Wasn't there. Last week they had Weller, Corvo, Dennis, Cameron-Reeves and 2 or 3 others that have slipped my mind. Guessing the same group was used y'day.
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A fit and firing green should be aiming for 40+ goals in 2016.
He's a bit behind the 8-ball with his foot, but has averaged 1.6 goals per match over his past two seasons - not easy to do as a small forward. Especially in a dysfunctional forward line like ours
As a comparison, Craig McRae averaged 1.2 over his career.
Green is super important to our overall structure. He plays every game for mine
He's clearly got some good weapons. Not many would argue that. He's only vulnerable to someone who has similarly damaging weapons (not necessarily the same ones) AND is more well-rounded in other areas.
That's not trivial to do - but if a McGrath or Dawson, or even Keays could show some forward line smarts, they certainly offer more positional versatility than Green does. When Green is having a bad day, what do you do with him? There's no vest now. You can't hide him.
Can't believe anyone is questioning Greenies starting position. He kicked 30+ goals from limited opportunities in a struggling outfit. Imagine what he can do with more forward contests to crumb with some tall timber playing and a firing midfield. He's a quality goalsneak. Also there seems to be no love for Liam Dawson off halfback. He showed he will be an excellent third defender in those last few games last season. Has size,strength and makes good decisions.
I think there is plenty of love for Dawson, he showed plenty, it's just that many posters have others ahead of him in the queue i.e. Cutler, Mayes and Harwood. Also worth remembering Dawson has missed a chunk of this pre-season so might be a bit behind in fitness also
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Yeah. I love Harwood's attack on the ball. We have been a more competitive outfit when he has played. I have a gut feeling he has been in the team for the majority of our wins in the last few years? Did Dawson play yesterday? I have noted both he and Cutler have seemed to have put some quality time in the Gym from Pics featured here. I am hoping reduced interchange will bring the more traditional half back flankers back to the game. The solid take no prisoner types. Hopefully we see more one on one contests.
A fit Green is a lock for me in the team, keen to see what sort of damage he can do if we have more ball inside forward 50 and a couple of key forwards to rove off. I think he is a 40-60 goal small forward in the future.
I think me questioning his spot has struck a few nerves. I mean isnt it great we are starting to get competition for these spots. Semantics yes but he kicked 25 last season. Only because we had no one else. I question his work rate more then anything. Doesnt seem to want to tackle and when he does he gets pushed off anyways (averaged just over 3 a game in a team that had the ball streaming outta the back line all day long).
The number 1 thing we a small forward must do is hit the scoreboard. I just don't see another small forward apart from Christensen (but we need him in the midfield) being able to hit the board as regularly as Green can.
Green's a dynamite and tops our goal kicking stats ... but really, he could've kicked twice as many goals.
He seems to be able to kick the difficult ones and often stuffs up the ones where he's completely open and right in front on the burst. We do see him disappear for a while, but I think it's tough to leave him out with our current lineup. As xplo points out, if any of those other guys on that list show a bit around the goals, he'll be under the pump.
He seems to be able to kick the difficult ones and often stuffs up the ones where he's completely open and right in front on the burst. We do see him disappear for a while, but I think it's tough to leave him out with our current lineup. As xplo points out, if any of those other guys on that list show a bit around the goals, he'll be under the pump.
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It is pretty rare for small forwards to have consistent four quarter games. They can be doing everything right and, for whatever reason, aren't getting their hands on the footy. I don't think Green is any different from other small forwards in that regard. The position relies almost totally on the rest of the team.
I think we all expect having better forward targets will allow Green greater opportunity to affect games. The same goes for getting more repeat entries - the more often the ball is inside 50, the better off Green will be.
He definitely can't let the defensive stuff slide but I don't see that as a huge problem. His tackling numbers (IIRC) are lower than most small forwards but, again, small forwards need the ball in their area of the ground in order to lay tackles.
I don't really see Zorko or Christensen as being truly comparable. Both could probably play small forward but we'd be losing a bit up field by doing that. Perhaps a Keays or Mathieson might put pressure on in their first couple of years but I think, as it stands, a fit Green is a walk up start.
I think we all expect having better forward targets will allow Green greater opportunity to affect games. The same goes for getting more repeat entries - the more often the ball is inside 50, the better off Green will be.
He definitely can't let the defensive stuff slide but I don't see that as a huge problem. His tackling numbers (IIRC) are lower than most small forwards but, again, small forwards need the ball in their area of the ground in order to lay tackles.
I don't really see Zorko or Christensen as being truly comparable. Both could probably play small forward but we'd be losing a bit up field by doing that. Perhaps a Keays or Mathieson might put pressure on in their first couple of years but I think, as it stands, a fit Green is a walk up start.
Whilst I agree... the times have changed slightly the past 10 years or so. Small forwards must also provide pressure, and lock the ball inside forward 50. It is such a huge part of the game these days and IMO Green just doesn't do it. Sure Green can kick a nice goal but I wouldn't be surprised if his net goal worth is negative if you know what I mean. I witnessed a hell of a lot of easy ball being rebounded out of our forward 50 by the opposition with absolutely no pressure being applied, which leads to precise movement of the ball and an easy goal on the rebound. Green isn't the only forward that provides inadequate defensive pressure, but if he wants to play as the specialist small forward (he can't play anywhere else compared to our other smalls) he has to significantly up his game in that department.
Anyway I will reserve further judgement on Green until I can see him in a somewhat functioning forward line. Hopefully this year Walker, Freeman and another key can create a contest and either win it or knock it to the ground for Green to work his magic.
Green doesn't really have bad days. He'll still chase, pressure and tackle. I think he's one of the most underrated players we have. He's pretty much our only true crumbing forward too.
Yes, Christensen, Taylor and Zorko can play in his role - but they are more mids / half forwards who can kick a goal.
I love Green, can't wait to see him crumbing off some actual tall talent in the coming seasons
Love Greeny
He's still pretty young and will get better and better.
Full of energy. Goal sneaks are hard to get. Kicks em under pressure and from acute angles.
Hope he heals up quickly because when he's hot we often do well.
He's still pretty young and will get better and better.
Full of energy. Goal sneaks are hard to get. Kicks em under pressure and from acute angles.
Hope he heals up quickly because when he's hot we often do well.
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Good small forwards are very valuable, but also fairly rare. At any given time, half the teams in the comp are either struggling in that position or using a different setup at the moment. I think it's also important to recognise that forward pressure isn't just down to one player. Smaller players are expect to do most of the work in that regard due to their superior speed + agility, but I find it hard to see our problems as anything other than a group failure.
Actually, I find it quite hard to place any specific blame for some of the common gripes on here (forward pressure, defensive running) due to the wide range of problems the team has had recently. It's not to say certain players shouldn't bear more responsibility than others, but it really is hard to know where to start sometimes.
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I noticed Bastinac more for his ability to find a bit of space and his poise when disposing of the pill. Didn't stand out for his inside game, although I've got mediocre eyesight so if the play wasn't on my wing I didn't have hope in picking out who was doing what. I'd definitely have him in for R1.
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Bastinac had 7 bounces against us a couple of years ago,can't be all inside I guess.
I think Green puts on pretty good defensive pressure, generally when a small forward runs someone down it is due to collective pressure from the forward/midfield group as the opposition attempts to rebound the football from our forward 50.
When you look at our forward line last year for eg.
Freeman- very little pre season no chase out
McStay- young was burning all his petrol tickets in offence, nothing left to chase out
Christensen- no pre season burning all his tickets forward of the footy
Let alone the dysfunctional nature of how we used the footy going forward and being dominated by opposition team back lines, I remember seeing Greeny do a fair bit of unrewarded solo defensive running.
When you look at our forward line last year for eg.
Freeman- very little pre season no chase out
McStay- young was burning all his petrol tickets in offence, nothing left to chase out
Christensen- no pre season burning all his tickets forward of the footy
Let alone the dysfunctional nature of how we used the footy going forward and being dominated by opposition team back lines, I remember seeing Greeny do a fair bit of unrewarded solo defensive running.
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I haven't followed our pre-season exploits that closer but from what I have read it seems like Sam Mayes is training the house down?? All that is left is to get him to sign on to a new deal.
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McGrath played this roleTAC,has all the attributes.
has been playing defence during pre-season though I think
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That's true....just raised the suggestion in view of Green being possibly unavailable to start.
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I wouldn't be opposed to Ben Keays or Billy Evans lining up round 1 in Greens spot until fit.
Im with you. We have been screaming for forward talent.And play in the forward half
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