2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[Sanders]

Come on mate, don't be obtuse. Waiving rights under a legal contract is far different to signing up for a forum with dodgy terms and conditions. If the Ts and C's are non compliant, they're not enforceable. You know that as well as I do.

What's your basis for the trump-like assumption the T&C's are dodgy?

No evidence whatsoever that this is the case.

 

[Sanders]

I can tell you that Power Pete was given the authority, by the Port Adelaide Football Club, to take Photo's at any time at training, with the proviso, that he cannot make any comment on any of the training or players.

Alleged, purple monkey dishwasher, 3rd hand "authority" is not accreditation.

He has rights to use, and therefore own/assert rights, or he does not.

Does he have that formal right?

 

[Deaneus!]

I can tell you that Power Pete was given the authority, by the Port Adelaide Football Club, to take Photo's at any time at training, with the proviso, that he cannot make any comment on any of the training or players.

The can't make any comment but is strange but sure; is this the same for all clubs?

 

[feenix67]

What's your basis for the trump-like assumption the T&C's are dodgy?

No evidence whatsoever that this is the case.

Well let's see, first of all the site is a US site, and without giving it scrutiny I'd hazard a guess and say it's a direct cut/paste from their original parent site.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that, as with most forums, the T&C here were not drafted by a lawyer with a clear understanding of Australian Copyright Law. Especially considering much of that law as it pertains to digital media has been developed since the last TnC update.

PS when have you ever logged in to be greeted with an updated TnC? Never, right? The defense rests

 

[Smithy7]

The can't make any comment but is strange but sure; is this the same for all clubs?

I think only Port Adelaide has done this. I don't see any photo's on any other BF boards etc.
I do know that it took a while for Port to give the authority to Peter, and he abides with their wishes.
Before he had to ask if it was ok to take photo's and they told him yes or no.

 

[Rusty Crow]

Are the standards of the Advertiser/Sunday Mail that low that they don't realise he's an idiot?

Well they keep rooch on so the bar is set to low.

 

[GrommoT]

A bit like you routinely use stats to try and show the other lemmings your team is not as crap as the ladder position suggests you actually are.

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[Pdub]

I think Smithy is Pete's mum.

 

[Rise_up_Stiffy]

A few of the Crows boys (Charles Cameron et al) will be devo regarding the result today.

 

[FR0GGY]

I can tell you that Power Pete was given the authority, by the Port Adelaide Football Club, to take Photo's at any time at training, with the proviso, that he cannot make any comment on any of the training or players.

Guess he can't comment on Brad Eberts photo then?

 

[Deaneus!]

I think only Port Adelaide has done this. I don't see any photo's on any other BF boards etc.
I do know that it took a while for Port to give the authority to Peter, and he abides with their wishes.
Before he had to ask if it was ok to take photo's and they told him yes or no.

...still doesn't quite make sense to me. Was it a closed training session? I'm thinking, I could turn up to a Crows open session with a camera and take a bunch of photos... can't i?

 

[Sanders]

Well let's see, first of all the site is a US site, and without giving it scrutiny I'd hazard a guess and say it's a direct cut/paste from their original parent site.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that, as with most forums, the T&C here were not drafted by a lawyer with a clear understanding of Australian Copyright Law. Especially considering much of that law as it pertains to digital media has been developed since the last TnC update.

And that's still pure guesswork without any sound basis.

Are you sure you didn't mean to say "so-called T&C's"?

PS when have you ever logged in to be greeted with an updated TnC? Never, right? The defense rests

Which is to say that I've not been made aware that they have changed or needed to.

Is Dennis Denuto running your defence

 

[Elite Crow]

I can tell you that Power Pete was given the authority, by the Port Adelaide Football Club, to take Photo's at any time at training, with the proviso, that he cannot make any comment on any of the training or players.

Port sound like North Korea

 

[Sanders]

I think only Port Adelaide has done this. I don't see any photo's on any other BF boards etc.
I do know that it took a while for Port to give the authority to Peter, and he abides with their wishes.
Before he had to ask if it was ok to take photo's and they told him yes or no.

Can you expand a little on "told him"

Have they vested formal right to use and own such images, or have they have had a quiet word to look the other way if it's for personal use and he doesn't make waves.

The latter would be insufficient to assert ownership of the image. The former will be formally documented and communicated explicitly

All of which is still then irrelevant as he waived any right pertaining to use within this site, per his acceptance of the T&Cs

 

[Sanders]

...still doesn't quite make sense to me. Was it a closed training session? I'm thinking, I could turn up to a Crows open session with a camera and take a bunch of photos... can't i?

For private use you probably can. When you want to "use" or assert rights over them, then the question of consent and authority comes into play

 

[1970crow]

You're here everyday lurking so you know the range of topics we cover so don't be cute.

You would also know a joke about Petes photo was quickly followed by a post from one of your fellow lurkers and we took the opportunity to take the piss.

So we are consistent in that regard, we enjoy taking the piss out of Port, Port flogs and Fotos.

It's spelt 'phlogs'

 

[Smithy7]

...still doesn't quite make sense to me. Was it a closed training session? I'm thinking, I could turn up to a Crows open session with a camera and take a bunch of photos... can't i?

Peter has been given the authority to take photo's at any training session, open or closed, providing he does not make a comment about the session or any of the players.

 

[Twist_of_Lemon]

I hereby grant full rights for any photos taken of yours truly to any leaps-out-of-a-bush want-to-be paparazzo.

Your model awaits.

 

[TexForPM]

I think only Port Adelaide has done this. I don't see any photo's on any other BF boards etc.
I do know that it took a while for Port to give the authority to Peter, and he abides with their wishes.
Before he had to ask if it was ok to take photo's and they told him yes or no.

It's fotos, god

 

[Elite Crow]

It's spelt 'phlogs'

Not another edit

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Don't we have posters who take photos of our trainings all the time?

 

[Sanders]

Peter was been given the authority to take photo's at any training session, open or closed, providing he does not make a comment about the session or any of the players.

Stop ducking and diving

 

[Sanders]

Don't we have posters who take photos of our trainings all the time?

We do. And they don't watermark them and pretend to be the legal owner or assert rights & protections either

And in return I'm sure our club doesn't give a monkeys. When those images start appearing in publications or on T-shirts etc they might take more of an interest

No harm no foul. Unless you want to be an arse about it, then it's on like donkey Kong

 

[1970crow]

Can you expand a little on "told him"

Have they vested formal right to use and own such images, or have they have had a quiet word to look the other way if it's for personal use and he doesn't make waves.

The latter would be insufficient to assert ownership of the image. The former will be formally documented and communicated explicitly

All of which is still then irrelevant as he waived any right pertaining to use within this site, per his acceptance of the T&Cs

Can he waive rights to the image if he doesn't have legal right to have reproduced the image in the first place.

 

[Smithy7]

Stop ducking and diving

I think I was answering a question that deaneus put to me.