List Mgmt. 2016 Trade, Draft and free agency news (no hypothetical trades)

[tige19]

Daw has improved out of sight, anyone who can't see that are either completely ignorant or simply don't like him. It's taken him 7 years but he is a legit good big man with a huge amount of diversity to his game, he would be an asset.

 

[Davo23]

This is what makes trading for established players a lot better option for me. I'd be prepared to pay slight overs for a well established excellent talent. As good as drafting science is these day, it can still be a lottery.

But it was Freo who traded for the established player, Croad.
And fell on their collective faces.

And we got incredibly, unbelievably lucky with Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell - or our recruiters were so good that they drafted the best 2 players of 2001.

This sort of trade just doesn't get done anymore. I can't see teams trading out top players, unless they were going back to their home states and you have to trade to get some value.

 

[cryptor]

yeah thats the way i see it. All of sudden 4 teams first rounders are on the table where they probably wouldn't have been before the academy bidding system. With futures now available to be traded there's so many picks in the market there just has to be bargains there for the astute list manager.

Not just clubs with academies though. Any club desperate for a certain player seems more likely to overpay with a future pick than they do with a present one. Which is why I drew the parallel with a credit card. Those things are traps that entice people into buying products they can't afford with something that cost them more in the future. A trap you can see struggling clubs with coaches and list managers whose jobs are hanging by a thread. Why wait a year for a star player you can get today and let the payment for them be the futures problem? Either the move will come off and your job's safe or it doesn't and it's someone elses problem!

 

[Jason Dunstall]

But it was Freo who traded for the established player, Croad.
And fell on their collective faces.

And we got incredibly, unbelievably lucky with Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell - or our recruiters were so good that they drafted the best 2 players of 2001.

This sort of trade just doesn't get done anymore. I can't see teams trading out top players, unless they were going back to their home states and you have to trade to get some value.

Croad was their best forward in that first year, the second year was obvious he wanted out/back to Vic.

They also got McPharlin as part of that trade, that turned out ok for them.

Wasn't the huge loss trade for them that everyone thinks, & as you say, instead of Hodge & Mitchell, we could've got another couple of Beau's......

 

[Gralin]

That trade was a win win at the time. History judges it in Hawthorn favour but that is unfair on freo.

 

[flinchfree]

Trade Gunston then, simple.

....

 

[tige19]

I thought Freo done quite well, Mcpharline has been their best FB in the clubs history. Could you only imagine if we had him in the side in those early 2000s when we sniffing around finals scaring the shit out of other more established sides?

On the most part we have done really well on our trades, we even dodged a bullet with Carlisle so we really do get the rub of the green.

We obviously need to work a way to get JOM to the club, it seems obvious he is our main target. What we will need to give up will have to be significant, what that's going to entail is anyone's guess.

 

[Brishawk]

That trade was a win win at the time. History judges it in Hawthorn favour but that is unfair on freo.

I think the only reason we were willing to trade croad was because we had McPharlin and we basically got nailed at the time giving up two young kpp with huge potential for a couple of picks (only one first round). The end result to both club was we got hodge and Mitchell for McPharlin (the pick we sent to freo for cross was wasted on a player who barely played a game). Clear win to us based on outcomes!

 

[PhatHQ]

Daw has improved out of sight, anyone who can't see that are either completely ignorant or simply don't like him. It's taken him 7 years but he is a legit good big man with a huge amount of diversity to his game, he would be an asset.

Played an OK game last night.
I wouldn't mind if he was targeted, but is he a first choice ruck or a genuine forward ruck?
I think he is to big to be a full game/first choice ruck but if he was forward first & foremost (if he keeps his body shape) he could be devastating.

 

[tige19]

Played an OK game last night.
I wouldn't mind if he was targeted, but is he a first choice ruck or a genuine forward ruck?
I think he is to big to be a full game/first choice ruck but if he was forward first & foremost (if he keeps his body shape) he could be devastating.

He would start deep forward as did Hale and probably 55% forward 30% ruck 15% bench I'd think, it'd be the Hale role. Big upgrade on what Cegs gives going forward. Daw has improved tremendously, I would say though this year would be the last chance to nab him if we were half keen.

 

[Mitchell54]

He would start deep forward as did Hale and probably 55% forward 30% ruck 15% bench I'd think, it'd be the Hale role. Big upgrade on what Cegs gives going forward. Daw has improved tremendously, I would say though this year would be the last chance to nab him if we were half keen.

Daw doesn't excite me. He's very athletic but just doesn't seem to read the play aswell as he could. Got dominated in the ruck by Hamspud. Seems to get lost out there. We might be able to polish him up but what do people want to give up for him? late draft pick?

 

[tige19]

Daw doesn't excite me. He's very athletic but just doesn't seem to read the play aswell as he could. Got dominated in the ruck by Hamspud. Seems to get lost out there. We might be able to polish him up but what do people want to give up for him? late draft pick?

Hampson dominates most ruckman with his tap work, he averages 31 a game. It's just because he is an absolute donkey around the field that he is picked apart and so he should. Daw would be an upgrade of Cegs, if Daw doesn't excite then surely Cegs bores you to death?

We have won 4 flags with average ruckman, it's not a necessity to have top line guys but it's a necessity that they can play multiple roles.

 

[Mitchell54]

Hampson dominates most ruckman with his tap work, he averages 31 a game. It's just because he is an absolute donkey around the field that he is picked apart and so he should. Daw would be an upgrade of Cegs, if Daw doesn't excite then surely Cegs bores you to death?

We have won 4 flags with average ruckman, it's not a necessity to have top line guys but it's a necessity that they can play multiple roles.

Would rather Cegs than Daw. Daw is no better than Cegs. No point getting Daw.
Would rather us use a pick to try and find a young player who should be just as good as Daw.

 

[wahawk]

Daw doesn't excite me.

He excites my mates missus.

& she knows FA about footy

 

[tige19]

Would rather Cegs than Daw. Daw is no better than Cegs. No point getting Daw.
Would rather us use a pick to try and find a young player who should be just as good as Daw.

Yeah it's horses for courses - 2015 I would have said Cegs to no dramas, but I don't feel like he has come on like he should have. For a guy what 204cm or so ? He struggles in ruck duels, we also expected him to deliver a little more forward but his output has been underwhelming.

We have a huge 2nd half of the year so the big Man can improve, he has tidy skills and can take a grab but we have to get more out of him.

 

[tige19]

Daw averages a goal a game and 3 contested marks as, those are great stats for a duel position fwd/ruck - Cegs is at 1 contested mark and under half a goal a game, I'll stick to my view that today's Daw would be an upgrade and a good one on what we currently have.

Like many though, Its obvious midfield comes first and second and if a guy like Daw became a possibility I'm sure the club would look at it.

 

[Baz_hawk]

Daw wouldn't be a bad one to look at, struggling to break into the north side with Brown being the preferred option. He's not a bad player, has less than 20 games under his belt so is relatively inexperienced. His current situation is not dissimilar to Hale's when we picked him up.

 

[bris tarangau]

Daw wouldn't be a bad one to look at, struggling to break into the north side with Brown being the preferred option. He's not a bad player, has less than 20 games under his belt so is relatively inexperienced. His current situation is not dissimilar to Hale's when we picked him up.

So we go back to our very own academy to bring in 'developed' players.

 

[tige19]

Daw wouldn't be a bad one to look at, struggling to break into the north side with Brown being the preferred option. He's not a bad player, has less than 20 games under his belt so is relatively inexperienced. His current situation is not dissimilar to Hale's when we picked him up.

The issue is after next season both Waite and Petrie are finished so Scott will want him. If we have a dip it has to be this year, the funny thing is when you listen to Scott he talks about how much development they've put into Daw yet he has been there 8 years and played 20 games. Id say they've been derelict in the development of the guy, he showed glimpses in his first 2 years what he could do.

Cant stand North

 

[Steven Tyler]

Daw averages a goal a game and 3 contested marks as, those are great stats for a duel position fwd/ruck - Cegs is at 1 contested mark and under half a goal a game, I'll stick to my view that today's Daw would be an upgrade and a good one on what we currently have.

Like many though, Its obvious midfield comes first and second and if a guy like Daw became a possibility I'm sure the club would look at it.

I like it because we really don't have a 3rd option in the ruck since Hale retired
Pittonett isn't ready, so Ceglar and McEvoy only go out if injured
Ceglar busted his ass last year when in the side because he knew a poor game meant back at Box Hill, but now.........

 

[Brishawk]

I hope Hawks open up the cheque book for sheil. Worth a million bucks a year. Star player and with what we have on the list plus one or two more young mids we can be a contender for a while. Plus it would mean gws don't have him.

 

[Mitchell54]

I hope Hawks open up the cheque book for sheil. Worth a million bucks a year. Star player and with what we have on the list plus one or two more young mids we can be a contender for a while. Plus it would mean gws don't have him.

Would be good to know how much he's getting at the Giants. No player is worth 1 million bucks though. I'd go with 700K.

Agree on that last bit. Teams should be working together to screw over GWS before they win a premiership.

 

[hfc70]

He excites my mates missus.

& she knows FA about footy

Looks like Tarzan , plays like Jane

 

[Brishawk]

Would be good to know how much he's getting at the Giants. No player is worth 1 million bucks though. I'd go with 700K.

Agree on that last bit. Teams should be working together to screw over GWS before they win a premiership.

With the ride in salary cap over the coming years a million won't be a stretch for any club. Heck Boyd is already on that and he isn't remotely close to Sheil on realised performance. Plus we can't simply offer success as he will probably get it at gws. We need to offer something beyond football and a shed load of money is a good start. Plus I think he may soon become the best player in the comp. has it all.

 

[Roughies Boys]

Toby Nankervis wants in to Vic.