2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[Geoffa32]

This I agree with.

The two games we played against them Enright and Guthrie killed us.

I believe Enright even got a Brownlow vote for his game against us down there.



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[fabs33]

Perhaps the colour match was the reason why GCS agreed to the game?

Is it possible no one else was interested except GCS who saw opportunities for them too

On that second part; once you take out the teams that don't want to tamper with their form with an OS trip mid season and those that are in a financially secure enough position where selling home games isn't beneficial for them, what's left isn't much. GCS just happened to be one of the those few left who actually had something to gain out of this. So it was never really a choice for Port.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Showing how faddish the AFL clubs ( for Kane McGoodwin ) are ....apparently once one club did high altitude junket ( I mean training) ....all clubs exposed the miraculous virtues of going over seas .....now only one club partly

Gee do they believe all their own garbage they spew out to their own club finance people????

 

[fabs33]

Yeah I got it wrong. So? People get things wrong all the time.

True, but you do it with more flair and style than most.

 

[Niximus]

Yeah, I guess Walsh dying had zero effect on the players at Port Adelaide. I mean, it wasn't like he had spent the entire 2014 season with them.

If you had done the same and watched your opposition, you would have seen Wines breaking down after the game against Collingwood, Hinkley talking about how he wasn't in a good way etc.

But you can live in your bubble.

Oh, changing the story?

I thought it was that you didn't want to go hard at us because you'd look bad, but now it's that you were grieving too?

I actually agree that Port would have felt the loss hard too, but that is not the BS you were sprouting about not wanting to look like 'ogres' and us taking advantage. Don't pretend that you weren't just because I called you out on it.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Brawl at North Melbourne training?

 

[GreyCrow]

Brawl at North Melbourne training?

Any zimmer frames broken?

 

[Elite Crow]

Geelong lost a big driver of their play out of defence when Enright retired. Not only that, he was their best defender period. Getting Tuohy helped with replacing their drive but their defence is weaker this season. Add to that the reduction in effectiveness of their ruck strategy with the loss of Blicavs going third man up and the loss of Bartel as a good stop gap around the ground and I can see them falling significantly, especially since they made top four on the back of four wins against Essendon and Brisbane.

I also think they will drop for the reasons you've mentioned, but not all the way out of the 8. They are also better than the ins you mentioned including Port

And what if Geelong average an extra 50 metres gained per player?

 

[Elite Crow]

Yeah I got it wrong. So? People get things wrong all the time.

Other teams could - but the reason I say we can is because our uncontested numbers were the worst in the league, so we have more scope for improvement.

And as for seven - you just don't wanna hear it cause you know it's true.

Can you understand why we take the piss out of you when you get it wrong so often?

 

[DD#23]

Geelong lost a big driver of their play out of defence when Enright retired. Not only that, he was their best defender period. Getting Tuohy helped with replacing their drive but their defence is weaker this season. Add to that the reduction in effectiveness of their ruck strategy with the loss of Blicavs going third man up and the loss of Bartel as a good stop gap around the ground and I can see them falling significantly, especially since they made top four on the back of four wins against Essendon and Brisbane.

surely Lingy is the only one in the country who can't see this.

 

[Scorpus]

Brawl at North Melbourne training?

They're just practicing their faux tough bullshit for their bottom 4 assault

 

[fabs33]

I also think they will drop for the reasons you've mentioned, but not all the way out of the 8. They are also better than the ins you mentioned including Port

And what if Geelong average an extra 50 metres gained per player?

What if they average an extra 51?!

 

[subaru]

Yeah I got it wrong. So? People get things wrong all the time.

Other teams could - but the reason I say we can is because our uncontested numbers were the worst in the league, so we have more scope for improvement.

And as for seven - you just don't wanna hear it cause you know it's true.

1.you get way more than your share of shit wrong
2. or maybe your uncontested numbers were bad because you're not as good as you think you are - see 1.
3. As for 7 -you blatantly built Gibbs up when we missed him and previously have repeatedly not rated him. Again - see 1 -with a bullet.

You run with the foxes and hunt with the hounds.

 

[Deaneus!]

Easton Wood's tweet today about gambling being a problem - wonder what the AFL thinks

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Jack Martin signs up with Gold Coast til 2019

 

[Janus]

Can you understand why we take the piss out of you when you get it wrong so often?

I've made a lot of statements. You just focus on the ones that I've got wrong because it suits your agenda, and because you think I'm afraid of being wrong when I'd rather have conviction in my beliefs. As I said - who cares? Truth is both relative and subjective. Especially when it comes to sport.

A few things though:

1. It's not my fault Hinkley thought the game was going to slow down and become more one on one. All my predictions were predicated on the fact that we were going to stay with the same gameplan we originally used offensively - quick ball movement in transition - and simply add a better defensive system to it. Instead, we wasted our entire preseason on building endurance to cope with an interchange cap issue that never came and allowed poor teams to exploit our lack of power running.

2. It's not my fault that we had so many injuries and suspensions last year - injuries to key planks of our transition and not to generic half back flankers and inside mids like the Bulldogs had. Oh, and to one of their exceptional key forwards that they obviously base their entire gameplay around since they could put in a kid and still win the flag.

3. It's not my fault that Lobbe is either a spud, was injured, or both, severely hampering our ability to win hitouts against sides without a decent ruck and compete against those that did have one. I said that he needed to get back to his 2014 form if we were to have a chance. He didn't.

4. It's not my fault that our players threw in the towel last season when it was obvious that a decent ruck would have made things easier, and that they just treaded water for the year instead of seeing it as an opportunity.

5. It's not my fault that every single side in the finals fell over allowing the Dogs to win the softest premiership of all time based on how many free kicks they won, allowing them to compensate for their poor general play through transition to attack. How they won so many free kicks when Sydney is also a contested side and gave away so many free kicks for the exact same reason I'll never know.

7. It's not my fault that Adelaide's season was structured in such a way that you got all your hard games out of the way in the front half of the season so that when it came to the back half you could still easily win against the bottom 10 teams while you slowed down.

However, I got the following things right:

* The team that concentrates on pressuring the ball carrier all over the ground with a counter-press will be the one that wins the flag

* Port Adelaide's defensive system was worth sticking with and would get better as the season wore on

* Adelaide's game style was based on efficiency and it was unsustainable

* Adelaide had zero chance of winning the flag because their midfield in both defence and attack is poor

If we fail again in 2017 with all the pieces we were meant to have in 2016 in place...then yeah, I'll put up my hand and say I got it horribly wrong.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I've made a lot of statements. You just focus on the ones that I've got wrong because it suits your agenda, and because you think I'm afraid of being wrong when I'd rather have conviction in my beliefs. As I said - who cares? Truth is both relative and subjective. Especially when it comes to sport.

A few things though:

1. It's not my fault Hinkley thought the game was going to slow down and become more one on one. All my predictions were predicated on the fact that we were going to stay with the same gameplan we originally used offensively - quick ball movement in transition - and simply add a better defensive system to it. Instead, we wasted our entire preseason on building endurance to cope with an interchange cap issue that never came and allowed poor teams to exploit our lack of power running.

2. It's not my fault that we had so many injuries and suspensions last year - injuries to key planks of our transition and not to generic half back flankers and inside mids like the Bulldogs had. Oh, and to one of their exceptional key forwards that they obviously base their entire gameplay around since they could put in a kid and still win the flag.

3. It's not my fault that Lobbe is either a spud, was injured, or both, severely hampering our ability to win hitouts against sides without a decent ruck and compete against those that did have one. I said that he needed to get back to his 2014 form if we were to have a chance. He didn't.

4. It's not my fault that our players threw in the towel last season when it was obvious that a decent ruck would have made things easier, and that they just treaded water for the year instead of seeing it as an opportunity.

5. It's not my fault that every single side in the finals fell over allowing the Dogs to win the softest premiership of all time based on how many free kicks they won, allowing them to compensate for their poor general play through transition to attack. How they won so many free kicks when Sydney is also a contested side and gave away so many free kicks for the exact same reason I'll never know.

7. It's not my fault that Adelaide's season was structured in such a way that you got all your hard games out of the way in the front half of the season so that when it came to the back half you could still easily win against the bottom 10 teams while you slowed down.

However, I got the following things right:

* The team that concentrates on pressuring the ball carrier all over the ground with a counter-press will be the one that wins the flag

* Port Adelaide's defensive system was worth sticking with and would get better as the season wore on

* Adelaide's game style was based on efficiency and it was unsustainable

* Adelaide had zero chance of winning the flag because their midfield in both defence and attack is poor

If we fail again in 2017 with all the pieces we were meant to have in 2016 in place...then yeah, I'll put up my hand and say I got it horribly wrong.

You do spend a lot of time defending yourself on here.

 

[footy4ever]

Geelong lost a big driver of their play out of defence when Enright retired. Not only that, he was their best defender period. Getting Tuohy helped with replacing their drive but their defence is weaker this season. Add to that the reduction in effectiveness of their ruck strategy with the loss of Blicavs going third man up and the loss of Bartel as a good stop gap around the ground and I can see them falling significantly, especially since they made top four on the back of four wins against Essendon and Brisbane.

I like this heaps, particularly the gimme wins against Essendon and Brisbane, but it's just wishful thinking, like those thinking Hawks will be ordinary this year because no Mitchell and Lewis. I do wish it to eventuate however. I doubt it though.

 

[Elite Crow]

I've made a lot of statements. You just focus on the ones that I've got wrong because it suits your agenda, and because you think I'm afraid of being wrong when I'd rather have conviction in my beliefs. As I said - who cares? Truth is both relative and subjective. Especially when it comes to sport.

A few things though:

1. It's not my fault Hinkley thought the game was going to slow down and become more one on one. All my predictions were predicated on the fact that we were going to stay with the same gameplan we originally used offensively - quick ball movement in transition - and simply add a better defensive system to it. Instead, we wasted our entire preseason on building endurance to cope with an interchange cap issue that never came and allowed poor teams to exploit our lack of power running.

2. It's not my fault that we had so many injuries and suspensions last year - injuries to key planks of our transition and not to generic half back flankers and inside mids like the Bulldogs had. Oh, and to one of their exceptional key forwards that they obviously base their entire gameplay around since they could put in a kid and still win the flag.

3. It's not my fault that Lobbe is either a spud, was injured, or both, severely hampering our ability to win hitouts against sides without a decent ruck and compete against those that did have one. I said that he needed to get back to his 2014 form if we were to have a chance. He didn't.

4. It's not my fault that our players threw in the towel last season when it was obvious that a decent ruck would have made things easier, and that they just treaded water for the year instead of seeing it as an opportunity.

5. It's not my fault that every single side in the finals fell over allowing the Dogs to win the softest premiership of all time based on how many free kicks they won, allowing them to compensate for their poor general play through transition to attack. How they won so many free kicks when Sydney is also a contested side and gave away so many free kicks for the exact same reason I'll never know.

7. It's not my fault that Adelaide's season was structured in such a way that you got all your hard games out of the way in the front half of the season so that when it came to the back half you could still easily win against the bottom 10 teams while you slowed down.

However, I got the following things right:

* The team that concentrates on pressuring the ball carrier all over the ground with a counter-press will be the one that wins the flag

* Port Adelaide's defensive system was worth sticking with and would get better as the season wore on

* Adelaide's game style was based on efficiency and it was unsustainable

* Adelaide had zero chance of winning the flag because their midfield in both defence and attack is poor

If we fail again in 2017 with all the pieces we were meant to have in 2016 in place...then yeah, I'll put up my hand and say I got it horribly wrong.

How then do you explain your optimism that a win against Melbourne would lead to a glory run to the finals and more? You knew all of the above and still said it.

 

[footy4ever]

* The team that concentrates on pressuring the ball carrier all over the ground with a counter-press will be the one that wins the flag

* Port Adelaide's defensive system was worth sticking with and would get better as the season wore on

* Adelaide's game style was based on efficiency and it was unsustainable

* Adelaide had zero chance of winning the flag because their midfield in both defence and attack is poor

Simplistic bullshit.

 

[treeman]

Anybody listening to fuddy duddy radio this morning?
Talking about the standard of women's footy being sub par.
It is getting too much coverage and poor Sanfl doesn't get as much.
Rucci saying next year it won't be as popular.
Graham trying to give it a go but at the end of the day under 16 boys sides would thrash them.
No strategy in how the girls play.

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[Geoffa32]

I've made a lot of statements. You just focus on the ones that I've got wrong because it suits your agenda, and because you think I'm afraid of being wrong when I'd rather have conviction in my beliefs. As I said - who cares? Truth is both relative and subjective. Especially when it comes to sport.

A few things though:

1. It's not my fault Hinkley thought the game was going to slow down and become more one on one. All my predictions were predicated on the fact that we were going to stay with the same gameplan we originally used offensively - quick ball movement in transition - and simply add a better defensive system to it. Instead, we wasted our entire preseason on building endurance to cope with an interchange cap issue that never came and allowed poor teams to exploit our lack of power running.

2. It's not my fault that we had so many injuries and suspensions last year - injuries to key planks of our transition and not to generic half back flankers and inside mids like the Bulldogs had. Oh, and to one of their exceptional key forwards that they obviously base their entire gameplay around since they could put in a kid and still win the flag.

3. It's not my fault that Lobbe is either a spud, was injured, or both, severely hampering our ability to win hitouts against sides without a decent ruck and compete against those that did have one. I said that he needed to get back to his 2014 form if we were to have a chance. He didn't.

4. It's not my fault that our players threw in the towel last season when it was obvious that a decent ruck would have made things easier, and that they just treaded water for the year instead of seeing it as an opportunity.

5. It's not my fault that every single side in the finals fell over allowing the Dogs to win the softest premiership of all time based on how many free kicks they won, allowing them to compensate for their poor general play through transition to attack. How they won so many free kicks when Sydney is also a contested side and gave away so many free kicks for the exact same reason I'll never know.

7. It's not my fault that Adelaide's season was structured in such a way that you got all your hard games out of the way in the front half of the season so that when it came to the back half you could still easily win against the bottom 10 teams while you slowed down.

However, I got the following things right:

* The team that concentrates on pressuring the ball carrier all over the ground with a counter-press will be the one that wins the flag

* Port Adelaide's defensive system was worth sticking with and would get better as the season wore on

* Adelaide's game style was based on efficiency and it was unsustainable

* Adelaide had zero chance of winning the flag because their midfield in both defence and attack is poor

If we fail again in 2017 with all the pieces we were meant to have in 2016 in place...then yeah, I'll put up my hand and say I got it horribly wrong.

I agree your backline was pretty good last year.

I personally think Trengove is a useless Key defender. He is slow, cant spoil and skills are poor. I said years ago that he is naturally an undersized Ruckman. He was capable in that role last year but not good enough against anyone bigger or more athletic than him. Which is most Rucks. Austin and Hombsh are a great pairing down back. Both can play big or small to adapt to who they play. They are smart footballers. Trengove is not.

Are you concerned that Ryder back in puts Trengove down back and upsets that mix down back. I would be.

I also cant see Trengove play much up forward. He does not have goal instinct and has no burst speed to create separation.

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[GreyCrow]

I've made a lot of statements. As I said - who cares? Truth is both relative and subjective. Especially when it comes to sport.

This is a fair call.

1. It's not my fault Hinkley thought the game was going to slow down and become more one on one. All my predictions were predicated on the fact that we were going to stay with the same gameplan we originally used offensively - quick ball movement in transition - and simply add a better defensive system to it. Instead, we wasted our entire preseason on building endurance to cope with an interchange cap issue that never came and allowed poor teams to exploit our lack of power running.

I don't go to the Port board so I don't know the truth to this or not, but as a gameplan I thought Hinkley stayed the course with the run and gun , Port just didn't have the cattle to execute that. The 2nd part , to me, is excuse making for getting it wrong.

2. It's not my fault that we had so many injuries and suspensions last year - injuries to key planks of our transition and not to generic half back flankers and inside mids like the Bulldogs had. Oh, and to one of their exceptional key forwards that they obviously base their entire gameplay around since they could put in a kid and still win the flag.

3. It's not my fault that Lobbe is either a spud, was injured, or both, severely hampering our ability to win hitouts against sides without a decent ruck and compete against those that did have one. I said that he needed to get back to his 2014 form if we were to have a chance. He didn't.

Lets put these together. Granted Lobbe spudded it up and far be it from me to say a player should be mollycoddled but his treatment at the start of the year wasn't going to lead to a good outcome. Trengove moving to ruck hurt you more than any move all year. His loss at CHB really did hurt the mixture back there.

4. It's not my fault that our players threw in the towel last season when it was obvious that a decent ruck would have made things easier, and that they just treaded water for the year instead of seeing it as an opportunity.

No, but it seems you were still singing the same tune , ''nothing is wrong, nothing is wrong we will be fine'' most of the year.

5. It's not my fault that every single side in the finals fell over allowing the Dogs to win the softest premiership of all time based on how many free kicks they won, allowing them to compensate for their poor general play through transition to attack. How they won so many free kicks when Sydney is also a contested side and gave away so many free kicks for the exact same reason I'll never know.

So much salt

7. It's not my fault that Adelaide's season was structured in such a way that you got all your hard games out of the way in the front half of the season so that when it came to the back half you could still easily win against the bottom 10 teams while you slowed down.

And if we had a soft draw finished by a hard one you would have said that it helped us the same. Stop pretending otherwise.

However, I got the following things right:

* The team that concentrates on pressuring the ball carrier all over the ground with a counter-press will be the one that wins the flag

* Port Adelaide's defensive system was worth sticking with and would get better as the season wore on

* Adelaide's game style was based on efficiency and it was unsustainable

* Adelaide had zero chance of winning the flag because their midfield in both defence and attack is poor

Hindsight. Just as you got many wrong

If we fail again in 2017 with all the pieces we were meant to have in 2016 in place...then yeah, I'll put up my hand and say I got it horribly wrong

What is a failure? I see Port in that 8-13 group of teams.

 

[Janus]

How then do you explain your optimism that a win against Melbourne would lead to a glory run to the finals and more? You knew all of the above and still said it.

Hope?

 

[Elite Crow]

Hope?

Delusion