List Mgmt. 2017 Trade and Free Agency Discussion - #Leverpulled and #Harleyrevved

[Theo X]

It was that or go public with mediation. This was the best outcome for the AFL.

Us being ripped off the best outcome for the AFL. Not surprised.

 

[Cannon82]

I mentioned this the week before it happened. The AFL is trying to kill the notion of the draft being used as a way of players getting what they want. There is a “non-existent” understanding of this between the clubs and the AFL.

AFL administrators must have performance-related clauses for meddling in their contracts.

 

[Devastating Boris]

AFL administrators must have performance-related clauses for meddling in their contracts.

To which there is no criteria

 

[Topkent]

The benefit isn't about building a relationship with clubs, it's about building then with agents. Next time a high profile player wants to move to Melbourne his agent will recommend Melbourne because the deal will get done early.

 

[Cannon82]

The benefit isn't about building a relationship with clubs, it's about building then with agents. Next time a high profile player wants to move to Melbourne his agent will recommend Melbourne because the deal will get done early.

I kind of doubt it. Who chooses a club on the basis of deals getting done early in the trade period instead of how much they get paid, where they're going and what shape the list is in?

 

[Proper Gander]

I kind of doubt it. Who chooses a club on the basis of deals getting done early in the trade period instead of how much they get paid, where they're going and what shape the list is in?

Turn it upside down. Players might think twice about nominating a club where it is known that they dicked someone around and the trade fell through.

 

[Cannon82]

Turn it upside down. Players might think twice about nominating a club where it is known that they dicked someone around and the trade fell through.

I would think on those occasions players are more likely to be upset with their current club then the one they're trying to get to. How often does that happen though, and can you really say a particular club actually has a history of it? I really don't think so.

 

[Topkent]

I kind of doubt it. Who chooses a club on the basis of deals getting done early in the trade period instead of how much they get paid, where they're going and what shape the list is in?

Listening to Connors(?) Or whichever agent was on open mike this year the agents influence the club the player goes too on occasion. Better to be a club agents push too like the Hawks

 

[DemonTim]

Listening to Connors(?) Or whichever agent was on open mike this year the agents influence the club the player goes too on occasion. Better to be a club agents push too like the Hawks

Yeah there was another manager on sen last week or the week before. Basically said managers will always try to deal with reasonable clubs to begin with and will try and get their clients to clubs that cooperate.

 

[TheCount]

I kind of doubt it. Who chooses a club on the basis of deals getting done early in the trade period instead of how much they get paid, where they're going and what shape the list is in?

Listening to Connors(?) Or whichever agent was on open mike this year the agents influence the club the player goes too on occasion. Better to be a club agents push too like the Hawks

He was talking about the Judd trade wasn't he? Judd wanted to go to Collingwood, but Connors knew they wouldn't be able to get the trade done, so he pushed him heavily towards Carlton

 

[Proper Gander]

I would think on those occasions players are more likely to be upset with their current club then the one they're trying to get to. How often does that happen though, and can you really say a particular club actually has a history of it? I really don't think so.

You don’t seem to understand how this works.

The idea is when your team appears to overpay in a trade, the first thing you do is get angry about it and the next thing you do is to find ways to rework it in your mind to persuade yourself that actually you didn’t overpay, instead you did something incredibly shrewd with long-term vision that makes your team the cleverest and means we’re undoubtedly building a dynasty.

By leaving out the optimistic delusions, you’re going about this entirely the wrong way.

 

[Cannon82]

Listening to Connors(?) Or whichever agent was on open mike this year the agents influence the club the player goes too on occasion. Better to be a club agents push too like the Hawks

I'm sure they have a bit of influence, but I still think its going to be a drop in the ocean compared to the pay and playing opportunities on offer and the state of the list. Anywho...

 

[Cannon82]

He was talking about the Judd trade wasn't he? Judd wanted to go to Collingwood, but Connors knew they wouldn't be able to get the trade done, so he pushed him heavily towards Carlton

I'm sure Juddy is forever grateful on that front, if true. If memory serves, Judd was looking to come back to a Melbourne club so he would've sent Connors scurrying off to discuss with the relevant clubs. The Judd trade would have been a bit of an outlier as a club needs to have some draft currency / promising players available to make a trade happen.

 

[Topkent]

I'm sure they have a bit of influence, but I still think its going to be a drop in the ocean compared to the pay and playing opportunities on offer and the state of the list. Anywho...

Yeah its anyone's guess how much influence, could be 1 in 100 players or 50 in 100. Suppose I've chosen the blind optimism route with the club on this one which feels very un Topkent like

 

[Proper Gander]

Yeah its anyone's guess how much influence, could be 1 in 100 players or 50 in 100. Suppose I've chosen the blind optimism route with the club on this one which feels very un Topkent like

I’m puzzled as to why you have tagged yourself

 

[Topkent]

He was talking about the Judd trade wasn't he? Judd wanted to go to Collingwood, but Connors knew they wouldn't be able to get the trade done, so he pushed him heavily towards Carlton

Yeah it was something along the lines of Collingwood had no trade assets and Carlton did so Connors pushed him to Carlton. Then Ablett senior rang him and pleaded he didn't go to Carlton because they were shit.

 

[TheCount]

Yeah it was something along the lines of Collingwood had no trade assets and Carlton did so Connors pushed him to Carlton. Then Ablett senior rang him and pleaded he didn't go to Carlton because they were shit.

So he's probably one of the few people who can actually say that they should have taken Ablett Snr's advice ...

 

[Topkent]

I’m puzzled as to why you have tagged yourself

How would Topkent normally third person himself?

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Yeah its anyone's guess how much influence, could be 1 in 100 players or 50 in 100. Suppose I've chosen the blind optimism route with the club on this one which feels very un Topkent like

Dude, you ****ing tagged yourself

 

[Ando727]

Btw you guys are in a win now situation so bringing in someone like crameri would def help

Did Crameri show anything before his injury at the Dogs to suggest he might return to some decent form? He was a very dangerous player a few years ago, but nobody would take him unless there was a real prospect that he had something left in him.

 

[Demon bhoy]

Yeah its anyone's guess how much influence, could be 1 in 100 players or 50 in 100. Suppose I've chosen the blind optimism route with the club on this one which feels very un Topkent like

Nothing wrong with blind optimism I reckon it’s a prerequisite for dees supporters, but I agree there is a whole range of factors at play and trades don’t take place in a bubble, Mahoney and crew do appear to have a long term plan that has extended back 3 to 4 years with Bringing Lever to the club this year the priority over draft picks.

From outside looking in it seems Lever was on the radar a long way out and with a minimum of fuss at Melbourne’s end the deal was done making the team better now, I’m over the draft being Melbourne’s grand final every year

 

[Theseventhhamster]

eh, Crameri I guess is a better Dawes

 

[Proper Gander]

eh, Crameri I guess is a better Dawes

Everyone apart from Dawes is a better Dawes.

 

[LeverPuller]

Everyone apart from Dawes is a better Dawes.

I'd say Dutchy Holland was a worse Dawes.

 

[booshboy]

I'd say Dutchy Holland was a worse Dawes.

blasphemy