Live Event 2017 AFL Draft - #2, #5, #42, #60, #66, #70, #77, #80, #90

[mike91]

Woo there Mikey, with 2 to 300 players drafted the last four years the go home factor is relatively small and the so called flight risk -we are talking same thing right?

On your other post I suggest it is highly unlikely that players and the team with all involved would push through a season without eye on the finals even if the odds seemed to be against them. While the stuffing can get knocked out early a few wins reignites confidence and self belief and hope kicks in.

There is a chance we could get a great quinella out of the ones that may arise. LDU and Cerra is one of them

GC and Brisbane have loss plenty of players because of this reason. It was clear as day that Balic and his soft family never wanted to come here. It's more a fact, kids are getting softer, the dream of playing AFL vanishes very quickly when they've made it on a list, because that dream suddenly becomes playing back home, they don't appreciate what the clubs do for them and look to leave them quickly to head back home.

Cold hard reality is this, when your club and coach continue to say "we're rebuilding" the facts are they don't expect to play finals and they know it'd be a miracle if it happened, they fully intend to play kids. Sure we can dream of it, but the simple reality is we're rebuilding and every single player knows we're not contending yet. Not many people will agree with that, but if you think about it carefully, think about everything the club and Ross has been saying the past two years, I'm right.

 

[Tbonefreo]

Wow I agree

If he is wasted on the gold coast ill be spewin

 

[Tbonefreo]

GC and Brisbane have loss plenty of players because of this reason. It was clear as day that Balic and his soft family never wanted to come here. It's more a fact, kids are getting softer, the dream of playing AFL vanishes very quickly when they've made it on a list, because that dream suddenly becomes playing back home, they don't appreciate what the clubs do for them and look to leave them quickly to head back home.

Cold hard reality is this, when your club and coach continue to say "we're rebuilding" the facts are they don't expect to play finals and they know it'd be a miracle if it happened, they fully intend to play kids. Sure we can dream of it, but the simple reality is we're rebuilding and every single player knows we're not contending yet. Not many people will agree with that, but if you think about it carefully, think about everything the club and Ross has been saying the past two years, I'm right.

Yeah i agree. Also i think being an 'AFL' player gives the young bloke status, and alot are happy about just the status and a wad of cash. Playin at home with all the hotties wanting ya - get a load of Cameron Lings wife. Fmd.
Digressed a bit there but yeh it would be pretty sweet back home it wouldnt feel like work.

 

[eastfreo75]

Really? We've all heard the Rayner potential flight risks too. Really don't like what is going on here, looks like it's only going to get worse too. Kids are getting softer by the minute, we've now got clubs scared to take draftees in fear they'll leave them in a few years, this is wrong on so many levels, AFL needs to hurry up and extent the contracts. Extending the contracts either forces them to stay, or allows you to trade them whilst contracted, meaning you'll get fair value.

I spoke to someone who knows Stevenson and they think he is a flight risk.

 

[Joao]

In fairness, our injury situation couldn't get much worse than the past two years. Shirley we are due some luck on the injury front? I'd be happy with league average injury situation - but I suppose that would be a dream compared to recent form.

I think we are due, but I am certainly not assuming anything and don't call me Shirley.

 

[Unique Name]

I think we are due, but I am certainly not assuming anything and don't call me Shirley.

Is it bad luck we've had? If it is then great, maybe luck eventually swings in our favour.

Or is it poor injury management. Langdon playing with knee issues that they knew about, sending Blakely back on, etc. Because we would need to change something for a different result if the injuries are a result of poor management.

 

[Joao]

Is it bad luck we've had? If it is then great, maybe luck eventually swings in our favour.

Or is it poor injury management. Langdon playing with knee issues that they knew about, sending Blakely back on, etc. Because we would need to change something for a different result if the injuries are a result of poor management.

I do worry that some of it is poor management but I am really not in the position to call that given my complete lack of medical knowledge.

I hope it is luck because as you say that can change in an instant.

 

[free at last]

If he is wasted on the gold coast ill be spewin

If north are in the mix to get Ramkine they'll make it happen imo

 

[wayToGo_]

Is it bad luck we've had? If it is then great, maybe luck eventually swings in our favour.

Or is it poor injury management. Langdon playing with knee issues that they knew about, sending Blakely back on, etc. Because we would need to change something for a different result if the injuries are a result of poor management.

Bit of both. I don't think you can attribute every injury we've had over the past two years to poor management nor can you account all of them to luck. I'm surprised (and a bit annoyed) we've made no changes to that department this off season. If it continues next year, shirley (using it again) it will force their hand - same goes for coaching you'd think.

 

[yyou]

I spoke to someone who knows Stevenson and they think he is a flight risk.

I believe Brayshaw is a huge flight risk

 

[Scham]

Is it bad luck we've had? If it is then great, maybe luck eventually swings in our favour.

Or is it poor injury management. Langdon playing with knee issues that they knew about, sending Blakely back on, etc. Because we would need to change something for a different result if the injuries are a result of poor management.

It's been a bloody long run of bad luck if that's what it is. We're more than due!

 

[Snake_Baker]

If north are in the mix to get Ramkine they'll make it happen imo

There's no chance we would look at anyone else with pick 1, if we were to get it and keep it.

I expect both the SA clubs will make huge trade plays for Rankine & Lukosius.

 

[blue shark]

Bit of both. I don't think you can attribute every injury we've had over the past two years to poor management nor can you account all of them to luck. I'm surprised (and a bit annoyed) we've made no changes to that department this off season. If it continues next year, shirley (using it again) it will force their hand - same goes for coaching you'd think.

After Tigers success with Hardwick"s limitations and now Buckley's makeover, I thought we would have addressed our
issues.
Ross is a superior coach outright to those two, but at the end of the day as a club we are in very good shape.
Back on topic I would be surprised if our new recruits were not excited by our facilities, Ross, and the playing list
being assembled.

 

[Taylor]

Best hope Sloane doesn't nominate North as a free agent if you have pick #1 or #2.

 

[Fyfster]

I believe Brayshaw is a huge flight risk

You could be right , With his brother playing at Melbourne , Although Ed Langdon has publicly stated he has settled in well at Freo and he has a brother playing in Melbourne ,With the events during trade period we have become a little nervous about any interstate players , But the facts remain we have had a good record in retaining these players in the past , And if you look at this year in isolation . Balic was a mummy's boy , And his parents are on record as saying they were disappointed he finished up at Freo, Crozier was with us a good few years anyway so we got something back on our investment there , And Weller was all about money , And his management played the go home card because it is better than telling the truth

 

[meesy]

I'm on the Paddy Dow train, toot toot.

Pick 5 is a lot more harder to place. If North go Cerra I think our pick will shape the entire draft. Really would like Fogarty as he offers a point of difference to say Dow if we pick him, and he it also goes someway of addressing that deplorable forwardline we have.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

GC and Brisbane have loss plenty of players because of this reason. It was clear as day that Balic and his soft family never wanted to come here. It's more a fact, kids are getting softer, the dream of playing AFL vanishes very quickly when they've made it on a list, because that dream suddenly becomes playing back home, they don't appreciate what the clubs do for them and look to leave them quickly to head back home.

Cold hard reality is this, when your club and coach continue to say "we're rebuilding" the facts are they don't expect to play finals and they know it'd be a miracle if it happened, they fully intend to play kids. Sure we can dream of it, but the simple reality is we're rebuilding and every single player knows we're not contending yet. Not many people will agree with that, but if you think about it carefully, think about everything the club and Ross has been saying the past two years, I'm right.

You seem to take offence? My reply was not to disagree with you per se but say it is not that bad. Players play to win and to make finals - if they don't they should not be there. A clubs view and coaches too may be different - so yes I agree with that.

Falacious statements are exactly that, eg: some becomes everyone, because someone says this then it is true, because most agree on something then it is true, or because one person from many disagrees then they are wrong. We all need to work together in not burying people in bulldust.

I do think about it carefully, logic, research and detail are very much part of my profession ( that too can be fallacious if trying to use it to validate to put down your argument). While the odds are against, nevertheless teams have risen up from seemingly hopeless positions, clubs and coaches have changed direction and expectation during the season etc etc. Thats the history of our game. Hope that builds a desire to win even when seemingly impossible.

So cold hard reality is this - did think about it carefully - am not a popularist - and merely suggesting you were overstating what is generally agreed to but what is not necessarily absolutely true.

 

[wayToGo_]

I'm on the Paddy Dow train, toot toot.

I've noticed a few people (not just in this forum) wanting Dow over Davies-Uniacke and I'm genuinely interested why? What are the reasons you like him better than UDL?

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

On the "go home flight risk" thing - For what its worth the 2yr contract and pay for new draftees is in a sense an inducement to not commit longer term. Any young person leaving school end yr 12 would expect to commit to 3-4 years tertiary studies or apprenticeship.

Hopefully our new draftees especially 2 and 5 will have that mindset. I'm not concerned about Rayner at all.

 

[meesy]

I've noticed a few people (not just in this forum) wanting Dow over Davies-Uniacke and I'm genuinely interested why? What are the reasons you like him better than UDL?

To be fair I'd be stoked with both. And it's not like I'm an expert or anything, I'm just going on highlight videos. But there's something about Dow, I think. LDU looks like a beast in the Josh Kennedy mould. And the talk about him is he likes to throw the team on his back and will them over the line, just like Josh Kennedy tried to do in 2016 grand final. But I feel (going on highlight videos) Dow has neater skills and spacial awareness. There's one clip where he drags the ball in around four players, then spots up a teammate on the outside. I think he'd add a dynamic we don't have in our midfield, and is also the closest in my view to a Weller replacement. The other aspect is that he seems the type to add bulk really easily. His videos seem similar in my view to u18 Dangerfield - you can see a skinny kid dominating with poise and will to win.

tl;dr - I have no idea there's just something about him.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

I do worry that some of it is poor management but I am really not in the position to call that given my complete lack of medical knowledge.

I hope it is luck because as you say that can change in an instant.

Do "not worry", "luck is in the meditation", "it is not the pointy end of the matter".

thought you might like this Joao

 

[rgauci]

I've noticed a few people (not just in this forum) wanting Dow over Davies-Uniacke and I'm genuinely interested why? What are the reasons you like him better than UDL?

Personally I’m on the LDU train, but Dow has been consistently better, where LDU yo-yos, his best is better than Dows.

 

[DaveDocker]

On the "go home flight risk" thing - For what its worth the 2yr contract and pay for new draftees is in a sense an inducement to not commit longer term. Any young person leaving school end yr 12 would expect to commit to 3-4 years tertiary studies or apprenticeship.

Hopefully our new draftees especially 2 and 5 will have that mindset. I'm not concerned about Rayner at all.

I think we'll go with the best available at #2 (probably UDL) and then go local at #5. Lachie Weller's leaving would have rocked the club and I reckon will have an impact on our drafting. So then it probably comes down to Naughton or Allen at #5.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Bit of both. I don't think you can attribute every injury we've had over the past two years to poor management nor can you account all of them to luck. I'm surprised (and a bit annoyed) we've made no changes to that department this off season. If it continues next year, shirley (using it again) it will force their hand - same goes for coaching you'd think.

Any truth to the rumour that Shirley Surely has been offered a specialist role re player injury prevention? We'd be lucky to get her to improve players physical management.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/frema...h-two-topten-draft-picks-20171108-gzhqna.html

Poor Hamling, the forgotten man -


"Naughton is roundly tipped by talent identification analysts to become a 200-game AFL player and is considered a potential long-term replacement for veteran back-liner Michael Johnson if he heads to Fremantle.

Johnson, 33, is most likely heading into his final senior season in 2018 after surprisingly signing a one-year contract to extend his playing days beyond his 231 senior games.

The gifted Naughton could slot into defence alongside another rising young gun with Alex Pearce expected back into senior ranks regularly next season after missing almost the entire last two years with a broken leg.

A Naughton and Pearce defensive combination could develop into a reliable dynamic duo of over a decade with Johnson and classy Luke McPharlin who retired at the end of 2015 after 244 distinguished Dockers outings.
"

It's like he doesn't exist. I mean I don't really think Hamling is a genuine gun in the mould of Rance, but he is still young, and a good player who will look at lot better with Alex next to him.

That said if the club picks Naughton at 5 I will back them until proven otherwise. I think they've earned that in my mind over the last couple of draft/trade periods, even if I don't agree with it.