2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[adelaidecrows]

It is far deeper than that.

The Port hierarchy, the coaches, the supporters and half the media have overrated a very, very ordinary list for the last 3 years. At one stage there I was getting depressed because this team with soooooooo much talent was headed for a dynasty to rival that of geelong and Hawks. I snapped out of that depression when I took a look at the list and thought 'say whaaaa??'

It's the lack of talent that's the problem, and I hope they continue on their delusional path believing the 'we've got a top four list' fantasy.

Agree. I think they have a top 10 player list to rival that of the best clubs going around but the depth disappears very quickly. They traded their souls 2 years in a row for Ryder and Dixon and it put their club into a hole. They will have a forward line that other than Westhoff can't take a strong mark and will rely on their midfield seagulling the packs for cheap goals. Their defence will be horrid this year. Only Hombsch and Trengove are the standout names. If the game plan stays the same as the previous years (a leopard doesn't change its spots) most opposition teams will be able to get cheap goals due to ports down hill skiing midfield tripping over themselves to race each other to their forward line instead of defending.

 

[subaru]

It is far deeper than that.

The Port hierarchy, the coaches, the supporters and half the media have overrated a very, very ordinary list for the last 3 years. At one stage there I was getting depressed because this team with soooooooo much talent was headed for a dynasty to rival that of geelong and Hawks. I snapped out of that depression when I took a look at the list and thought 'say whaaaa??'

It's the lack of talent that's the problem, and I hope they continue on their delusional path believing the 'we've got a top four list' fantasy.

As long as Neade keeps getting games I'm happy

 

[subaru]

It seems "you" (AFL/Port/SA Govt/Shanghia Cred whoever who cares) paid the Gold Coast to be the home team in Shanghai. Hence the AFL ruling on jumper and the way it is presented in the schedule with GC named first.

You may be allowed to do your scarf waving act over there though.

You will also have Port Adelaide/SA logo signage over there as well.

But it is technically Gold Coast's home game. The actual game wont make money, the gates will be open to people living there like the Womans games. The only people paying to get in will be those buying tickets now as part of travel packages. Plus the cost to fix the stadium and surface will far outweigh revenue earnt So in terms of revenue from the game that aspect of a home game is irrelevant.

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Entails "significant risks " Gil said

"Significant "
China stuff doesn't even make on line news anymore
Relegated to back pages of local rag


Long way to go to wave a scarf !

The Port supporters going still have to pay for their ticket - bet Koch's buddies won't be paying

Deplorable that after spending $1000 + they have to pay to get in to a game against a pretty shit opponent in a shit stadium !

 

[WaynesWorld19]

HAWTHORN

THERE will be plenty of eyes on Hawthorn in 2017 and the club’s intra-club match showcased their SuperCoach potential.

Sure to be one of the most popular picks come Round 1 if he plays a full JLT Community Series, new captain Jarryd Roughead ($367,100, Fwd) was in everything at Waverley, kicking four goals and collecting 22 disposals.

Fellow forward Jack Gunston ($502,300, Fwd) put his name forward as a point-of-difference option with 28 touches and two goals.

Of the new faces Jaeger O’Meara ($318,900, Mid) was the name on everyone’s lips and didn’t disappoint with 16 touches and a goal while Ricky Henderson ($420,100, Def-Mid) managed 20 disposals.

 

[Geoffa32]

HAWTHORN

THERE will be plenty of eyes on Hawthorn in 2017 and the club’s intra-club match showcased their SuperCoach potential.

Sure to be one of the most popular picks come Round 1 if he plays a full JLT Community Series, new captain Jarryd Roughead ($367,100, Fwd) was in everything at Waverley, kicking four goals and collecting 22 disposals.

Fellow forward Jack Gunston ($502,300, Fwd) put his name forward as a point-of-difference option with 28 touches and two goals.

Of the new faces Jaeger O’Meara ($318,900, Mid) was the name on everyone’s lips and didn’t disappoint with 16 touches and a goal while Ricky Henderson ($420,100, Def-Mid) managed 20 disposals.

Hodge will play more in the middle with Hendo playing that sweeping quarterback role. He will look good there as he can be one soft link in a very tough chain.

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[MRB37]

HAWTHORN

THERE will be plenty of eyes on Hawthorn in 2017 and the club’s intra-club match showcased their SuperCoach potential.

Sure to be one of the most popular picks come Round 1 if he plays a full JLT Community Series, new captain Jarryd Roughead ($367,100, Fwd) was in everything at Waverley, kicking four goals and collecting 22 disposals.

Fellow forward Jack Gunston ($502,300, Fwd) put his name forward as a point-of-difference option with 28 touches and two goals.

Of the new faces Jaeger O’Meara ($318,900, Mid) was the name on everyone’s lips and didn’t disappoint with 16 touches and a goal while Ricky Henderson ($420,100, Def-Mid) managed 20 disposals.

So basically his usual self then.

 

[Thetrader15]

Personally I wouldn't have given Hartigan. But McGovern + defender for De Goey + first round sounds appealing to me

Id do gov + cheney for DG plus top 10 pick

 

[Thetrader15]

So basically his usual self then.

...most of which were ineffective

 

[tinman]

... & Crows members pay more for the same seats than Port members.

Same seat yes, but Crows members get to watch a decent team. #wortheverypenny

 

[1970crow]

...most of which were ineffective

You're obviously thinking of a different player. They were talking about Ricky Henderson who played for us and is now at Hawthorn.

 

[Scorpus]

You're obviously thinking of a different player. They were talking about Ricky Henderson who played for us and is now at Hawthorn.

Can't say I'll miss his long bombs down the line to a contest

 

[Elite Crow]

Can't say I'll miss his long bombs down the line to a contest

His kicking was pretty good against West Coast.

 

[sgPanther]

And of the Western Bulldogs $5+Million gross profit from Pokie Machines in 2015??
And god knows how much in 2016.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/hawthorn-tops-the-pokies-losses-ladder-20160404-gnxys2.html

Wow... whilst I agree with the sentiment of the tweet, to extract that much profit from your supporters through gambling does mean he should start his fight a little closer to home.

 

[1970crow]

Can't say I'll miss his long bombs down the line to a contest

At least they're long, Jaensch and Mackay built a reputation of having elite legs based on less. Of course you obviously haven't watched a lot of him. He's one of the very few players who held onto the ball, created a bit of time and space with keg speed and was prepared to identify an execute to a target in space. He's also the only player who regularly hit a forward target in the debacle against the Eagles last year.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

At least they're long, Jaensch and Mackay built a reputation of having elite legs based on less. Of course you obviously haven't watched a lot of him. He's one of the very few players who held onto the ball, created a bit of time and space with keg speed and was prepared to identify an execute to a target in space. He's also the only player who regularly hit a forward target in the debacle against the Eagles last year.

Henderson?

 

[Scorpus]

At least they're long, Jaensch and Mackay built a reputation of having elite legs based on less. Of course you obviously haven't watched a lot of him. He's one of the very few players who held onto the ball, created a bit of time and space with keg speed and was prepared to identify an execute to a target in space. He's also the only player who regularly hit a forward target in the debacle against the Eagles last year.

I have watched a lot of him. He has a long kick. He has a few good games per year. But in my opinion when he has a poor to typical game he tends to be a slow decision maker that loves the bomb. He doesn't have a game breaking kick.

Also, not sure Mackay has a reputation for being a good kick

 

[1970crow]

I have watched a lot of him. He has a long kick. He has a few good games per year. But in my opinion when he has a poor to typical game he tends to be a slow decision maker that loves the bomb. He doesn't have a game breaking kick.

If we're going to bin players who don't have a game breaking kick, we'll be sending no more than 3 players out there each week. Where you say he's a slow decision maker, I see a player who holds onto the ball, trusts his pace, can move laterally and looks through 180 degrees to find a target, rather than just kicking long to a contest. I'd be surprised if statistically he isn't in the top 2-3 player who open up the centre of the field from our group.

 

[Scorpus]

If we're going to bin players who don't have a game breaking kick, we'll be sending no more than 3 players out there each week. Where you say he's a slow decision maker, I see a player who holds onto the ball, trusts his pace, can move laterally and looks through 180 degrees to find a target, rather than just kicking long to a contest. I'd be surprised if statistically he isn't in the top 2-3 player who open up the centre of the field from our group.

Henderson is the sort of player that marks, peddles back, and waits for an option if he isn't in heaps of space to begin with. He doesn't create space from no space or 'take the game on'. He doesn't quickly pinpoint players out of nowhere.

There's a reason he was delisted. We wanted him to be a game breaker and be just isn't

 

[1970crow]

Henderson is the sort of player that marks, peddles back, and waits for an option if he isn't in heaps of space to begin with. He doesn't create space from no space or 'take the game on'. He doesn't quickly pinpoint players out of nowhere.

There's a reason he was delisted. We wanted him to be a game breaker and be just isn't

I don't disagree that he backpeddles, he does it in general play as well. He does this to find himself some time and soace which is a damn site better than other game breaking kicks who routinely bomb forward regardless of how much time and space they actually have. No doubt he was fringe and not in our plans, but then neither was Lyons. Hawks haven't picked him up for his in and under work, but it remains to be seen whether he even gets a game for them.

 

[Pea Nut]

Id do gov + cheney for DG plus top 10 pick

I think that is madness. Would you want DeGoey as a genuine full-time mid ?? Cos as a small forward, he wouldn't get a game. That trade puts us even further away from a flag imo.

 

[Deaneus!]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-12/blues-on-the-same-track-as-giants-says-threeclub-palmer

I can think of a reason why Carlton this year looks like GWS from three years ago.

I can think of a good reason.

 

[GrommoT]

There are 9 good reasons, actually

 

[Bovo]

They were told if they work hard they will have success.

They worked hard for two years and failed.

That playing group have reverted back to the lazy sods they were under Primus.

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That was them working hard????

 

[Bovo]

AFL’s China push headed by Port-Suns competition game
While it is a Port Adelaide initiative, the club has not given up a home game, instead purchasing one from the Gold Coast as part of the negotiations. The Australian reported earlier this year the Suns had been paid more than $600,000 as part of the deal.
Suns chairman Tony Cochrane said the business and sponsorship opportunities associated with selling the fixture offset the negatives of surrendering a home game for the fledgling club, which is yet to play finals.
More ..
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...e/news-story/99991ad17f18f987bfbb7475293e572e

Thanks for that. Now unlike many Crows supporters I give kudos for Port doing the whole China game. However, I have always questioned when Port wants to play in Darwin and now China, why they don't give up a game themselves. They have a habit of coming up with a good strategy but always expect someone else to give up a home game for it. Again kudos for even making that work.....but yeah....always a head scratching thing....moreso that other clubs give up their home game for Port.

 

[Lockhart Road]

Thanks for that. Now unlike many Crows supporters I give kudos for Port doing the whole China game. However, I have always questioned when Port wants to play in Darwin and now China, why they don't give up a game themselves. They have a habit of coming up with a good strategy but always expect someone else to give up a home game for it. Again kudos for even making that work.....but yeah....always a head scratching thing....moreso that other clubs give up their home game for Port.

Thanks for that, too.
As far as the Shanghai home game / home ground is concerned Gold Coast was not asked to 'give up' per se but to sell certain game-control rights to one of their eleven 2017 home games which has been relocated to Shanghai. This arrangement has been credited as 'innovative' according to global standards by a London sports business magazine.
The transfer sum involved I have seen / heard quoted as a minimum of $400k and a maximum of $600k.
As things stand the funding (via PAFC) for this, plus the balance of the cost of the Round 8 project, originates mainly from AusGOLD Mining, who are the main Match sponsors as well as Open To The World programme sponsors, and also from Mr Gui Guojie who signed the MoU in Shanghai in April 2016 with Gil McLachlan and Keith Thomas, witnessed by the PM.
One of the clauses in that MoU promised an AFL match for premiership points would be staged in Shanghai as soon as possible. This match is part of Mr Gui's 'Gift to Shanghai', his home town, so it's logical that part of his first year's instalment in the three-year deal (paid in advance), and second year no doubt, would go towards the Round 8 project ... as well as other aspects of the continuous game development programme being orchestrated, in Shanghai, via the Shanghai Tigers FC in conjunction with South China AFL in Guangdong and Hong Kong where PAFC have been developing AFL for three years.
To my knowledge AFL House has not to this point contributed any funding, but is providing essential services in support of the project. I say again: 'to this point'. I'm unaware what funding, if any, will come later.
Other partners, of whom Cathay Pacific is the most obvious, are providing services and funding. Discussions with other benefactors are ongoing in the Club's quest to at a minimum break even on an international event that - regardless of result, both on- and off-field - will write a new piece of sports history for Australia. DFAT are pretty keen on this. They call it Sports Diplomacy.
On the subject of Gold Coast wearing their red livery - and this is my personal comment only - this will hugely benefit the exposure of our great game across China via TV and social media. A casual Chinese surfer, attracted by the red and gold on his or her screen would be more inclined to dally a while, thereby boosting viewership and related data on our road to a potentially lucrative national CCTV contract sooner rather than later.
Hope this helps.
BTW, Mr Gui, soft-spoken little battler that he is, won his share of the pastoral leases to the Kidman cattle stations at his third attempt, not second.