Careful now. If GWS beat them it might be #freepickhawthorn in the next draft.

 

[Jars458]

Port surely can't win with their injuries. Not a defining game unless they win for mine.

 

[noddy]

Janus says he's a frontrunning goal chaser who very much doesn't do the team thing as he puts on very little pressure acts and leaves it to the rest of them.
He does back it up with stats as well
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2016-tacs-trailer.1128306/page-5#post-44005630

He may be a goose half the time but he/she does know his footy.

 

[1970crow]

Sorry, but you have to take off your anti-Trigg blinders.

Didn't he hold out for a better deal for US? While Port were dropping their knickers and sprinting away from West Lakes, Trigg held out to make sure we weren't worse off.

Our penalties for Tippett should have been fought more - but they weren't worse than other salary cap breaches (such as Carlton). As a club we should have fought more, but we didn't get the punishment because Vlad hated us.

If anything, Vlad LOVES Trigg - how do you think he got the Carlton job??

Rendell - well, I think Trigg was glad for the excuse to get rid of Rendell earlier. Always sounded like he was wearing people thin.

Trigg followed the SANFL's lead pure and simple. This is why Fagan had to make such a song and dance about getting the deal improved when he arrived. Vlad was gone when Trigg got the Carlton gig, it was brokered by Gillon. We'll never know if Vlad truely rated Trigg or just valued him as a pawn who was thinking that he was positioning himself for a high level AFL gig. What we do know is that would be subject to change after Trigg proved himself incompetent and deliberately deceitful ("don't let the AFL know") during the Tippett investigations. And why would we fight sanctions that we negotiated ourselves? We were able to explain these easy enough as tough sanctions until the Essondon disrepute penalty threw a heap of perspective upon it.

If your assertion is that Trigg held out for the best deal he could get then he did it poorly. And let's not forget that the party responsible for providing that deal was the SMA, not the AFL. But your bias doesn't really allow for logical conclusions being made regarding this.

 

[Mego Red]

Trigg followed the SANFL's lead pure and simple. This is why Fagan had to make such a song and dance about getting the deal improved when he arrived. Vlad was gone when Trigg got the Carlton gig, it was brokered by Gillon. We'll never know if Vlad truely rated Trigg or just valued him as a pawn who was thinking that he was positioning himself for a high level AFL gig. What we do know is that would be subject to change after Trigg proved himself incompetent and deliberately deceitful ("don't let the AFL know") during the Tippett investigations. And why would we fight sanctions that we negotiated ourselves? We were able to explain these easy enough as tough sanctions until the Essondon disrepute penalty threw a heap of perspective upon it.

If your assertion is that Trigg held out for the best deal he could get then he did it poorly. And let's not forget that the party responsible for providing that deal was the SMA, not the AFL. But your bias doesn't really allow for logical conclusions being made regarding this.

Hold on. MY bias??

I have no bias towards Trigg. Glad he's gone, should have been sacked.

But I do think there needs to be some truth around what happened at the club.

You, on the other hand, have an EXTRAORDINARY bias against Trigg that skews everything you read and say. Sometimes that negative bias goes even wider to others in the club, but your intense hate towards Trigg is obvious and a bit concerning.

 

[Geoffa32]

I think tend to think that the Crows played hardball because they were pissed because they had been used by the SANFL as a pawn in an attempt to shore up Footy Park's future. The SANFL had only just been coxed the club into investing 25 million into Footy Park only to then have the rug pulled out from under them within 6 months of it being finished.

They would have used their position to get them the best possible deal they could

The key aspect in our move and securing our club's security was the lease on Footy Park as a training venue. It is basically a Peppercorn rent from the SANFL, which is what Port have to use Alberton Oval with the Port Adelaide - Enfield council.

 

[1970crow]

Hold on. MY bias??

I have no bias towards Trigg. Glad he's gone, should have been sacked.

But I do think there needs to be some truth around what happened at the club.

You, on the other hand, have an EXTRAORDINARY bias against Trigg that skews everything you read and say. Sometimes that negative bias goes even wider to others in the club, but your intense hate towards Trigg is obvious and a bit concerning.

Would prefer you address the points. You suggested that Vlad got Trigg the Carlton gig whilst no longer AFL CEO. Do you have anything to substantiate that? You've suggested Trigg held out for a better deal in the best interests of our club, that's absurd given that the deal was clearly average and it was the SANFL that we we'd be negotiating against, not the AFL. You certainly have a bias, perhaps it's not pro- Trigg but maybe against Vlad or someone else. What started this discussion was me saying that this was something that Vlad got indisputably right. Do you disagree?

 

[Peter Doherty]

The key aspect in our move and securing our club's security was the lease on Footy Park as a training venue. It is basically a Peppercorn rent from the SANFL, which is what Port have to use Alberton Oval with the Port Adelaide - Enfield council.

Good point, it's hard to call the deal 'poor' when the cheap rent was part of it. Gloss over it and you're not seeing whole picture

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

But I do think there needs to be some truth around what happened at the club.

Do you think there has been?

The club offered nothing other than a deafening silence.

 

[spenze]

Do you think there has been?

The club offered nothing other than a deafening silence.

They're taking the fifth

 

[skoobydoo]

Does anyone find it suss that when things went pear ( pun intended) shaped early against the crows Wingard goes off early with hamstring

Then he trains 9 days later and plays 13 days later off a hamstring injury ??!!

2 weeks later he has a 'delayed' concussion after apparently not suffering any symptoms during the game

If he makes a habit of this questions about his temperament will need to be asked if not already

Some really weird chains of events

And now Gray has a hammy!? What's the bet he will recover extremely quickly.

 

[baldandbroke]

Gray is a gun. Teriffic player. Schulz is gone, and you can't count Monfries and Ryder....

Wingard has talent, but looks very much like a front runner. And what's left are hardly match winners.

My point is that they have no depth. Gray being out for them is like us losing someone like....mmmm Dangerfield.

If the same happened to us, we have cover. They haven't. And with any injuries the players you bring in aren't going to be as good as your first choice if all players are available. It's about the size of the gap.

The only gun out is Gray. And are they bringing in players knocking the door down demanding a spot? Not according to the SANFL Magpies coach...

Wingard is a gun, don't even pretend he is anything less than top notch.

Losing Ryder has been, and continues to be, massive. I reckon losing Ryder would be like us losing Jacobs - it would be not bode very well :-(

 

[skoobydoo]

So Port are dropping a couple big names to send a message, but they encrypt it so that no one can read it by saying they're "injured".

Why

Emotionally exhausted and publicity conflicted syndrome.

 

[BundyJack]

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[MRB37]

Wingard is a gun, don't even pretend he is anything less than top notch.

Losing Ryder has been, and continues to be, massive. I reckon losing Ryder would be like us losing Jacobs - it would be not bode very well :-(

They knew there was a good chance they'd lose Ryder and failed to cover their bases in anyway shape or form. Absolutely horrible list management decision, that's on them and them alone.

It would be like us losing Jacobs, except we've been smart enough to cover that potentially happening by recruiting Lowden, O'Brien and Hunter. Port just said "she'll be right" with Lobbe and have no other options now.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Wingard is a gun, don't even pretend he is anything less than top notch.

Losing Ryder has been, and continues to be, massive. I reckon losing Ryder would be like us losing Jacobs - it would be not bode very well :-(

Mmm, he's a gun when everything's going Ports way. Takes great pride in looking at himself on the big screen after kicking a goal to make sure he still looks good and there isn't a hair out of place. I'm amazed he doesn't pull the hair gel out his shorts just to tidy up his appearance.

When things get tough you can count on Wingard going missing. He is the biggest downhill skier around. Not willing to do the hard yards when the chips are down to try and get his team up. Mind you they currently have a few of these blokes hence the way they are getting smashed.

A players true worth is shown when things get tough not when things are easy.

Edit, did I mention the quivering lip?......F**king softc**k!

 

[Pdub]

Losing Ryder has been, and continues to be, massive. I reckon losing Ryder would be like us losing Jacobs - it would be not bode very well :-(

Except they were 1 kick away from a grandfinal while Ryder was at Essendon.

 

[GameofSloanes]

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Bahaha lost my sh*t at 'it's ok i think beards are sexy'

 

[Archie87]

Losing Ryder has been, and continues to be, massive. I reckon losing Ryder would be like us losing Jacobs - it would be not bode very well :-(

Hmm, it’s not quite an even comparison given that Jacobs is a better ruckman than Ryder. Jacobs is a top 5 ruckman in the comp. Ryder is in the tier below (which is still pretty good btw).

I don’t have any sympathy for them. The only reason they got Ryder was because of the drugs saga, they took the risk in full knowledge he might get suspended and they couldn’t get him to take the 6-week ban on offer.

If they wanted the potential benefits on offer resulting from the Essendon drugs stuff via a good player wanting out, they’ve got to be fully prepared for the consequences that it may go the other way too.

Look at it this way too: even with their injuries, they still have more top-10 draft picks out there playing than us this weekend (we have zero). They have no depth. Poor list management and trading away too many draft picks over the past two years has cost them.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Mmm, he's a gun when everything's going Ports way. Takes great pride in looking at himself on the big screen after kicking a goal to make sure he still looks good and there isn't a hair out of place. I'm amazed he doesn't pull the hair gel out his shorts just to tidy up his appearance.

When things get tough you can count on Wingard going missing. He is the biggest downhill skier around. Not willing to do the hard yards when the chips are down to try and get his team up. Mind you they currently have a few of these blokes hence the way they are getting smashed.

A players true worth is shown when things get tough not when things are easy.

Edit, did I mention the quivering lip?......F**king softc**k!

Tend to agree with this, he has the talent but the attitude is under question

 

[jenny61_99]

http://indaily.com.au/politics/2016...-mouthed-gift-to-the-aflm-rat-fck-to-the-afl/

Interesting article about the Adelaide Oval move

And people doubted me when I said that Demetriou forced us to sack Rendell. The man was a pig.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Except they were 1 kick away from a grandfinal while Rryder was at Essendon.

After 2012 all you ever heard from the crows players was 'we were one kick from a grand final'. It used to p*ss me off no end as to me it sounded like they were pretty happy with that and there did not seem to be any drive to improve and do the hard things as we already thought we were good enough. Port i reckon have been similar since 2014 every year it's 'we're top 4 certainties we were one kick from a gf in 2014 and we've improved or squad since'