List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[ChookNorris]

Nicely put. I'm aware of that, but it doesn't do my point any good to highlight it. However, what I'm getting at here is that Scott's choice is as he says himself, only between those clubs that nominate him. If Geelong nominate him at all I'm going to be surprised. If Norf nominate him, he's going to be surprised.

He's staying put.

I agree. I’d say you’re a long way in front. Our only chance is if he feels the need for a change of scenery, which I don’t think any academy player has picked to date aha.

 

[17er]

North would have the picks for Thomas, Crocker and Scott, but I would suggest that North would have to dip into the 2019 draft picks and trade them in for some 2018 points to make it happen. North rates young Scott FWIW and Geelong definitely have a keen interest in him as does GC.

I wouldn't be so sure on Robert Scott hating the North part, they gave him a premiership, happily played for North after in 2000, he's good mates with the 1996-1999 boys and Geelong dumped him in the 1994 finals series and dumped from their list, but I wouldn't take much stock in a tabloid like whisper at the end of an article just yet. With Blakey more than likely heading to Sydney, North aren't going to give up on a F/S prospect, so they would nominate him, but the trend is location trumping heritage at the moment, so GC may very well be favourites as you've said, but nothing is certain as of yet, North have a habit of drafting/attracting academy players from QLD.

The only indication that Bailey Scott made that makes me think he'd choose Norf is when he said he'd like to be playing AFL as soon as possible - with 20 players on your list having played less than 10 matches, this is a rebuild in search of some building blocks ready to play now.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The only indication that Bailey Scott made that makes me think he'd choose Norf is when he said he'd like to be playing AFL as soon as possible - with 20 players on your list having played less than 10 matches, this is a rebuild in search of some building blocks ready to play now.

Midfield spots more than anything, so plenty of vacancies at North in that regard, GC not so much, although he would be handy depth, and the cats, he would have to bide his time.

 

[SunsBhoy]

I’ve heard the rob Scott and north rumours , but in the end Bailey will go to whoever is going to give him a chance , his not a 1st rounder lock , so a lot of 2nd rounders and onwards prospects don’t even get drafted . We have bypassed 2nd round academy prospects before in josh Williams , so not a lock to come here , will be a big year for him.


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[Peel67skin]

Midfield spots more than anything, so plenty of vacancies at North in that regard, GC not so much, although he would be handy depth, and the cats, he would have to bide his time.

I think if he perform well , GC will make a bid even if he select North and let North match it if North really value him as second rd talent .

 

[OB11]

I think if he perform well , GC will make a bid even if he select North and let North match it if North really value him as second rd talent .

At this stage our bid would likely come at the back end of the 2nd rd so wouldn't really be putting a team he nominated under the pump.

I think another thing counting against the Cats getting Scott is not only opportunities but salary cap in the medium term - if your paying Danger, Selwood and Ablett for the next 3 years your juggling a lot of big salaries under the cap to squeeze everyone in, let alone a 2nd rd rookie flanker.

 

[17er]

COMMENT: Is the draft becoming compromised?
Callum Twomey
Mar 8, 2018 10:00AM

North has first dibs on highly rated prospect Tarryn Thomas
If the League wants its draft night to attract more attention and be entertaining for fans, the growing amount of players who are already tied to clubs works in opposition to this
AS THE AFL continues to work on ways to enliven its draft night, it has an issue on its hands. Its product is becoming compromised.

As AFL.com.au reported last week, this year's draft pool looms as a big one for father-son prospects with more than 15 players eligible to join clubs under the rule.

A few may be early picks, however not all will end up on AFL lists. But add on a selection of northern Academy picks, plus a far greater proportion of top-end Next Generation Academy than ever before, and some recruiters believe there could be as many as 20 players who attract a bid during this year's drafts..

If the League wants its draft night (potentially even two nights) to attract more attention and be entertaining for fans, the growing amount of players who are already tied to clubs works in opposition to this.

Of course, the number of father-sons will change from year to year. Last season saw only two taken in the national draft – Patrick Naish (to Richmond at pick No.34) and Tyler Brown (to the Pies at No.50).

But the likelihood is that clubs will generate more and more NGA prospects in their respective zones as extra time and resources are placed in that development area.

This year could be the first time a top-10 pick comes out of a club's NGA, with North Melbourne having access to Tasmanian talent Tarryn Thomas. Collingwood also has first call on Isaac Quaynor from its Academy zone and some scouts view him as a possible top-20 selection.

The revised bidding system that was introduced in 2015 for father-son and northern academy players also applies to the NGA prospects, and will keep clubs honest with the top picks. It also has a safeguard in place where the finishing ladder position has a direct influence on how many academy players a club can draft inside the top 20, with top-four clubs only able to take one each draft.

But later on, with their 20 per cent points discount, it is easy for clubs to match a bid without impacting the position of their leftover picks. And despite the foxing of clubs closer to the draft, the best prospects will always end up at their nominated homes.

The Next Generation Academy is well intentioned. It was introduced by the League in a bid to develop more opportunities for players from multicultural and indigenous backgrounds. The AFL felt the best way to do it was by assigning regions of Australia to the 14 clubs outside of New South Wales and Queensland.

They had to incentivise it for clubs to full engage in the program, and granted the clubs first rights to players who come out of their NGA programs if they meet the required criteria in their 18th year.

The AFL will counter that the NGA is doing its job by producing more players out of markets it previously did not have great representation and that, instead of compromising the pool, it is actually growing the numbers of players up for grabs.

But with that, it has also bred more predictability for a draft night that AFL boss Gillon McLachlan admitted last year the League hasn't quite perfected.

Lots of things are under consideration for the annual intake of players, including breaking the draft into two nights, while live trading of picks during the draft appears likely to come into effect this year.

But as the AFL considers all of its plans, including where to actually stage this year's draft, it has to also keep an eye on whether its programs are healthy for a draft system that is its central equalisation plank.

 

[Peel67skin]

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JARROD CAMERON | SWAN DISTRICTS | HALF-FORWARD | 181cm | 70kg

The younger brother of Brisbane’s Charlie, Cameron is an exciting half-forward flanker who can push through the midfield. Blessed with some exciting attacking traits, he was frequently the one setting up the play with his run and carry and his elite kicking skills for Team Black. He also showed excellent defensive efforts with some exceptional tackles. Another big year looms for the talented youngster.

 

[OB11]

I was thinking with probably 2 potential top 10 picks in the 2018 draft I was thinking based on our current list what would we be in need of.

I think we are good for key position players at both ends (even think Thompson or Leslie will want to leave at year end for better opportunities - which would be OK given Day's versatility).

Thinking with Lyons, Swallow, Miller and Brodie they seem to be our only genuine inside mids so there may be a need to fill there as you can always use a few more than that.

Also thinking we need either a balanced midfielder or a dynamic small/mid forward that could pinch hit in the midfield (Hall and hopefully Ainsworth in the future seems to be our only guys with genuine line breaking ability forward of centre).

 

[GCStormie]

I was thinking with probably 2 potential top 10 picks in the 2018 draft I was thinking based on our current list what would we be in need of.

I think we are good for key position players at both ends (even think Thompson or Leslie will want to leave at year end for better opportunities - which would be OK given Day's versatility).

Thinking with Lyons, Swallow, Miller and Brodie they seem to be our only genuine inside mids so there may be a need to fill there as you can always use a few more than that.

Also thinking we need either a balanced midfielder or a dynamic small/mid forward that could pinch hit in the midfield (Hall and hopefully Ainsworth in the future seems to be our only guys with genuine line breaking ability forward of centre).

Didn't we have this discussion re inside mids last year only to discover that our list is composed of pretty much entirely midfielders already?
Players on the list that would list inside mid as their preferred position in addition to those named: Lonergan (realistically gone this end of season), Scheer (playing fwd as too many inside mids), Macpherson (also playing forward), Barlow, Holman (can you see a theme), Rischitelli (looks to have been sent to the backline) personally you can really only have a few of these players in the team at once as generally they slow your team down as typically they aren't as fleet of foot as your flankers/outside mids.

As I've been saying since i joined the forum, in my opinion what we are short on is forwards. Looking down the list I can only name the following guys who i feel are natural forwards
Ainsworth, Ah Chee, Young (however moved to get opportunities up the ground ), Lynch, Lemmens, Crossley (surely given this paragraph he'll be developed as a forward.), Wright, Day
So that is 8 guys to fill 10 spots across AFL and NEAFL, assuming there are no injuries (hello Ah Chee/Lemmens/Wright!)- also assuming 1 of your 6 'forward' places are taken by a mid for rotation purposes. And to be fair the 2017 intake boys I'm not sure which if any are forwards.

Seriously need to recruit a whole forward line this year

 

[kreglze]

Didn't we have this discussion re inside mids last year only to discover that our list is composed of pretty much entirely midfielders already?
Players on the list that would list inside mid as their preferred position in addition to those named: Lonergan (realistically gone this end of season), Scheer (playing fwd as too many inside mids), Macpherson (also playing forward), Barlow, Holman (can you see a theme), Rischitelli (looks to have been sent to the backline) personally you can really only have a few of these players in the team at once as generally they slow your team down as typically they aren't as fleet of foot as your flankers/outside mids.

As I've been saying since i joined the forum, in my opinion what we are short on is forwards. Looking down the list I can only name the following guys who i feel are natural forwards
Ainsworth, Ah Chee, Young (however moved to get opportunities up the ground ), Lynch, Lemmens, Crossley (surely given this paragraph he'll be developed as a forward.), Wright, Day
So that is 8 guys to fill 10 spots across AFL and NEAFL, assuming there are no injuries (hello Ah Chee/Lemmens/Wright!)- also assuming 1 of your 6 'forward' places are taken by a mid for rotation purposes. And to be fair the 2017 intake boys I'm not sure which if any are forwards.

Seriously need to recruit a whole forward line this year

To that point Dew has said Swallow will be deployed forward more often this year.

You also have Sexton who has spent spells in the forward line in JLT to reasonable success.

We probably do need another forward, like a 3rd tall lead up type or something but I reckon our forward line will surprise a few this year.

 

[17er]

We need to replace the oldest players and any first choice players who leave. The list is most shallow on the wing, even though about half the list has been deployed there. However, the way list managers think these days is to create mock boards of every player available and attach their own evaluations. Let's say we pick at #5, #10, #25, #30, #37, #40, #60 and #65. The first pick will go on the Best Player Available = BPA. Of course, that guy will have to have agreed to come to the Suns and play for a long contract, so he may not be 5th best. At #10, the recruiters might have a skills guy in mind, again not necessarily 10th best, who they want to take early because he won't slide to #25. I think Bailey Scott will go for a second rounder, so we will use one of our picks to nominate him. The other 2nd round pick #30 can again be used for BPA, while the rest of the picks get assigned to Academy players, maybe a top aged player.

Another tactic commonly used in the NFL is to trade live picks, which will be introduced in this draft. The Suns seem to me to be much more likely to trade live and go up to get their guy, but might also ready to trade back or into the next draft. These are pure speculators, but this is how these guys operate. Moneyball doesn't really come into it, except for Trades of players for picks, which the NFL has seen a declining value of players worth in picks. The Wigg and Young trades, 3rd rounder and 4th rounder, shows that we are already getting value disparity as players lose value after the draft (unless they are Ablett or Weller).

 

[17er]

Another strategy the Suns would do well to aim for is having Academy players we can nominate for without paying overs. Prioritising Academy picks is working for all Northern States. I'm also a fan of going to the same nursery for players, such as the Suns did for Wright and Miller, who are best mates, flat mates and likely to remain Suns to play together. The Giants are better at us than this, with Setterfield and Taranto both from Sandringham, born a week apart and selected a few picks apart. They also have 5 Dandenong Stingrays players worth 363 games, including Aiden Bonar from this most recent draft, so it could be closer to 450 games at the end of the season.

 

[Peel67skin]

Another strategy the Suns would do well to aim for is having Academy players we can nominate for without paying overs. Prioritising Academy picks is working for all Northern States. I'm also a fan of going to the same nursery for players, such as the Suns did for Wright and Miller, who are best mates, flat mates and likely to remain Suns to play together. The Giants are better at us than this, with Setterfield and Taranto both from Sandringham, born a week apart and selected a few picks apart. They also have 5 Dandenong Stingrays players worth 363 games, including Aiden Bonar from this most recent draft, so it could be closer to 450 games at the end of the season.

This only applied to Victoria draftees though , Can't see any south australia draftees playing in the same club .

 

[17er]

This only applied to Victoria draftees though , Can't see any south australia draftees playing in the same club .

Day and Ballard both came from Sturt. Lonergan and KK are both from Launceston. Ainsworth and Leslie are from Gippsland. 6 players are from Adelaide and are aged between 18 and 25. Small connections, but they are meaningful. They might also be meaningless, but I don't think so in most cases.

 

[Peel67skin]

Day and Ballard both came from Sturt. Lonergan and KK are both from Launceston. Ainsworth and Leslie are from Gippsland. 6 players are from Adelaide and are aged between 18 and 25. Small connections, but they are meaningful. They might also be meaningless, but I don't think so in most cases.

I though KK from Tasmania and gippsland from victoria , so only two from adelaide in different draft year .Just pick best available/needs with good attitude .

 

[Matchu]

Hypothetical - if the AFL introduced a mid-season trade period this year and the Suns weren't going so well by that point, how many of you would be against trading Tom Lynch mid-season if it meant you were going to get something considerable in return?

 

[LynchysMob]

Hypothetical - if the AFL introduced a mid-season trade period this year and the Suns weren't going so well by that point, how many of you would be against trading Tom Lynch mid-season if it meant you were going to get something considerable in return?

**** no ahaha. You'd wait until the end of the year to try convince him.

If he was to leave, which I think he won't... We will get top top dollar regardless. He is well regarded as the first choice centre piece for anyone if they were to build a team from scratch.

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[kreglze]

Unless they are offering 2 early first rounders AND a great player that would want to come here, I would tell them to move along.

 

[SunsBhoy]

Hypothetical - if the AFL introduced a mid-season trade period this year and the Suns weren't going so well by that point, how many of you would be against trading Tom Lynch mid-season if it meant you were going to get something considerable in return?

If Tom came out and said I want out which is extremely unlikely I’d consider it.


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[Matchu]

**** no ahaha. You'd wait until the end of the year to try convince him.

If he was to leave, which I think he won't... We will get top top dollar regardless. He is well regarded as the first choice centre piece for anyone if they were to build a team from scratch.

Unless they are offering 2 early first rounders AND a great player that would want to come here, I would tell them to move along.

If Tom came out and said I want out which is extremely unlikely I’d consider it.

The reason I asked is because it's quite common in American sports for a team to trade a free agent mid-season if they think they won't be able to convince them to stay. So they essentially auction them off and get the most they possibly can for that player while they still have some leverage.

It's a bit different in the AFL because the player has to agree to the trade and compensation still exists so it changes the situation. Anyway, food for thought so I thought I'd ask.

 

[17er]

I though KK from Tasmania and gippsland from victoria , so only two from adelaide in different draft year .Just pick best available/needs with good attitude .

Just making the point that not all same club guys are from VIC. We have multiple players from every State and Territory, except ACT, which is Giants country anyway and not noted for AFL. Same year isn't essential because there might be a broader connection. The Suns have sucked at picking brothers, but shouldn't stop trying if it means retaining two interstate players - I'd be stoked if Mav Weller came back to the Suns (Abletts, Ah Chees, almost Swallows). Cousins is another route to take. Jonothan Brown and Marcus Picken are cousins and would have played premierships together if Picken hadn't been injured in 2001. The big fella credits his older cousin with being an influence on him and was certainly of great value to a kid from Warrnambool.

 

[Peel67skin]

Just making the point that not all same club guys are from VIC. We have multiple players from every State and Territory, except ACT, which is Giants country anyway and not noted for AFL. Same year isn't essential because there might be a broader connection. The Suns have sucked at picking brothers, but shouldn't stop trying if it means retaining two interstate players - I'd be stoked if Mav Weller came back to the Suns (Abletts, Ah Chees, almost Swallows). Cousins is another route to take. Jonothan Brown and Marcus Picken are cousins and would have played premierships together if Picken hadn't been injured in 2001. The big fella credits his older cousin with being an influence on him and was certainly of great value to a kid from Warrnambool.

That will be great if Sun willing to pick cousins , both play for the same club too.



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[OB11]

Didn't we have this discussion re inside mids last year only to discover that our list is composed of pretty much entirely midfielders already?
Players on the list that would list inside mid as their preferred position in addition to those named: Lonergan (realistically gone this end of season), Scheer (playing fwd as too many inside mids), Macpherson (also playing forward), Barlow, Holman (can you see a theme), Rischitelli (looks to have been sent to the backline) personally you can really only have a few of these players in the team at once as generally they slow your team down as typically they aren't as fleet of foot as your flankers/outside mids.

As I've been saying since i joined the forum, in my opinion what we are short on is forwards. Looking down the list I can only name the following guys who i feel are natural forwards
Ainsworth, Ah Chee, Young (however moved to get opportunities up the ground ), Lynch, Lemmens, Crossley (surely given this paragraph he'll be developed as a forward.), Wright, Day
So that is 8 guys to fill 10 spots across AFL and NEAFL, assuming there are no injuries (hello Ah Chee/Lemmens/Wright!)- also assuming 1 of your 6 'forward' places are taken by a mid for rotation purposes. And to be fair the 2017 intake boys I'm not sure which if any are forwards.

Seriously need to recruit a whole forward line this year

Like your thinking. At present we are turning players that couldn't hit the side of the barn into pressure forwards as we are lacking decent goalkicking forward options on the list

Didn't we have this discussion re inside mids last year only to discover that our list is composed of pretty much entirely midfielders already?
Players on the list that would list inside mid as their preferred position in addition to those named: Lonergan (realistically gone this end of season), Scheer (playing fwd as too many inside mids), Macpherson (also playing forward), Barlow, Holman (can you see a theme), Rischitelli (looks to have been sent to the backline) personally you can really only have a few of these players in the team at once as generally they slow your team down as typically they aren't as fleet of foot as your flankers/outside mids.

As I've been saying since i joined the forum, in my opinion what we are short on is forwards. Looking down the list I can only name the following guys who i feel are natural forwards
Ainsworth, Ah Chee, Young (however moved to get opportunities up the ground ), Lynch, Lemmens, Crossley (surely given this paragraph he'll be developed as a forward.), Wright, Day
So that is 8 guys to fill 10 spots across AFL and NEAFL, assuming there are no injuries (hello Ah Chee/Lemmens/Wright!)- also assuming 1 of your 6 'forward' places are taken by a mid for rotation purposes. And to be fair the 2017 intake boys I'm not sure which if any are forwards.

Seriously need to recruit a whole forward line this year

I tend to think you are right - thinking we could use a versatile 3rd tall (e.g. the other Tom Lynch) and a brilliant line breaking crumber with terrific goal sense that can also apply great forward pressure (e.g. Cyril)

Based on premiership odds the supposed bottom 4 is suppose to be:

1. Kangas
2. GC
3. Lions
4. Carlton

To my mind from what I've heard there would could be a presumptive top 4 kids of:

Lukosius (clear #1 - mobile key forward)
Rankine (best small forward/mid)
King M (best traditional key forward)
Walsh (best balanced inside/outside mid)

Assuming the above order and that we don't finish last and that the Kangas do then Lukosius is off the table then I think the best fits for Suns would:

1. Rankine
2. Walsh

Ideally don't want to be drafting a M. King type who would struggle for opportunities given our key forwards and would immediately be courted to leave us to get back to Melbourne

If the WC pick was between 5-10 then the players that I would be keen on at this stage would be Rozee (bigger balanced mid with some forward craft) that you could pair up with his SA teammate or just get Ian Hill who while small is highly skilled, lighting fast and could play the small forward/pressure forward early in his career.

Also think that you could look to trade for some specialist small forwards that are not getting opportunities at other clubs (e.g. Jack Lonie at Saints)

 

[Jirik13]

I tend to think you are right - thinking we could use a versatile 3rd tall (e.g. the other Tom Lynch)

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