List Mgmt. 2016 Trade & Free Agency Discussion Thread [v. 1.0]

[Malifice]

I like the Reseting of the Roster at Carlton. Just need a Gun forward or 2.

Or 5! Went hard on forwards last year - Harry McKay, SOSOS, C Curnow. Wouldnt be surprised to see us go Marshall this year or Ainsworth and keep pouring in KPP's and forwards.

If SOS mirrors his approach he had at GWS, it'll be a ton of KPP's first, then mids. Our backline is surprsingly good (and very young - Simpson the exception), and Boltons got the team playing team defence. We're one 'gorilla' defender short (Rowe currently plays that role, but is on the wrong side of 26). Just need a bit more KPF talent/ firepower, and more mids around Cripps.

And by a bit more firepower, I mean a lot more. Our leading goalkicker was 26 year old Matty Wright (a DFA from Adelaide) with 23 or something.

Anyways, just thought I'd give some info on Touhy. If the rumors are true (you're after him) it tells me Scott is going to mirror his brother at Geelong and look to reorient the list with established players from other clubs in the 25-28 range, and not go the youth option. I dont know enough about your list to know if thats wise or not, but there is merit in the decision I reckon.

 

[Shermanator]

His main weapon is his kicking. He is the best kick in our side by a mile. 60m range and accurate:

Doesnt take a backwards step either.

Looking for a Spud replacement as the hard nut down back maybe?

 

[Tas]

People saying getting Tuohy will allow us to shift Atley to midfield or wing... the only reason he doesn't play there already is because he has been no good in those roles, we have tried. If you are going to trade for someone to displace Atley from his defensive role, he would need to be part of the trade.

 

[Harris 10]

People saying getting Tuohy will allow us to shift Atley to midfield or wing... the only reason he doesn't play there already is because he has been no good in those roles, we have tried. If you are going to trade for someone to displace Atley from his defensive role, he would need to be part of the trade.

agree, i think a player like Tuohy(shocking name to spell) would actually help Atley take his game to another level.

 

[Malifice]

Looking for a Spud replacement as the hard nut down back maybe?

I'm pretty happy with a back six featuring Weitering, Plowman, Marchbank (should we get him), Docherty and Byrne. Average age there is 21, and all 5 look the goods. Glass McKasker is developing in the twos (fingers crossed) as a rookie.

Currently Sam Rowe is filling the 'gorilla' backman role for us (similar to the role Firrito played for you guys), and Simpson is... well Simpson.

We're pretty solid for defenders if we get Marchbank from GWS, and its not too difficult to get a 'gorilla' defender via F/A.

We can afford to lose Touhy, and he's got good trade value for a side who considers themselves around that top 4 area (to get you into the top 4) or with the window open. Our window is far from open, and wont open till the 2020 mark, so he's arguably more use to us as a trade commodity for an extra early pick than as a player.

Its a shit too, because I love him as a player. Great bloke too from all reports.

 

[Tas]

I'm pretty happy with a back six featuring Weitering, Plowman, Marchbank (should we get him), Docherty and Byrne. Average age there is 21, and all 5 look the goods. Glass McKasker is developing in the twos (fingers crossed) as a rookie.

That would be a very good back 4 to 6 players to build a back line around. You want to get them in as early as possible because it takes some time for defenders to gel together.

Currently Sam Rowe is filling the 'gorilla' backman role for us (similar to the role Firrito played for you guys), and Simpson is... well Simpson.

Rowe is expendable and Simpson wont be around that long, you do need experience there while you are developing though.

We're pretty solid for defenders if we get Marchbank from GWS, and its not too difficult to get a 'gorilla' defender via F/A.

Not too difficult but it can be hard to get a decent one. Quite often the best gorilla defenders are failed forwards, ie Tarrant for us, not really a gorilla but built well enough to play against the bigger key forwards.

We can afford to lose Touhy, and he's got good trade value for a side who considers themselves around that top 4 area (to get you into the top 4) or with the window open. Our window is far from open, and wont open till the 2020 mark, so he's arguably more use to us as a trade commodity for an extra early pick than as a player.

I doubt we will hit top 4 next year, our major problem is the midfield and I doubt there will be significant change in that area over the next 1-2 years. I could be wrong...

Its a shit too, because I love him as a player. Great bloke too from all reports.

Yeah, hate seeing players go, but it is tough when you want to do what is best to win a flag, being loyal to the extreme hurts your chances. We should have made some hard calls a long time ago and failing that has put us in the position we are in atm.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

I only want Tuohy if he shave's his sideburns first.

 

[scooby1279]

maybe getting Tuohy allow's us to trade Atley. Get a better player and a high draft pick or another player.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

People saying getting Tuohy will allow us to shift Atley to midfield or wing... the only reason he doesn't play there already is because he has been no good in those roles, we have tried. If you are going to trade for someone to displace Atley from his defensive role, he would need to be part of the trade.

We have never tried Atley in the midfield or on the wing. There was a stat sometime last year that Atley had only ever been used in the centre bounce set up 3 times in his 100 games (or something like that).

 

[Flawed Genius]

If you trade Ats you have to factor in the impact it will have on JMac.

 

[kangaspurs]

We have never tried Atley in the midfield or on the wing. There was a stat sometime last year that Atley had only ever been used in the centre bounce set up 3 times in his 100 games (or something like that).

That's because his complete lack of awareness in traffic and his U18 level decision making skills when under pressure that he already struggles with in the backline would be completely exposed further up the ground.

I seem to remember that he did a full preseason as well as played a few NAB challenges matches there. If he had have performed well then I daresay he would have been given an extended opportunity.

Regardless of how quick he might be, he's just not a midfielder because he's awful in traffic and he's a shocking decision maker. The only benefit to come from him playing midfield is that his errors would be further away from our goal and hopefully less damaging.

 

[jclei]

That's because his complete lack of awareness in traffic and his U18 level decision making skills when under pressure that he already struggles with in the backline would be completely exposed further up the ground.

I seem to remember that he did a full preseason as well as played a few NAB challenges matches there. If he had have performed well then I daresay he would have been given an extended opportunity.

Regardless of how quick he might be, he's just not a midfielder because he's awful in traffic and he's a shocking decision maker. The only benefit to come from him playing midfield is that his errors would be further away from our goal and hopefully less damaging.

Yeah i feel tried him there around the same time as Harper and both were a bust. Hes not the player we hoped he would be - hes had ample time to show us some improvement and i think its fair to say he is playing similar to how he did in his 2nd year at the club.

Tuohy is an upgrade if we are planning on moving him on

 

[muttley45]

If we are going for an Irishman, Hanley >>>> Tuohy, all day, every day

 

[Heaps of fun]

Haven't paid too much mind to these threads when three years ago half the posters wouldn't sign Eddie Betts up for $450k p/a.

 

[Star]

If we are going for an Irishman, Hanley >>>> Tuohy, all day, every day

I'd love him but I wonder whether he would jump on Twitter chide himself at being a Mummy's Boy

 

[kangaspurs]

Yeah i feel tried him there around the same time as Harper and both were a bust. Hes not the player we hoped he would be - hes had ample time to show us some improvement and i think its fair to say he is playing similar to how he did in his 2nd year at the club.

Tuohy is an upgrade if we are planning on moving him on

In 2012 he looked like he was going to be a genuine star but since then he's, at best, stagnated, if not regressed. If we get someone like Tuohy then he is someone that might still have value and could be part of the trade to get Swallow/Big fish.

 

[shinboner spiggs]

If you trade Ats you have to factor in the impact it will have on JMac.

Surely mullet/McDonald can move up the field and a Nielsen/VW can take up an apprenticeship in the back pocket? If a rebuild is on the cards then there's no reason not to trial an error in that spot. Worth testing the waters and chucking atley on the table.

 

[Passmore]

I can recall David Ackerley and Steve McCann both had beards and played in the 80's. Scott McMahon was a bearded warrior for a while. However I have not inspected any of them for tatts.

David Ackerley, of course. More your mild mannered mid 80's accountant style beard than your rough and ready look.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Don't really see the value in trading Atley. Hasn't become the game winner we wanted him to be but forms a pretty tidy defensive unit when Wright, McDonald and Macmillan are down back and gives us pace no one else at the club can provide. Isn't a gun but isn't terrible either and is still young.

 

[Harris 10]

Haven't paid too much mind to these threads when three years ago half the posters wouldn't sign Eddie Betts up for $450k p/a.

It was more like 90%, I still can't believe people argued with me that recruiting Betts was going to stall the development of Harper.

 

[DunderHead]

If we get Tuohy we could either use both him and Atley in the backline to really increase our running power or allow us to release Atley into the mid/wing. He cerainly has been tried there before but he has been too important a player to say 'you make it here or you don't make it at all'. I'm sure if it was a full year between the magoos and seniors in those positions he would get the hang of it. We could do with a speedy bloke to apply pressure in the centre at the very least. Seeing him and Thomas in the middle more often next year would change our dynamic quite a bit I would think.

 

[shinboner spiggs]

If we get Tuohy we could either use both him and Atley in the backline to really increase our running power or allow us to release Atley into the mid/wing. He cerainly has been tried there before but he has been too important a player to say 'you make it here or you don't make it at all'. I'm sure if it was a full year between the magoos and seniors in those positions he would get the hang of it. We could do with a speedy bloke to apply pressure in the centre at the very least. Seeing him and Thomas in the middle more often next year would change our dynamic quite a bit I would think.

Atley is not a good enough footballer to make it in the midfield. If he didn't have pace we wouldn't read about him.

 

[CarnTheKANGAS]

Here we go again.

We're not flushed with mids, I can assure you that Atley/JMac/Mcdonald are somehow not playing midfield because we have pressing issues elsewhere. BS doesn't see them as mids. Not even an occasional pinch hit (sadly)

The same Brad Scott who played Farren Ray ahead of Ryan Clarke?

 

[kangaspurs]

Atley is not a good enough footballer to make it in the midfield. If he didn't have pace we wouldn't read about him.

This.

He genuinely offers nothing but pace. Tuohy, while not as quick, has a bit more class about him, JMac is 10x the footballer, McDonald has better skills and is harder and tougher, Wright is smarter, better skilled and a better reader of the game. Our small/medium defender stocks would be fine without him and, seeing as though he might still have value, he could actually be used in a trade to improve us in other areas of the ground.

 

[hilly]

I think it will be our 2nd round pick and a bit extra on the fringes (say our third pick next year for their fourth next year, as an example).