Opinion 2018 Non-Crows Discussion - Part 2: Tom Doedee, Rising Star Nominee & Port's New Major Sponsor

[MarcusP2]

It actually could've been far, far worse than it ended up being. He could've planted his feet and swung him backwards, or stuck his weight into him on the ground during the rollover. He actually went to every effort to make sure he wasn't seriously injured.




Interesting you link a video with Dangerfield getting tripped and nearly smashing his head on the ground in it as an 'acceptable' rundown tackle.

This wasn't the question posed though, how does NIC NAT from the position he was in against a player half the size of him tackle him in any other way?

I linked the one specified...35s in. Not every tackle (as a lot of them are trips and should have been paid as such).

He has both hands on him, the simple answer would be not launch him forwards.

 

[headache1]

Any time you launch yourself forward you're running the risk of faceplanting the other player.

Perhaps I should have provided a bit more context. How do you tackle somebody from behind who is a foot shorter than you, other than how Nic Nat did it? Honestly, what else does he do in that situation? He's much bigger, he has to run faster than the person in front of him, or he's not going to be able to catch him.

 

[Freewayflyer]

But how do you tackle somebody from behind who is trying to run away from you, other than how Nic Nat executed it?

I think you hear the ump saying in the video, ‘just need you to roll him mate’.

Granted his closing speed is crazy but he is probably right - a better technique...control his own body weight more, lift Amon less and bring him down on his lower side area.

I would have thought situations not unlike that occur regularly in games and players more often than not don’t give away a free kick.

 

[headache1]

I linked the one specified...35s in. Not every tackle (as a lot of them are trips and should have been paid as such).

He has both hands on him, the simple answer would be not launch him forwards.

The tackler is running in from an angle there, allowing him to take the player down sideways. He's tackling somebody at full pace, directly from behind who is also running, of course they're going to launch forwards.

 

[PasswordisTaco]

I linked the one specified...35s in.

But the circumstances are completely different. The player tackling in that video is the same size if not smaller than the player being tackled, and he ran him down at an angle from at least 5+ metres away which gave him plenty of time to size him up, because he has the pace to do it. I ask again, what other way could NN have tackled him? NN's size and momentum would always drive him forward, there's no way he could have 'rolled him to the side'. He actually tackled him in the safest way he could have, it could have been so much worse. Free kick.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Any time you launch yourself forward you're running the risk of faceplanting the other player.

Like that. Or you can also roll them to the side in the tackle.

 

[Squiba]

The issue is quite clear from the AFL's perspective. If you have a choice on a method of tackling/bumping, choose the one that doesn't put the head in jeopardy.

The thing is though, if he had bumped him there would be no question as to whether this is a suspension or not. If he had bumped, Amon would have sailed into the fence and god knows what would happen from there.

The AFL have been extremely harsh on those who elect to bump over tackling. Are you saying he should elect to bump, tackle, or let Among run off with the ball? Because from what you've written, you would rather him have bumped him clean in the back.

 

[Squiba]

But the circumstances are completely different. The player tackling in that video is the same size if not smaller than the player being tackled, and he ran him down at an angle from at least 5+ metres away which gave him plenty of time to size him up, because he has the pace to do it. I ask again, what other way could NN have tackled him? NN's size and momentum would always drive him forward, there's no way he could have 'rolled him to the side'. He actually tackled him in the safest way he could have, it could have been so much worse. Free kick.

Exactly, it is a free kick and we should move on. Look at Nic Nat's reaction afterward, he meant nothing of it.

Crux of the tackle was

- In the back
- 1 Arm pinned
- Around the body
- Amon played out the game

Fogarty's tunneling incident, Martin's tunneling on Brown, the Knees from that Port Player last weekend.... They were all deliberately designed to hurt a player and can have just as if not more dire consequences than an in the back tackle.

Ironically, I believe some of the people on the other side of the fence are being influenced by the fact Nic Nat is big and Fijian. Didn't hear any of them come out when Mumford was polaxing people and getting praised for it week in, week out.

 

[Geoffa32]

It's the world we live in now where everything has a $$$$ value. What happened to him is uncool and blatantly wrong but reading the article it would seem that he's failed in all his sporting pursuits since to earn a living so this seems to me to be attempt to make some $$$'s as the deciding decision given the time that's passed. Perhaps moving on and getting gainful employment outside of his sporting aspirations like so many other footballers have to do might be the way to go for Joel.

Forgetting it is a Football Club if it was in the "real world". He informed management of the harassment and they did not act on it. That is a failure of management and by extension the entity.

Since these guys are now professionals in a Profesional working environment such conventions now apply to the Locker Room.

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[Grooster24]

Fans coach approval ratings up on AFL.com.au

Top is Simpson at West Coast at 100%, Clarkson at 99% and Pyke at 98% (followed by Hardwick at 96%)

Bottom is Richardson, Worsfold and no surprise Hinkley.

I also like the approval of Pyke v Hinkley over last 12 months...

 

[arrowman]

Fans coach approval ratings up on AFL.com.au

Top is Simpson at West Coast at 100%, Clarkson at 99% and Pyke at 98% (followed by Hardwick at 96%)

Bottom is Richardson, Worsfold and no surprise Hinkley.

I also like the approval of Pyke v Hinkley over last 12 months...

Sydney and GWS relatively low ratings are interesting.

Oh, and #lolport.

 

[Squiba]

Sydney and GWS relatively low ratings are interesting.

Oh, and #lolport.

Cameron is a massive Dud and I think Horse has run his race.

Also interesting that Lyon is still so unpopular. Playing a lot of kids, getting decent performances, thought he'd be above Bolton, Goodwin and co by now.

 

[relapse]

Fans coach approval ratings up on AFL.com.au

Top is Simpson at West Coast at 100%, Clarkson at 99% and Pyke at 98% (followed by Hardwick at 96%)

Bottom is Richardson, Worsfold and no surprise Hinkley.

I also like the approval of Pyke v Hinkley over last 12 months...

Can't help but laugh at the million dollar man's approval rating, especially when he has 4 year contract in his hand and is not about to be sacked anytime soon.

 

[relapse]

Cameron is a massive Dud and I think Horse has run his race.

Also interesting that Lyon is still so unpopular. Playing a lot of kids, getting decent performances, thought he'd be above Bolton, Goodwin and co by now.

Yeah Leon Cameron is a dud, he reminds me of when Cornflakes was coaching St Kilda.

I tend to think that Cameron is going to burn through GWS' peak years with nothing at all to show for it at the end.

Lyon is suffering because he has a long contract and is trying to build a squad rather than exclusively play for wins which is often not a popular path to take.

Longmire is an interesting one, I tend to think he is rated highly outside of Sydney, but within the Sydney bubble people are tired of him and think that Sydney are under performing.

 

[GreyCrow]

Yeah Leon Cameron is a dud, he reminds me of when Cornflakes was coaching St Kilda.

I tend to think that Cameron is going to burn through GWS' peak years with nothing at all to show for it at the end.

One can hope

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Lyon is suffering because he has a long contract and is trying to build a squad rather than exclusively play for wins which is often not a popular path to take.

Playing a low-scoring, defensive game style wouldn't win you many fans either. It's not a lot of fun to watch when your team kicks 5 goals in a loss and still only kicks 10-12 goals in a win.

 

[Bonkers000]

Serious? Yep it's very serious. If you think it's ok to have the intent to hurt by driving the head and neck into the ground - then you are the joke.

Spinal injury and brain damage - that's what we are talking about.

I don't like players being made to brutally "earn it" when standing in the hole either. Putting your knee through someone's kidneys or into the back of their neck intentionally is showing no duty of care at all.

If you believe that is "part of footy" ... I would suggest you talk to some past players about the long term problems they have started to endure. I for one welcome the sport making changes to minimise these types of acts on the sporting arena. It's not a blood sport, and players should not have to put their long term health on the line for premiership points.

There is a difference between intending to hurt, and intending to injury. It’s just about knowing where the line is.

 

[headache1]

Playing a low-scoring, defensive game style wouldn't win you many fans either. It's not a lot of fun to watch when your team kicks 5 goals in a loss and still only kicks 10-12 goals in a win.

Being embroiled in a sexual harassment scandal won't win him many fans either.

 

[StonesThrow]

The thing is though, if he had bumped him there would be no question as to whether this is a suspension or not. If he had bumped, Amon would have sailed into the fence and god knows what would happen from there.

The AFL have been extremely harsh on those who elect to bump over tackling. Are you saying he should elect to bump, tackle, or let Among run off with the ball? Because from what you've written, you would rather him have bumped him clean in the back.

I don't know how you can't possibly see that he could have layed a simple tackle. He wanted to drive him into the ground. He didn't have to. I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this

 

[Pea Nut]

I don't know how you can't possibly see that he could have layed a simple tackle. He wanted to drive him into the ground. He didn't have to. I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this

How do you not see that the momentum Natanui had is a massive contributor ? Nic Nat explodes from his position to lay the tackle, he attempts to roll him in the tackle and did everything he could to lay a legal tackle. This decision is suspending Nic Nat simply because he is too big, strong and powerful. It's an awful decision.

 

[Pea Nut]

Anyone else currently think that the AFL has gone way too far in it's rulings, decision making and rule changes that now our game resembles U/12 football. You now have to hold your hand in the air if you want to be the ruckman, you can't tackle too hard or you will get suspended, and now we need teachers in the changerooms to make sure no one says anything hurtful to someone else because litigation. Seriously pathetic !!

 

[Godallblighty]

I'm not sure that Nic Nat's tackle is worth a suspension. It could have been worse but wasn't...so, lucky I guess. Unlucky to be sanctioned given what else you see go unpunished. But the idea that he was powerless to do anything else is a complete crock. And in any case, there is a duty of care. If you tackle recklessly and cause serious injury then, yeah, you're liable.

 

[Shaz2012]

Nic Nat case was damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. Just expect consistency from now on which we won’t get.

It was a fierce hard tackle, meant to hurt but it’s a long bow to draw that he meant to seriously injure. Amon contributed by not using his free arm(s?) to brace for contact. But even then the tackler has the duty of care and his tackle drove his opponents head into the ground. I don’t think it’s fair to punish him because he is bigger than Amon. That’s not fair. But still needs to take reasonable care not to cause head/neck injuries. A big guy needs to show more care probably just because of the basic physics involved. Like I said, damned either way but we just need consistency from now on.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Fans coach approval ratings up on AFL.com.au

Top is Simpson at West Coast at 100%, Clarkson at 99% and Pyke at 98% (followed by Hardwick at 96%)

Bottom is Richardson, Worsfold and no surprise Hinkley.

I also like the approval of Pyke v Hinkley over last 12 months...

Man Carlton fans are a forgiving lot.

 

[Shaz2012]

Man Carlton fans are a forgiving lot.

Good to see Brisbane fans are supportive. A lot to like despite 0-7.