2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[Pdub]

The solution is you take someone else's home game to China but make it Port's home game as well

So if they have someone else's game to take to china, what do they gain from giving us their showdown?

 

[subaru]

AFL’s China push headed by Port-Suns competition game
While it is a Port Adelaide initiative, the club has not given up a home game, instead purchasing one from the Gold Coast as part of the negotiations. The Australian reported earlier this year the Suns had been paid more than $600,000 as part of the deal.
Suns chairman Tony Cochrane said the business and sponsorship opportunities associated with selling the fixture offset the negatives of surrendering a home game for the fledgling club, which is yet to play finals.
More ..
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/99991ad17f18f987bfbb7475293e572e

Doesn't say who paid it though.

 

[Scorpus]

So if they have someone else's game to take to china, what do they gain from giving us their showdown?

Obviously it wouldn't happen because you can't have a match where both team is the home team.

But if it were possible, what would happen is Adelaide would end up playing 11 games at AO, 2 of which are home Showdowns. Port would then play 13 games at AO, two of which are away Showdowns. They then play their 12th home match in China which is also the home match of the team they're facing.

So there is an advantage to Port of playing an extra game at AO while Adelaide plays one fewer.

 

[bomberclifford]

Can I ask you guys why you think it's a bad thing if Port has negotiated for someone else to pay Gold Coast for their home game.

My understanding is that the bulk of the costs are being covered by sponsorship but surely if we have convinced the AFL of the benefits, and got them to contribute, this is astute business.

 

[Pea Nut]

Can I ask you guys why you think it's a bad thing if Port has negotiated for someone else to pay Gold Coast for their home game.

My understanding is that the bulk of the costs are being covered by sponsorship but surely if we have convinced the AFL of the benefits, and got them to contribute, this is astute business.

Sounds a lot more like a charity to me !!

 

[subaru]

Port have got sponsors for the China game one of which is Shanghai based real estate tycoon Guo Jie Gui.
The AFL did not pay the Suns money for the game.

Where does it say that ?

 

[bomberclifford]

Sounds a lot more like a charity to me !!

And my response is, so what?

Do you think that your club doesn't receive contributions to its activities outside of operational revenue?

 

[Red mist]

And my response is, so what?

Do you think that your club doesn't receive contributions to its activities outside of operational revenue?

it does, but not from Bomber Clifford, maybe Greg Phillips.

 

[subaru]

Can I ask you guys why you think it's a bad thing if Port has negotiated for someone else to pay Gold Coast for their home game.

My understanding is that the bulk of the costs are being covered by sponsorship but surely if we have convinced the AFL of the benefits, and got them to contribute, this is astute business.

But you're not a business you keep telling us. This whole China sponsorship is smoke and mirrors. You have been given sponsorship dollars you have to spend there.
It's like you giving me a gift voucher for a birthday present and having to buy you the gift! How is that good business?

It's a total distraction to the season and with the bye being early, you have a longer back end to the season than any other club apart from the GC.
The little December sojourn of ping pong and kung fu left your not so "cool kids" back here having drinking sessions and fleeing the constabulary after crashing of cars!

I hope you do it every year!

 

[DD#23]

Can I ask you guys why you think it's a bad thing if Port has negotiated for someone else to pay Gold Coast for their home game.

My understanding is that the bulk of the costs are being covered by sponsorship but surely if we have convinced the AFL of the benefits, and got them to contribute, this is astute business.

oh its astute business, just wondering what its got to do with existing to win premierships - or whether you've just abandoned that idea in pursuit of the almighty yuan.

 

[Deaneus!]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-11/gambling-ads-out-of-control-says-premiership-dog-wood

Original Tweet: 11:37 PM - 9 Feb 2017 from Melbourne, Victoria
Story published on AFL.com.au site: February 11, 2017 3:08 PM

Wow, it only took the AFL one and a half day during the off-season to try to work out how to spin the story

"Wood's tweet was retweeted more than 1000 times and had more than 2700 likes. Most of the replies were strong in their support, however some queried whether he would be prepared to play for less money if the gaming industry pulled its financial support for the game."

oh, found the bit where they try to play it up.

First time I've seen a player say something ballsy for a while that i can think of.

 

[DD#23]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-11/gambling-ads-out-of-control-says-premiership-dog-wood

Original Tweet: 11:37 PM - 9 Feb 2017 from Melbourne, Victoria
Story published on AFL.com.au site: February 11, 2017 3:08 PM

Wow, it only took the AFL one and a half day during the off-season to try to work out how to spin the story

"Wood's tweet was retweeted more than 1000 times and had more than 2700 likes. Most of the replies were strong in their support, however some queried whether he would be prepared to play for less money if the gaming industry pulled its financial support for the game."

oh, found the bit where they try to play it up.

First time I've seen a player say something ballsy for a while that i can think of.

good on him!

 

[fabs33]

Can I ask you guys why you think it's a bad thing if Port has negotiated for someone else to pay Gold Coast for their home game.

My understanding is that the bulk of the costs are being covered by sponsorship but surely if we have convinced the AFL of the benefits, and got them to contribute, this is astute business.

Who said that?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Can I ask you guys why you think it's a bad thing if Port has negotiated for someone else to pay Gold Coast for their home game.

My understanding is that the bulk of the costs are being covered by sponsorship but surely if we have convinced the AFL of the benefits, and got them to contribute, this is astute business.

Just be honest about the whole arrangement, unlike what some of your colleagues have suggested that Port are paying for the whole adventure.

At least you don't appear to be trying to bullshit us, which is a good start.

 

[fabs33]

Just be honest about the whole arrangement, unlike what some of your colleagues have suggested that Port are paying for the whole adventure.

At least you don't appear to be trying to bullshit us, which is a good start.

I don't think anyone said it was a bad thing. From what I've read so far the question of who is paying was only raised in an attempt to ascertain just whose home game it is.

 

[bomberclifford]

Just be honest about the whole arrangement, unlike what some of your colleagues have suggested that Port are paying for the whole adventure.

At least you don't appear to be trying to bullshit us, which is a good start.

Isn't this just semantics Kane?

I don't believe Port are being dishonest. You seem to be trying to spin it so that whatever the case may be, that it's a negative.

If Port negotiates with sponsors/partners/AFL/rival clubs/Chinese benefactors etc to bring about a nett benefit to the club, isn't this to be applauded?

Why is it any different to what every other club does?

 

[bomberclifford]

it does, but not from Bomber Clifford, maybe Greg Phillips.

Clever.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Isn't this just semantics Kane?

I don't believe Port are being dishonest. You seem to be trying to spin it so that whatever the case may be, that it's a negative.

If Port negotiates with sponsors/partners/AFL/rival clubs/Chinese benefactors etc to bring about a nett benefit to the club, isn't this to be applauded?

Why is it any different to what every other club does?

Read the posts of your colleague on this thread trying to tell us Port have paid the Gold Coast using Gui's funding.

It's not semantics, it's correcting a made up story.

Good luck with China, but is too much to expect honesty on the arrangement, so We don't have to listen to your some of your sheep supporters making shyte up.

 

[bomberclifford]

Read the posts of your colleague on this thread trying to tell us Port have paid the Gold Coast using Gui's funding.

It's not semantics, it's correcting a made up story.

Good luck with China, but is too much to expect honesty on the arrangement, so We don't have to listen to your some of your sheep supporters making shyte up.

What's being made up? What facts do you have that contradict Port's PR on the circumstances?

From memory, you are business minded, yeah? (I seem to recall convos with you about financial stuff in the past) Look at it this way: it's a money in, money out situation.

The China venture provides many opportunities for revenue as well as additional costs. Money coming in from the initiative might include sponsorship, AFL contributions and China based benefactors. Costs include the development of the ground, fees paid to Gold Coast, travel costs for players/coaches etc. To try and isolate who is paying for what is a game of semantics that's only end game is to paint a particular party in a positive or negative light. It's a pointless exercise.

Ultimately, this game will provide Port with a nett financial benefit and a boost to the exposure of our brand on an international stage.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What's being made up? What facts do you have that contradict Port's PR on the circumstances?

From memory, you are business minded, yeah? (I seem to recall convos with you about financial stuff in the past) Look at it this way: it's a money in, money out situation.

The China venture provides many opportunities for revenue as well as additional costs. Money coming in from the initiative might include sponsorship, AFL contributions and China based benefactors. Costs include the development of the ground, fees paid to Gold Coast, travel costs for players/coaches etc. To try and isolate who is paying for what is a game of semantics that's only end game is to paint a particular party in a positive or negative light. It's a pointless exercise.

Ultimately, this game will provide Port with a nett financial benefit and a boost to the exposure of our brand on an international stage.

I'm not arguing over the business stuff & strengthening ties between the 2 countries. Clearly we have already seen Gui gets his land deal on the 2nd go.

I'm critical of your supporters claiming Port is personally financially backing the deal, including paying the Suns $600k, which is clearly bullshit... or that Gui is funding the game, which is again not true as his funding into be spent in China for development.

 

[bomberclifford]

including paying the Suns $600k, which is clearly bullshit...

Is it? How do you know this?

or that Gui is funding the game, which is again not true as his funding into be spent in China for development.

He's contributing to the project. Part of the project is development of the game in China. If the costs associated with this are less than the contribution, where does the surplus go?

 

[FR0GGY]

Can I ask you guys why you think it's a bad thing if Port has negotiated for someone else to pay Gold Coast for their home game.

Its not a bad thing but i don't think you can then expect it to be your home game, i.e. home jumper.

 

[bomberclifford]

Its not a bad thing but i don't think you can then expect it to be your home game, i.e. home jumper.

Why?

 

[FR0GGY]

Why?

Because its not your home game? You may have paid them to shift their home game, but its still theirs.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Is it? How do you know this?



He's contributing to the project. Part of the project is development of the game in China. If the costs associated with this are less than the contribution, where does the surplus go?

Port can't afford to pay the Gold Coast... & I'm confident your financial statement will prove this. The AFL have come to the party.

Gui has made it clear all his funding must be spent on development in China, so if it's not all used, I gather it would be returned.

All I'm saying is why can't your supporters be honest with the arrangements, whilst spinning bullshit... As it detracts from the event itself.