2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[beartoo]

Who is paying the $600K?

Port don't have $600K - when was the last time you made this amount of profit.

The AFL are paying the Suns for moving their home game to China.

As usual, always, others are paying the way for Port...

FTFY

 

[Pdub]

Okay let me expand the maths to the entire league then.

Before:
Port: 11 home, 11 away = 22 games
Adelaide: 11 home, 11 away = 22 games
All other matches: 176 home, 176 away = 352 games
Total: 198 home, 198 away = 396 games

After:
Port: 11 home, 11 away = 22 games
Adelaide: 12 home, 10 away = 22 games
All other matches: 176 home, 176 away = 352 games
Total: 199 home, 197 away = 396 games

The other 352 matches are unaffected. In both scenarios every other team still plays 11 home and 11 away games.

Before
Port + AFC have 22 home games at AO.

After
22 games at AO + 1 game in China = 23 games.


Just try it, get 22 coins and see if you can make 23 coins by just flipping one coin.

 

[Scorpus]

Before
Port + AFC have 22 home games at AO.

After
22 games at AO + 1 game in China = 23 games.


Just try it, get 22 coins and see if you can make 23 coins by just flipping one coin.

The difference is that the league no longer has 11 home games and 11 away games for every team. Otherwise you would be correct.

 

[Smithy7]

Who is paying the $600K?
Port don't have $600K - when was the last time you made this amount of profit.
The AFL are paying the Suns for moving their home game to China.
As usual, others are paying the way for Port...

Port have got sponsors for the China game one of which is Shanghai based real estate tycoon Guo Jie Gui.
The AFL did not pay the Suns money for the game.

 

[Pdub]

The difference is that the league no longer has 11 home games and 11 away games for every team. Otherwise you would be correct.

Forget home games and away game, this is confusing you.

There are 22 games at Adelaide Oval, there must remain 22 games at AO. You can't take one of those games to china and have there still be 22 games at AO. If you switch a port home showdown to a crows home showdown, it's a game that was already at AO switching to a game that is still at AO. In the eyes of AO nothing changes. When you then take a port game to china AO now loses a game.

You can only have 22 games at AO and one in china by using another game (someone elses home game) by getting a 23rd game.

 

[Pdub]

Lol give it up scorpus is right.

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You sure about that?

 

[GreyCrow]

The solution is simple. Port sacrifices their home Showdown, giving Adelaide two home Showdowns. Both Port and Adelaide still play the same total number of AO games.

Port then buys a home game in China and foots the bill for the away team to fly there.

Thank you. Explained it much better than I did. This was my thinking as well

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Port have got sponsors for the China game one of which is Shanghai based real estate tycoon Guo Jie Gui.
The AFL did not pay the Suns money for the game.

Wrong again!

Gui's funding is tied to development expenditure in China.

Neither Port nor Port's sponsors are paying the Suns to buy their home game.

 

[Pea Nut]

Forget home games and away game, this is confusing you.

There are 22 games at Adelaide Oval, there must remain 22 games at AO. You can't take one of those games to china and have there still be 22 games at AO. If you switch a port home showdown to a crows home showdown, it's a game that was already at AO switching to a game that is still at AO. In the eyes of AO nothing changes. When you then take a port game to china AO now loses a game.

You can only have 22 games at AO and one in china by using another game (someone elses home game) by getting a 23rd game.

I thought Scorpus was right until Pdub explained it like this. You can't create another game from nowhere and call it a Port home game. Who would they play against ??

 

[GreyCrow]

Your maths doesn't work.

Port have 11 games at AO, we have 11.

They give 1 to us, Port have 10, we have 12.

They take one to china, Port have 9, we have 12.

Not sure this is right. My maths says 22 games at AO. 11 Crows 11 Port. Port gives us the Showdown game it is still 22 games. 12 Crows 10 Port. What Port do elsewhere is not affected by the SMA. (thinks before pressing ''post reply'' )

Port then use the space from the Showdown to invite another team overseas. There is no compensation to the other team because Port have only ceded an AO game.

 

[fabs33]

AFL’s China push headed by Port-Suns competition game
While it is a Port Adelaide initiative, the club has not given up a home game, instead purchasing one from the Gold Coast as part of the negotiations. The Australian reported earlier this year the Suns had been paid more than $600,000 as part of the deal.
Suns chairman Tony Cochrane said the business and sponsorship opportunities associated with selling the fixture offset the negatives of surrendering a home game for the fledgling club, which is yet to play finals.
More ..
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/99991ad17f18f987bfbb7475293e572e

That article was better than nothing, but it still doesn't answer much. All we know from it, assuming it's correct, is that the Suns were paid an amount. For what they were paid and who paid for it are questions that need to be answered before we can say that it was Port who bought the game.

Port have got sponsors for the China game one of which is Shanghai based real estate tycoon Guo Jie Gui.
The AFL did not pay the Suns money for the game.

These sound like assumptions. However, if we were to believe that some or all of the money that was paid to the Suns did indeed come from Gui, it still wouldn't prove that the game was sold, it may have just been relocated. And that's IF we are to believe you on that point.

 

[fabs33]

Not sure this is right. My maths says 22 games at AO. 11 Crows 11 Port. Port gives us the Showdown game it is still 22 games. 12 Crows 10 Port. What Port do elsewhere is not affected by the SMA. (thinks before pressing ''post reply'' )

Port then use the space from the Showdown to invite another team overseas. There is no compensation to the other team because Port have only ceded an AO game.

Think of it this way: how is Port able to give us a home game (their showdown) whilst still retaining a home game to play in China?

They can't give their cake away and keep it too.

 

[GreyCrow]

Forget home games and away game, this is confusing you.

There are 22 games at Adelaide Oval, there must remain 22 games at AO. You can't take one of those games to china and have there still be 22 games at AO. If you switch a port home showdown to a crows home showdown, it's a game that was already at AO switching to a game that is still at AO. In the eyes of AO nothing changes. When you then take a port game to china AO now loses a game.

You can only have 22 games at AO and one in china by using another game (someone elses home game) by getting a 23rd game.

Ahh now I see your problem

AO still host 22 games. Agreed?
Port play GC in China with all the home rights , jumpers, sponsors etc. Agreed?

Port are using GCs home game but retaining home rights. It is GC/AFL that have to come to an agreement with Suncorp . Which they have done.

 

[Pdub]

The difference is that the league no longer has 11 home games and 11 away games for every team. Otherwise you would be correct.

Here's a list of all the games at AO, 22 games, with port's showdown given to us. Which one of ports home games can you take to china so that there are still 22 games at AO?

 

[Pdub]

Ahh now I see your problem

AO still host 22 games. Agreed?
Port play GC in China with all the home rights , jumpers, sponsors etc. Agreed?

Port are using GCs home game but retaining home rights. It is GC/AFL that have to come to an agreement with Suncorp . Which they have done.

This is what has happened. This is bringing a 23rd match into the pool. This is not what scorpus is talking about. When they have purchased someone elses home game, there is no reason to give us their showdown.

 

[GrommoT]

They can't give their cake away and keep it too.

Can they eat the cake and then give away the remaining grease proof paper lining?

 

[fabs33]

This is what has happened. This is bringing a 23rd match into the pool. This is not what scorpus is talking about. When they have purchased someone elses home game, there is no reason to give us their showdown.

Port give us their Showdown, we give Gold Coast one of our home games, and in turn Gold Coast give one of theirs to Port...


...and we end up right where we started.

 

[pjcrows]

Does the article say how much?

Doesn't matter. State government will pay for it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I can announce Tex won't be marrying his current girlfriend .......well, not when you call her fossil on her birthday

 

[Scorpus]

Forget home games and away game, this is confusing you.

There are 22 games at Adelaide Oval, there must remain 22 games at AO. You can't take one of those games to china and have there still be 22 games at AO. If you switch a port home showdown to a crows home showdown, it's a game that was already at AO switching to a game that is still at AO. In the eyes of AO nothing changes. When you then take a port game to china AO now loses a game.

You can only have 22 games at AO and one in china by using another game (someone elses home game) by getting a 23rd game.

I definitely understand what you're saying, but it also seems like my maths is correct.

So I looked into it and concluded that for my scenario to work, a match would have to be played where both teams are the "home" team. Which is obviously impossible.

 

[Pdub]

I definitely understand what you're saying, but it also seems like my maths is correct.

So I looked into it and concluded that for my scenario to work, a match would have to be played where both teams are the "home" team. Which is obviously impossible.

So it you count 1 game as 2 games?

 

[Scorpus]

So it you count 1 game as 2 games?

No the same number of games are played, it's just that a game would be played with two home teams. Which is the equivalent of one team playing an away game instead of a home game but being listed as a "home" team

 

[Scorpus]

So it you count 1 game as 2 games?

The error I made was:

After:
Port: 11 home, 11 away = 22 games
Adelaide: 12 home, 10 away = 22 games
All other matches: 176 home, 176 away = 352 games
Total: 199 home, 197 away = 396 games

While each team plays 22 matches, there aren't 22*18=396 games actually played. There's only 198 games played, but there are two teams in each game.

So if the first 197 games are played, you end up with a 198th game with:
199-197 = 2 home, 197-197 = 0 away teams

 

[Pdub]

No the same number of games are played, it's just that a game would be played with two home teams. Which is the equivalent of one team playing an away game instead of a home game but being listed as a "home" team

It doesn't matter who's home game it is, Port play at AO 12 times, We play there 12 times. You can't have Port play there 11 times, us there 12 times for 22 games with us playing each other twice.

Look at the fixture I posted and tell me how you can take a Port home game to china, after we have swapped their showdown and still have 22 games at AO.

You can only do it by getting someone else's home game and either bringing it to AO or taking it to China.

 

[Scorpus]

It doesn't matter who's home game it is, Port play at AO 12 times, We play there 12 times. You can't have Port play there 11 times, us there 12 times for 22 games with us playing each other twice.

Look at the fixture I posted and tell me how you can take a Port home game to china, after we have swapped their showdown and still have 22 games at AO.

You can only do it by getting someone else's home game and either bringing it to AO or taking it to China.

The solution is you take someone else's home game to China but make it Port's home game as well

(See my error above for the explanation)