2017 Ladder Predictions

[Dez!]

Pendles and Treloar are obviously superior. Griffiths has nothing on White. White is and has always been a better footballer. Injuries happen obviously; no need to comment. Why are you so desperate for an answer? Youth is a damn good excuse, age and games played aren't a good way to measure a team. Three of our six oldest players just joined the club; it's no measure at all. We won't need to win off the last kick because our team is better,

That doesn't mean much when he's not a good player though.

 

[lethalsaints]

1. GWS
2. Adelaide
3. Sydney
4. Bulldogs
5. Geelong
6. Melbourne
7. West Coast
8. St. Kilda

9. Hawthorn
10. Richmond
11. Port Adelaide
12. North Melbourne
13. Collingwood
14. Gold Coast
15. Fremantle
16. Essendon
17. Brisbane
18. Carlton

 

[adammania9]

That doesn't mean much when he's not a good player though.

He had a solid 2016; watch him. He'd be in your best 22.

 

[Xhoquelin]

You have not watched many Richmond games - Edwards has been rated elite (champion data). I would take him over Mayne anytime. Martin Cotchin stack up well against Pendles AND Treloar. Giffiths is more reliable and younger than J.White. No response to youth myth and injuries. Typical. Let's wait till round 2, and you will not win on last kick of game if you are so damned superior.

Fk sake Edwards was mediocre as fk last year and Champion Data also rated Melbourne's midfield the worst in the competition. If Edwards gets back to 2015 form fair enough but Mayne is severely underratedd considering he's always had to play above his height. If Collingwood can let him become a legitimately third forward he might just kick 35 this year.

 

[jakefooty23]

You have not watched many Richmond games - Edwards has been rated elite (champion data). I would take him over Mayne anytime. Martin Cotchin stack up well against Pendles AND Treloar. Griffiths is more reliable and younger than J.White. No response to youth myth and injuries. Typical. Let's wait till round 2, and you will not win on last kick of game if you are so damned superior.

You would be hoping Griffiths comes out and kicks 40 this year with no Vickery, for me, if i had to choose to have one of Griffiths or White for the future it would definitely be Griffiths. But who is the better player currently? White.

 

[Dez!]

He had a solid 2016; watch him. He'd be in your best 22.

No, no he wouldn't be.

 

[Donakebab]

Fk sake Edwards was mediocre as fk last year and Champion Data also rated Melbourne's midfield the worst in the competition. If Edwards gets back to 2015 form fair enough but Mayne is severely underratedd considering he's always had to play above his height. If Collingwood can let him become a legitimately third forward he might just kick 35 this year.

Mayne has been putrid for the last three seasons. Both look cooked.

 

[ManOfClay]

Fk sake Edwards was mediocre as fk last year and Champion Data also rated Melbourne's midfield the worst in the competition. If Edwards gets back to 2015 form fair enough but Mayne is severely underratedd considering he's always had to play above his height. If Collingwood can let him become a legitimately third forward he might just kick 35 this year.

Between this and your constant downplaying of bontempelli I'm yet to see much evidence you are a shrewd judge of footy

 

[BBC1967]

Pendles and Treloar are obviously superior. Griffiths has nothing on White. White is and has always been a better footballer. Injuries happen obviously; no need to comment. Why are you so desperate for an answer? Youth is a damn good excuse, age and games played aren't a good way to measure a team. Three of our six oldest players just joined the club; it's no measure at all. We won't need to win off the last kick because our team is better,

In fact funnily enough they are in your best 22. If Wells Mayne and Dunn are in- you are in deeper trouble age wise than I thought. Add in Goldie Pendles and White and there are five close to 30. What a youthful team you have. More like Dad's Army! You said youth is a damn good excuse, but this is a myth!

 

[Royce Hafey]

Our midfields aren't debatable - ours is clearly superior. No discussion. Pendlebury, Treloar both established A graders - Wells, Sidebottom and Adams B at worst.
And you are saying that Cotchin and Martin aren't established A graders? Below those two we have Prestia, Caddy, Miles and Grigg. Your midfield shades us when in full strength but imo our depth is better and if Nankervis continues as he's started we might have the better ruck.

Your back line is better I'll give you that. Rance and Grimes I rate, and it's a lot more stable than our back line which needs time and development. Ramsay and Maynard are works in the making. They will be brilliant.

Our forward line is better but; the only match-up that you win is Riewoldt > Moore
Edwards + Griffiths + Caddy + Rioli + Riewoldt + Lloyd = 146 goals in their last played season (122 games total)
Moore + Fasolo + Elliott + Sidebottom + Mayne + White = 142 goals in their last played season (107 games total)
1.2 goals a game for Richmond's forward six on average vs. 1.33 per game at Collingwood.

I'll concede you have the best forward of the pair in Riewoldt, he'll likely slot around 20 more goals than Moore, however
Elliott = Lloyd (both kicked 35 goals in their more recent season, I'll keep it even until Elliott plays more footy)
The problem with this analysis is that it doesn't take into account that our game plan last year was a mess which severely discounted the output of our forwards - witness Jack's output - his lowest yearly total since his breakout year in 2010. You also haven't noticed the dramatic change in our forward line this preseason with the addition of pace in Butler and Castagna along with the continued development of Rioli, who now has enough bulk to tackle to go along with the pace he had last year. We've lost a 200cm rock with no defensive skills and replaced him with a forward line that can tackle - something we haven't had since Jake King retired. Add to this the fact that the addition of two inside mids in Prestia and Caddy will enable Martin to spend more time in the forward line whereas last year he was forced to be our main extractor.


Fasolo > Rioli

White > Griffiths
Sidebottom > Caddy
Chris Mayne > Shane Edwards (forward impact)

 

[proka123]

Now that JLT is over..

Sydney
GWS
West Coast
Geelong
Western Bulldogs
Adelaide
Hawthorn
Melbourne

St.Kilda
Collingwood
North Melbourne
Port Adelaide
Gold Coast
Richmond
Fremantle
Essendon
Brisbane
Carlton.

I'll be brutally honest and say that it was my bias that put us above the Saints. I'll actually be tipping St.Kilda round 1.

 

[JayJ20]

At the end of JLT:

Why are Essendon and Collingwood defensively so far apart when Collingwood averaged 96 points against and Essendon averaged 102? And Melbourne averaged 81 points against, yet are closer to Essendon than Collingwood.

Is this solely based on the JLT series?

 

[adammania9]

No, no he wouldn't be.

He would distract opposition defenders from Hogan and would be able to give Weideman a bit more time to develop by having a more experienced player in the team instead. Is a capable defender when needed due to his strong marking. He'd be on your bench.

 

[adammania9]

In fact funnily enough they are in your best 22. If Wells Mayne and Dunn are in- you are in deeper trouble age wise than I thought. Add in Goldie Pendles and White and there are five close to 30. What a youthful team you have. More like Dad's Army! You said youth is a damn good excuse, but this is a myth!

If that's how you feel, good for you. You quoted me for no reason whatsoever when I was having a level-headed discussion about Fremantle, so of course the Richmond supporter had to take his chance to make himself feel superior.

 

[BBC1967]

If that's how you feel, good for you. You quoted me for no reason whatsoever when I was having a level-headed discussion about Fremantle, so of course the Richmond supporter had to take his chance to make himself feel superior.

That's not difficult after some of the rubbish you claim is informed opinion. See you round 2 with your baby pies and Wells? Dunn Pendles White Tyson G and that new millionaire Mayne!

 

[Heisenberg_]

Pendles and Treloar are obviously superior. Griffiths has nothing on White. White is and has always been a better footballer. Injuries happen obviously; no need to comment. Why are you so desperate for an answer? Youth is a damn good excuse, age and games played aren't a good way to measure a team. Three of our six oldest players just joined the club; it's no measure at all. We won't need to win off the last kick because our team is better,

Jesse White is a hack.

 

[The Plowking]

Is this an extension of the pies v tigers shite thread?
Ladder predictions please....

Anayway, Pies topped up with a couple of oldies. Big deal.
Pies and tigers will both struggle to make 8.

 

[The Plowking]

Jesse White is a hack.

No.
Hes a decent 3rd forward/ruck relief who has missed some crucial sitters in front of goal in seasons previous to the last one.

 

[Ray Donovan]

I was joking! Wasn't being serious

Lol Geelong and essendon judging by the last game fighting for similar spots on ladder

 

[DrZaius]

At the end of JLT:

North a bit low there on Points For.

In the JLT games North won 2/3 and scored:
65, 95, 87 (avg 82)

EDIT: GC is also wrong they had an average of 88 Points For.

 

[Ray Donovan]

I hope someone buys you a carton if that ends up being right.

Take yourself down to TAB and just get on. Might win a house if you get enough on

 

[Janus]

North a bit low there on Points For.

In the JLT games North won 2/3 and scored:
65, 95, 87 (avg 82)

EDIT: GC is also wrong they had an average of 88 Points For.

I'll fix it up

 

[Ray Donovan]

Anyway mine for this season.

1. GWS
2. Sydney
3. Adelaide
4. Melbourne
5. St Kilda
6. Western Bulldogs
7. Geelong
8. Hawthorn
9. West Coast
10. Richmond
11. Port Adelaide
12. Fremantle
13. North Melbourne
14. Brisbane
15. Essendon
16. Gold Coast
17. Collingwood
18. Carlton

GWS - Sydney are probably the 1-2 coming into this season, and right now one of them is who i'd tip to win the grand final. Adelaide for 3rd is purely just due to us being a very consistent side, and will get the results. I don't think we'll capitalize on it though seeing the flaws we have side wise will show in the finals, and won't in the regular season.

Melbourne, Saints are my two tips to spike as both are building very good squads, Bulldogs for 6th, but honestly it wouldn't shock me if they drop out of the 8 this year; not because they are a bad side but i feel that a young group and have achieved a premiership that they'll have a hangover year. Geelong and Hawks still are strong enough to round out the 8.

West Coast i like and expect them to really threaten but i just don't know where to place them yet hence 9th. Richmond despite myself liking their trades and Port i feel have an ownership of that 10-11th spot until they get a new coach in. Freo, North are rebuilding, and i expect Brisbane to really surprise some teams this season; they have some talent there. Essendon is similar to West Coast, they're 15th just because i have no real feel of where they'll be, and Gold Coast is 16th for the same reason. Collingwood i just feel they'll have a season that'll force them to get rid of Buckley (one of those real silver lining seasons) and Carlton is just Carlton right now.

WB to drop out of the 8 champion data rated them the top 2 side in the comp and they are going to drop out and melbourne and st kilda in interesting logic I do believe Melbourne or st kilda could finish in 8 but nowhere near top 4 especially melbourne. Couple years early I believe

 

[Donakebab]

No.
Hes a decent 3rd forward/ruck relief who has missed some crucial sitters in front of goal in seasons previous to the last one.

Nah they were right he's a hack.

 

[Janus]

Why are Essendon and Collingwood defensively so far apart when Collingwood averaged 96 points against and Essendon averaged 102? And Melbourne averaged 81 points against, yet are closer to Essendon than Collingwood.

Is this solely based on the JLT series?

Yeah it's wrong...will fix it up.