List Mgmt. 2017 Trade/Draft/FA SuperMegaUltra Thread - Post Trade-Period Edition

[Obeanie1]

He doesn't and he won't be able to play that deep at afl level either. Unless he makes it as a mid i don't see a role for him at afl level. I'm happy for people to quote me, but i'm not going to get involved in a group circle jerk over a WA player when i don't see a role for them at afl level. He's certainly not leaving anything on the field and has produced some good numbers in specific instances and if he doesn't make it, it won't be for lack of trying. I just don't rate him.

You dont rate the role Lynch at the Crows plays?

What about the role Stringer plays?

Pavlich was the same height.

The game is about running and quality rotations.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

There was way less consensus than this year. It fluctuated between Gallucci, Berry, Powell-Pepper, English, some even wondered whether we might reach for Bolton, there was talk of Brodie sliding...

This year there seems to have been a point a week or two ago where it seems Oscar has been pencilled in and most phantoms now seem to have him going to us, but who ****in knows

It's either inside knowledge or groupthink. My money would be on the latter.

 

[Godfather32]

I just saw a mock on a site that had us taking Liam Ryan at 21, would be one of our dumbest draft moves of all time

 

[ronpingwins]

It's either inside knowledge or groupthink. My money would be on the latter.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...afl-national-draft-picks-20161122-gsunh6.html
A couple of days out last year Hagdorn was still hinting at SPP for us and English for Freo. I think they're largely making educated guesses

 

[Godfather32]

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...afl-national-draft-picks-20161122-gsunh6.html
A couple of days out last year Hagdorn was still hinting at SPP for us and English for Freo. I think they're largely making educated guesses

Half our recruiters had us taking SPP two days out

 

[ronpingwins]

Half our recruiters had us taking SPP two days out

A few people with East Perth connections had said we weren't keen on him until the second round a week or two beforehand, sounds like there was a debate internally, but the call had been made well before then.

 

[Keys]

Can anyone remember what the media had us picking at pick 14 last year.

I wanted Powell Pepper last year with Venables second but cant remember what the media said. If they predicted Venables, then I might listen a bit more closely to their predictions this year.

There was quite a few on here that wanted us to draft SPP but the media were generally guessing at who we'd take with Berry the one that most pundits had us taking just prior to the draft

My memory can be sketchy but Venables name was rarely linked to us as a possibility so don't be surprised if we take someone at 13 that hasn't been discussed to any great extent

Sheed was the last draftee that I recall we brought in that wasn't a surprise on any level

 

[WCE_phil]

You dont rate the role Lynch at the Crows plays?

What about the role Stringer plays?

Pavlich was the same height.

The game is about running and quality rotations.

1. No I don't rate the role Lynch plays at the crows.
2. Stringer is a power player, Allen is nothing alike.
3. Pavlich if drafted now, would not be as successful. Secondly at no stage has Allen ever shown he will be anything like the goal kicker that Pav was.

The game may be about running and quality rotations however to succeed at the top level you have to have a role in a side, be able to succeed at that role and for that role to drive the team forwards. As i said, i wish the kid the best of luck, but i don't rate him at all and thoroughly hope we don't draft him.

Allen was average before the national carnival, was very good during it and has been average since the national carnival. I don't rate him in the top 5 tall prospects this year and he will almost certainly not be a tall at AFL level yet some people want to spend a first round pick on him. I can't see him being successful.

 

[Monocle]

A few people with East Perth connections had said we weren't keen on him until the second round a week or two beforehand, sounds like there was a debate internally, but the call had been made well before then.

Nope my understanding the debate as to SPP v Venables went down to the wire ...... the day of the draft.
The "debate internally" is a sanitised polite version...... this call caused some angst among the recruiting team, with two very divided camps within the team.

 

[Monocle]

There was quite a few on here that wanted us to draft SPP but the media were generally guessing at who we'd take with Berry the one that most pundits had us taking just prior to the draft

My memory can be sketchy but Venables name was rarely linked to us as a possibility so don't be surprised if we take someone at 13 that hasn't been discussed to any great extent

Sheed was the last draftee that I recall we brought in that wasn't a surprise on any level

Correct Keys its very rare that WC reveal who they intend to take.
I think, most years, the media are just speculating and lazy journalism joins us with the WA kid, its a plausible easy call.

Its media code for we have NFI but the closest rated WA kids is as good a guess as any..... so we will go with that.

 

[GoldenEagle]

Since Simpson took over there is more emphasis on good kickers and decision makers and we draft accordingly. I believe that's why we went against SPP. He's a great player with his agression and hunger but god he can butcher it. Turnovers in the modern game are inexcusable and the main souce of opposition scoring.

 

[avishka5]

Dark Sharks you should look at hiring Lloyd rayney

 

[maverick001]

Hunter Clark?
Worst case to my mind is Beau Waters re-incarnate as a HBF. Defined role at afl level. In the second half of the season he's been one of the top 3 performed mids in the TAC cup. So super hard, super agressive, front line ball winner. Perfect.

Charlie Constable?
In tight, ball winner who makes the right decisions. Is not athletically gifted. It is a genuine limitation. However gets a lot of the ball, always seems to be in the right spot and gets quality possessions away and starts goal scoring chains. If he had genuine leg speed he'd be a top 3 pick. Constable has Luke Parker written all over him. Always got the right results, the right possessions, started all the chains. Somehow slides in the draft and then everyone goes HTF did that happen.

Aaron Naughton?
Genuine superstar tall potential. Marks the ball at the highest point, gets big numbers, reads the play exceptionally well, has performed against men (getting better and better the higher the level of competition). Negatives. Is as ugly as a hatful of assholes and has a very ungainly kicking action. Note his kicking hasn't had bad results but his base kicking action is similar to the kids face.

Jack Higgins?
The top performed junior footballer going by champion data numbers...... Wait for it...... Ever. is 178cm and not quick. If he was 5cm taller he would be the number 1 draft pick. Is like Toby Greene except he has better skills and gets even more of the ball. FOR **** SAKE IF HE IS THERE AND WE DON'T DRAFT HIM!!! If you went to any club in the land and asked them would they give up pick 13 for Toby Greene they would be falling over themselves to sign.


Club recruiters all seem to come from the same pool and group think has both it's advantages and disadvantages. They also very distinctly end up in groups where they overthink players, issues and situations.

There are basic rules of recruiting and issues that seem to be lost between scouts, recruiters and coaches. There is a very basic principle which if applied will provide a lot more success than most clubs seem to have. What role will they play at AFL level, how do they end up in that role and how does that role help the club towards a premiership.

Now we could get really lucky or we could completely **** this up. Constable could legitimately slide to 21 on fears of his pace. Higgins could fall to 13 on fears of his height. Yet they'd both look pretty bloody amazing in the same centre square setup. Constable's size covers for Higgins lack of it.

Oscar Allen is a maybe and has some great attributes. However he was absolutely fed in the championships and i don't ever see him producing results as a forward like that at any level ever again. He certainly didnt produce it as a forward prior to the national champs or afterwards. I'm going out big with the call here but i don't see anyway allen becomes a dominant afl level player. To my mind he was the third best performed tall from WA this year (who is also magically only 191.1cm) yet somehow people want to use pick 13 on him.

13 Higgins
21 Constable
26 Kelly
32 Worpel
37 Taylor

Like Constable, Matt Crouch springs to mind as a massive ball winner who slid for fears he was too slow. He's doing ok.

 

[maverick001]

Worpel is the other one in keen on.

I wouldn't be surprised at all with a Garner or Ling.

Garner and Ling - please no. We don't need more half backs. Garner sounds like a poor man's Duggan

 

[The Stid]

I’ve taken inspiration from the Facebook crew for my new updated phantom.

Instead of my original phantom of

13 Clark/ Higgins/ Constable
21 Bailey/ O’Brien/ Fogarty
26 Kelly/ Houlahan
32 Worpel/ Miers/ Moore
37 Miller/ Kreuger
69 Ryan/ Hayden

I’ve decided this should be our draft haul this year.

ND:
13 Allen
21 Kelly/ Hayden
26 Starcevich /Patmore
32 Ryan
37 Taylor/ Ainsworth
69 England/ Schloithe

Mastern stroke. Build a statue of O’Brien outside of Perth Stadium if he can pull this off.

 

[eagle dtrain]

Got a gut feeling... that we will get Higgins at 13 and Constable at 21 now that would be a great start to our draft. From there hopefully Bailey is available at 26 then Kelly 32 and Krueger 37 that would be a great haul

 

[The Stid]

Garner and Ling - please no. We don't need more half backs. Garner sounds like a poor man's Duggan

According to Cal Twomey that’s exactly what we need! We don’t have enough young speedy HB’s on the list apparently.

Even though we have Yeo, Shep, Watson, Cole, Rotham all on the list, And Duggo and Jacko aren’t speedy but they started to take players on and go for a run this is year. Shep is the only one on that list that is over the age of 25. I think Cal needs to do a bit less of throwing Shade at Nic and do a bit more research on our list needs.

Got a gut feeling... that we will get Higgins at 13 and Constable at 21 now that would be a great start to our draft. From there hopefully Bailey is available at 26 then Kelly 32 and Krueger 37 that would be a great haul

That would be an excellent resault! The ploddiness of Higgins and Constable would be offset through the pick up of Bailey, Kelly and even Kreuger, who is quite fast for his height.

 

[Pulsedriver]

Like Constable, Matt Crouch springs to mind as a massive ball winner who slid for fears he was too slow. He's doing ok.

IIRC, there were also fears that Matt Crouch's kicking was sub-par.

 

[liam123]

I’ve taken inspiration from the Facebook crew for my new updated phantom.

Instead of my original phantom of

13 Clark/ Higgins/ Constable
21 Bailey/ O’Brien/ Fogarty
26 Kelly/ Houlahan
32 Worpel/ Miers/ Moore
37 Miller/ Kreuger
69 Ryan/ Hayden

I’ve decided this should be our draft haul this year.

ND:
13 Allen
21 Kelly/ Hayden
26 Starcevich /Patmore
32 Ryan
37 Taylor/ Ainsworth
69 England/ Schloithe

Mastern stroke. Build a statue of O’Brien outside of Perth Stadium if he can pull this off.

Your original phantom is by far the better option

 

[The Stid]

Your original phantom is by far the better option

Nah... Vics are evil. They want to sabotage the club.

 

[Pulsedriver]

I’ve taken inspiration from the Facebook crew for my new updated phantom.

Facebookake? Pfft! You'd do better to take inspiration from and put faith in the power of Liam Duggan's mustache to give you the power of sight beyond sight.

 

[paran]

Dream draft:
13: Cerra
21: Higgins
26: Allen
32: Bailey
37: Kelly
69: Taylor

Lucky Draft:
13: Stephenson
21: Allen
26: Fogarty
32: Kelly
37: Taylor
69: Miller

Realistic:
13: Allen
21: Bailey
26: Kelly
32: Worpel
37: Miller
69: Hayden

 

[Milenko]

13 Higgins
21 Constable
26 Kelly
32 Worpel
37 Taylor

Exactly the picks this clubs NEEDS.

But won't happen.

Because O'Brien will O'Brien the shit out of us.

 

[FKASC]

According to Cal Twomey that’s exactly what we need! We don’t have enough young speedy HB’s on the list apparently.

After listening to him speak about Nic Nat like it was 2010 all over again ('someone who can jump high and get 3-4 possessions a game'), and then proclaim that Hurley is in the top 2 defenders in the competition, I don't rate Twomey's ability to assess football talent at all.

Absolute twit

 

[FKASC]

It's either inside knowledge or groupthink. My money would be on the latter.

I feel that some journo has spoken to a WC recruiter or someone else in the club who has said something along the lines of we will definitely take Allen if he's available - but not specified at which pick.

Then the journos have pencilled him in as a top 15 prospect and put 2+2 together. That's what I hope anyway