List Mgmt. 2016 Trade, Draft and free agency news (no hypothetical trades)

[grizzlym]

He just knocked back $750k from the Suns. I don't think he would come much cheaper than say $650k. Deal might get back-ended so may be less in the first year as you allude to, but I don't see it being too much less than that.

But it was only a two year deal. He'll be after 4-5 year deal, I would have thought.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

But it was only a two year deal. He'll be after 4-5 year deal, I would have thought.

Most likely - and if so there could be some back-loading of the deal. People who think we will automatically get him cheap just because he hasn't played in 2 years are mistaken. If he hasn't made up his mind yet and it is a genuine contest between us and EFC - then the dollars will come into it. Particularly when you have a player agent who stands to benefit from the quantum of the dollars.

 

[Baz_hawk]

Any chance Brand is going to end up being part of the deal to get Mitchell to the Hawks? Richards retiring, Grundy reaching the end, it would make sense that they'd show interest. I'd be disappointed if true but given that no contract renewal has occurred I'm starting to suspect he may be on the table.

 

[butlers hawks]

Any chance Brand is going to end up being part of the deal to get Mitchell to the Hawks? Richards retiring, Grundy reaching the end, it would make sense that they'd show interest. I'd be disappointed if true but given that no contract renewal has occurred I'm starting to suspect he may be on the table.

Hope not, depends on the clubs thoughts to which will be better in the future of him and Heatherley. Everything so far suggests Brand will be. Would also be interesting to see if they have put any feelers into any other key backs. McKenzie and the Brown brothers or anyone like that. I want Brand to stay and not be replaced by any of them especially the Browns but if they have any mutual interest then maybe but no I hope not

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Not interested in reading anymore back and forth about the merits of being critical of the club and the players.

Discuss the trade news, or don't.

 

[VandoHawk]

Just spoke to a bloke who reckons he knows Hilly pretty well at my father's workplace. Keep in mind I can't vouch for the reliability, just what he was telling me.

Says that Hilly was really homesick after his first year and wanted to head back interstate then. We wanted to keep him though, and tabelled a pretty big contract of 400 000 + which he took. Apparently Hilly was really glad he stayed and loves the club, but now that he has three (possibly four) Premierships he wants to head back home and play with his brother.

Also noted that Hill would be fine if he wasn't traded this year but would be 100% gone at the end of his contract.

 

[List Manager]

Any chance Brand is going to end up being part of the deal to get Mitchell to the Hawks? Richards retiring, Grundy reaching the end, it would make sense that they'd show interest. I'd be disappointed if true but given that no contract renewal has occurred I'm starting to suspect he may be on the table.

That would be robbing Peter (backline) to pay Paul (midfield). We need to strengthen both areas of the ground and weaken none.

As a side note....I wonder if there is any chance at all the club tries to turn Vickery into a defender.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

That would be robbing Peter (backline) to pay Paul (midfield). We need to strengthen both areas of the ground and weaken none.

As a side note....I wonder if there is any chance at all the club tries to turn Vickery into a defender.

I am not a fan of trading Brand - would rather give Lithers away. Mind you - TOB has been far more effective down back this year. Possibly TOB could take Brand's role should he be traded.

Don't like the idea of Vickery playing as a defender while Rough is still absent. I assume a big reason for Vickery being hunted by us is for him to be a forward presence and take some pressure off of Breust, Sicily and Gunston.

 

[butlers hawks]

I am not a fan of trading Brand - would rather give Lithers away. Mind you - TOB has been far more effective down back this year. Possibly TOB could take Brand's role should he be traded.

Don't like the idea of Vickery playing as a defender while Rough is still absent. I assume a big reason for Vickery being hunted by us is for him to be a forward presence and take some pressure off of Breust, Sicily and Gunston.

I think if Swans ask for Brand, Hawks would counter offer TOB and tell them to watch the tape of him in defense. Dont forget Swans turned Richards into a Full Back after recruiting him as a forward from Essendon. Grundy and Alier have had good years but Grundy isn't getting any younger

 

[Gaston]

Any chance Brand is going to end up being part of the deal to get Mitchell to the Hawks? Richards retiring, Grundy reaching the end, it would make sense that they'd show interest. I'd be disappointed if true but given that no contract renewal has occurred I'm starting to suspect he may be on the table.

McEvoy and Brand might be in the same boat as Sam Fisher at St Kilda. His manager has been told that no contract will be entertained until after the trade period. If the Saints acquire their targets money TPP will be squeezed and current monetary and contract requests will not be achievable.

On JOM, if he seeks a long term deal surely he is smart enough to acknowledge that clauses for the first 2 years will need to be met.
Play 35 out of 44 games and then a back ended contract is triggered. Remain injury prone and loose change is all you will receive.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

McEvoy and Brand might be in the same boat as Sam Fisher at St Kilda. His manager has been told that no contract will be entertained until after the trade period. If the Saints acquire their targets money TPP will be squeezed and current monetary and contract requests will not be achievable.

On JOM, if he seeks a long term deal surely he is smart enough to acknowledge that clauses for the first 2 years will need to be met.
Play 35 out of 44 games and then a back ended contract is triggered. Remain injury prone and loose change is all you will receive.

Do Hawthorn do those sort of things? 35 out of 44 games is a bit harsh. Don't even think Hodge, Lewis or Shiels would have done that.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

There is definitely something going on with the Brand issue. For him to be the best key defender we've naturally developed since Croad/Hay and to have him uncontracted suggests to me he wants to move back to SA for family reasons or the like. He's unlikely therefore to be used to get Mitchell unless it's a Brand to Port, Hartlett to Sydney and Mitchell to Hawthorn along with a range of picks.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

McEvoy and Brand might be in the same boat as Sam Fisher at St Kilda. His manager has been told that no contract will be entertained until after the trade period. If the Saints acquire their targets money TPP will be squeezed and current monetary and contract requests will not be achievable.

On JOM, if he seeks a long term deal surely he is smart enough to acknowledge that clauses for the first 2 years will need to be met.
Play 35 out of 44 games and then a back ended contract is triggered. Remain injury prone and loose change is all you will receive.

Given JOM already has an offer on the table for 700K a year I can't see him accepting a 'loose change' option.

 

[Teamwork Talks]

There is definitely something going on with the Brand issue. For him to be the best key defender we've naturally developed since Croad/Hay and to have him uncontracted suggests to me he wants to move back to SA for family reasons or the like. He's unlikely therefore to be used to get Mitchell unless it's a Brand to Port, Hartlett to Sydney and Mitchell to Hawthorn along with a range of picks.

If BB is retiring then maybe Brand as part of a deal with Port for Lobbe?

 

[HawthornHawk]

There is definitely something going on with the Brand issue. For him to be the best key defender we've naturally developed since Croad/Hay and to have him uncontracted suggests to me he wants to move back to SA for family reasons or the like. He's unlikely therefore to be used to get Mitchell unless it's a Brand to Port, Hartlett to Sydney and Mitchell to Hawthorn along with a range of picks.

Says more about our inability to develop key backs than anything

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Says more about our inability to develop key backs than anything

You'd think we'd hang on to him for dear life then....

 

[HairyO]

If BB is retiring then maybe Brand as part of a deal with Port for Lobbe?

Why do we want Lobbe? He cant get a game when the other ruckman was banned for a year.

 

[Sirlemsip]

If BB is retiring then maybe Brand as part of a deal with Port for Lobbe?

Or TOB as both he and Brand are originally from SA

That being said, i'd much prefer to keep both, don't think too much of Lobbe after this year.

 

[HomerJayS]

Given JOM already has an offer on the table for 700K a year I can't see him accepting a 'loose change' option.

It seems he wants to come to Melbourne though.

My 'insider tip' from early this year was we had offered JOM a long term deal. The tipster was very confident the deal was going to go through (back then) and he even quoted the package involved (I'm not going to repeat the numbers but I was surprised at both length and $$$$ - big not small)

That was before we knew JOM wouldn't play in 2016 so maybe we've cooled a little...

I'm sure we've been planning for a big fish or two for some time and have our player payments sorted and can see us having already paid some 2017 cap over previous couple of years (since Buddy's left) to make some room for the new fish. We've got some pretty smart people in our footy department - expect miracles!

 

[MC_9]

There is definitely something going on with the Brand issue. For him to be the best key defender we've naturally developed since Croad/Hay and to have him uncontracted suggests to me he wants to move back to SA for family reasons or the like. He's unlikely therefore to be used to get Mitchell unless it's a Brand to Port, Hartlett to Sydney and Mitchell to Hawthorn along with a range of picks.

I think we have a number of "non-vital" players remaining unsigned, to see how everything falls with the JOM, Mitchell & Vickery (too a lesser extent).

Once we have a better idea of our TPP after the trade period, I imagine we will start signing these guys up (McEvoy, Whitecross, Brand, etc), if we can at all. We are just allowing ourselves some wiggle room in the salary cap.

 

[butlers hawks]

I think we have a number of "non-vital" players remaining unsigned, to see how everything falls with the JOM, Mitchell & Vickery (too a lesser extent).

Once we have a better idea of our TPP after the trade period, I imagine we will start signing these guys up (McEvoy, Whitecross, Brand, etc), if we can at all. We are just allowing ourselves some wiggle room in the salary cap.

Don't forget the clubs only have a slight idea of how much the cap is going to increase and until that happens they might be reluctant to really lock these guys away

 

[Mercy Seat]

I'm not sure why I bother with with idiots -

You may be referring to the McEvoy of years gone by, not the version we have now. His 3.3 marks a game are .6 and .7 more than Campbell and Renouf, hardly the dominance you speak off. BB isn't really an aerial threat anymore, not because he can't duke them but he simply can't get to the contests anymore and he can't jump. Pittonet is the miles better pure ruckman and once he has a tank we can then invest in another youngster, Pitt is the future.

Please.

If he is bad as you are saying, he doesn't have any trade value, so there shouldn't be any talk of it. The reality is, we are one ruckman down, he is only 27 and has the runs on the board. Unless he wants to retire, we will be doing everything to keep him. He miles better than Pittonet, and fortunately I trust the powers that be at Hawthorn to get it right as they have time and time again, as opposed to some of the idiots here.

 

[Great 2008]

Don't forget the clubs only have a slight idea of how much the cap is going to increase and until that happens they might be reluctant to really lock these guys away

When is this happening?

 

[butlers hawks]

When is this happening?

For next season is my understanding...not a huge amount I think I heard the other day was about 7-10%

 

[tige19]

Please.

If he is bad as you are saying, he doesn't have any trade value, so there shouldn't be any talk of it. The reality is, we are one ruckman down, he is only 27 and has the runs on the board. Unless he wants to retire, we will be doing everything to keep him. He miles better than Pittonet, and fortunately I trust the powers that be at Hawthorn to get it right as they have time and time again, as opposed to some of the idiots here.

Any reason for no contract in front of him? He is a servicible at best, and his body is restricting him even more so than ever. You speak of BB like he is a brilliant mark, far superior than anyone else on our side yet when presented with facts you have nothing. Laughable.