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That same "expert" had Marchbank ahead of Curnow.
Hardwick had a solid year. I would probably have him 7th or 8th in line for the Rising Star this year
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Hardwick had a solid year. I would probably have him 7th or 8th in line for the Rising Star this year
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The fact you have Lance on side is more indicative of being at fault than anything else.
He's not the only one to be on-side in acknowledging that using any or all of those metrics to suggest Burton is the winner of the award is absurd.
I would suggest most rational people would agree also.
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Or maybe he is taking the piss by linking himself with the biggest troll on Big FootyThe fact you have Lance on side is more indicative of being at fault than anything else.
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I disagree with that too, but not to the same extent.
Yes, and my comment wasn't designed to suggest to the contrary. Just find it very odd that anyone could have him in their top 5 - particularly at the expense of Curnow.
they were virtually all playing when you lost 5 of the first 7 games...If you look past the abysmal first month, Hawthorn's season wasn't that bad. I posted a ladder from Rd 5 to 23 which shows the Hawks ahead of Essendon and just 1 win behind Adelaide and Geelong.
As for Burton playing the "hero role", the All Australian selectors (same guys judging the Norm Smith) didn't seem to have any issues with picking 6 "heroes" for the All Australian backline
The Big Footy brain trust doesn't seem to take into account how Hawthorn was decimated by injuries this season. Frawley, Gibson, Birchall, Stratton, O'Meara, Ceglar, Puopolo, Rioli and 3 or 4 fringe players missed virtually the entire season.
That's most of our premiership-winning defence!!!
Burton played bloody well alongside inexperienced players such as Brand, Hardwick, Sicily, Glass, etc. Gunston also played a new role in defence and looked lost for most of the season. Luke Hodge was there and played like a getriatric.
I see Essendon fans trying to make out how "easy" Burton had it compared to McGrath
McGrath had a great year by all reports, but maybe it helped playing in a settled backline with experienced players such as Hurley, Baguley, Goddard
24 more hours mate. Then either he can be strut around about how powerful the team of the week is as a metric or he can end up with Hird on his face like he did regarding his absolute certainty about Zaharakis leaving
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The same could be said for most of those players who attracted just the 1 vote....And yet you chose to focus only upon Hardwick....Hmmm...Now fancy that.
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If you look past the abysmal first month, Hawthorn's season wasn't that bad. I posted a ladder from Rd 5 to 23 which shows the Hawks ahead of Essendon and just 1 win behind Adelaide and Geelong.
As for Burton playing the "hero role", the All Australian selectors (same guys judging the Norm Smith) didn't seem to have any issues with picking 6 "heroes" for the All Australian backline
The Big Footy brain trust doesn't seem to take into account how Hawthorn was decimated by injuries this season. Frawley, Gibson, Birchall, Stratton, O'Meara, Ceglar, Puopolo, Rioli and 3 or 4 fringe players missed virtually the entire season.
That's most of our premiership-winning defence!!!
Burton played bloody well alongside inexperienced players such as Brand, Hardwick, Sicily, Glass, etc. Gunston also played a new role in defence and looked lost for most of the season. Luke Hodge was there and played like a getriatric.
I see Essendon fans trying to make out how "easy" Burton had it compared to McGrath
McGrath had a great year by all reports, but maybe it helped playing in a settled backline with experienced players such as Hurley, Baguley, Goddard
Thats great, but the season is 22 games, not 15.
You mention all those injuries, but do you think if that full backline is fit that Burton gets nearly as much ball or exposure? Absolutely not.
Burton has been terrific and i said i think he should win it, but his role is very different to McGraths which makes it hard to compare on statistics.
For example when Essendon played us he played on eddie betts. There's no way Burton would've been given a role like that, because a) hes not that type of player and b) it would've taken away from his major positive attributes.
A better comparison is McGrath is a better version of Hardwick.
Also just another point, when you sucked at the start of the year, most of those players were fit...I dont get this excuse from hawthorn fans...its counterintuitive. They wanna talk about how good their 2nd half has been, but mention the injuries as an excuse for a poor year...
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What on earth Free Agency & unsigned players have to do with the Rising Star award is anyone's guess Lance.
the common denominator is your absolute certainty that your opinion is right. Certainty that proved poorly founded in the Zaharakis scenario and remains to be seen regarding the RS
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What?
How many others gave Hardwick a vote over Curnow?
Why would I focus on something else when that's the point I disagreed with?
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As I have previously pointed out Lance....Based purely upon the season both have had in 2017, then Burton should be the outright favorite.
However....As we all know, politics plays a role in such things; And despite the fact it's called the Rising Star, then issues such as age differentials & the fact this was technically Burton's second year, will count against him....Not to mention the added politics of justifying the AFL's Draft positions.
When taking these considerations into account, then I can see McGrath winning also....And I wouldn't have an issue with that.
Of course he would have had that exposure, it would have freed him up. He is an extremely good kick of the football hence we would have tried to get in his hands. The fact that we had so many injuries meant that he had to have more of a balance in his negating side because he was used as a KP defender. The player that was freed up though that time was Sicily.
One was used as KP defender the other as back pocket. Both players were used in negating roles and had to find the balance between defense and offense. One played on Taylor Walker the other played on Eddie Betts. In saying that the the role of KP is a lot harder than of a back pocket.
You'd be naive to no think that injuries have not played there part. In saying that our form was diabolical at the start of the year, especially our midfield. A game plan change also assisted.
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What you mean of course he would?
he didnt play when those guys were in the team? So how do you figure he would've had the same exposure...he wouldnt have got the jobs he did, or the ball he did...it makes no sense.
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What I meant was if those guys all play theres absolutely no way he gets the same opportunities...
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Clearly neither are in the same league as Dan Butler and Andrew Phillips
Tom Phillips.
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My bad
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It's the AFL Player Ratings system, not sure what it judges on but neither Phillips or Butler ever seem to have a huge impact on games and they're both the highest averaging of all the rising stars. Very strange system.
Their AA team had Sinclair and Hall on the wings, Fyfe as rover and Tom Mitchell not making the squad.
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Yeah its strange what they count and what they dont and the weightings.
Sinclair lol
He's got a few more possies lately, but Talia's rating was a real joke. I think he was like 15th in KPD at one point, simply because he was a stopper.
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Look no further than the 2015 RS. I don't begrudge Hogan winning the award. I think Cripps and Hogan were both worthy winners, so if wasn't going to be a tie, then one was always going to feel hard done by.
Compare their stats. Melbourne supporters will point to Hogan's 44 goals and his marks/contested marks (and rightly so). Carlton supporters will counter with Cripps' clearance and contested work (and rightly so). Both make solid cases for them deserving to win, but only one did. Compare their stats as a whole and Cripps looks far better. Apart from goals and marking, Cripps is a fair way ahead of most other categories and the ones that Hogan does beat him on are fairly close.
Leading your contemporaries in more statistical categories doesn't guarantee a win.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...pid2=3916&fid1=P&fopt1=2015&fid2=P&fopt2=2015
