List Mgmt. 2018 St Kilda Trade Thread Part 2

[gringo2011]

Anyone think our 1st pick next year would be enough to get Martin from GC?

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Yes, he's been a disappointment over his career. I would only pay a second rounder for him.

 

[triggering bro]

Yes, he's been a disappointment over his career. I would only pay a second rounder for him.

Bleach & a future 2nd

 

[crasha301]

Yes, he's been a disappointment over his career. I would only pay a second rounder for him.

I actually think he has done OK with the team around him.


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[VDS66]

Oh well, we got the wrong McCartin so we might as well get the wrong Martin...

 

[gringo2011]

Oh well, we got the wrong McCartin so we might as well get the wrong Martin...

He's alright just not what people expected of someone so talented. Bit of Jack Billings about him but not even as consistent.

 

[plugger66]

Oh well, we got the wrong McCartin so we might as well get the wrong Martin...

At least we got the right Darragh

 

[Mowman]

How does pick 4 for Mitch McGovern and pick 8 in return sound ?
Potentially adding Ian Hill via draft.
Trade Paddy to geelong for stale twisties.

Why would the crows do that ?

 

[STK2020]

Prob need to chuck in a future 2nd. I’m thinking a Carlisle/Gresh special

Or a player ?
Maybe a South Australian midfielder .

 

[Mikka84]

If a club doesn’t have TPP room to fit a FA offer they can’t force a trade.

Danger announced he planned to leave but didn’t officially enter free agency. In light of the Phil Walsh tragedy Geelong decided to trade instead of trying to get Dangerfield for free.

Adelaide didn’t ever have to match or force a trade. They got Pick 9 & 27 plus Dean Gore instead of just Pick 13.

Geelong’s goodwill allowed Danger to change teams without free agency ever being enacted.




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Understand - but they would have done it regardless. They would never accept the rubbish compo pick for one of the best players in the league.. Do you honestly think WC will let Gaff or Gov go for the compensation pick? Never in a million years. It will come down to a trade. List managers all have relationships and at the end of the day it gets worked out.

 

[mightymalaka]

Oh well, we got the wrong McCartin so we might as well get the wrong Martin...

Yeah we have a knack of doing that. Throw in the wrong Phillips, the wrong Weller, though in fairness not sure there's a right Weller!
We've also had the wrong Voss, Sidebottom and Ablett in the past!

 

[Mikka84]

Why would the crows do that ?

Why would Geelong do that?

 

[triggering bro]

Or a player ?
Maybe a South Australian midfielder .

You know I was gonna say that...

 

[crasha301]

He's alright just not what people expected of someone so talented. Bit of Jack Billings about him but not even as consistent.

I think martin, long and gresh would dominate as a trio up fwd. Fast agile tough smart.

If we added gaff and Martin our teams foot speed would change dramatically.



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[Joffaboy]

What are these Bolton rumours? Should have drafted him in the first place! Couldn't have said his value has improved from the second round, is that what he'd cost?

Wonder if Tigers are working out a deal for our first with Bolton for a Lynch trade.

Out: Pick 4 + 50 something.
In: Pick 18 + 2nd + Bolton.

I wouldn't do it.

What are the rumours though?

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From a good Richmond source. Wants game time, not necessarily back in WA.

Source said Tigers and Saints talking

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[bird_man]

Understand - but they would have done it regardless. They would never accept the rubbish compo pick for one of the best players in the league.. Do you honestly think WC will let Gaff or Gov go for the compensation pick? Never in a million years. It will come down to a trade. List managers all have relationships and at the end of the day it gets worked out.

Very different circumstances. Adelaide were already offering a similar contract to what was offered by the Cats.

If WC are offering Gaff 6x 800k and another club 6x 1m that’s a very big gap.

If you believe Liam Pickering he says there is no way in the world a club would get away with matching an offer just to force it to a trade. Players and managers know exactly what has been offered and by matching bids it totally defeats the purpose of free agency and would cause a shit storm for the AFL and the AFLPA.

 

[Mego Red]

What do you think he’s worth? About to hit 24 & averaging 13 disp & 1.6 goals a game. On output he looks like a late first-early second.

He's required player who is essential to our side and is contracted for the next two years.

He can absolutely win matches off his own boot and is one of the best contested marks in the league.

I presume he even the talk that's come up about him leaving it's from sides trying to make him part of the reason his brother changes teams. But that's not reason enough for us to trade him.

To answer your question - the only way we'd trade a contracted player is if we knew we were going to be able to get either Rankine or Lukosius to our club, and retain the assets we had.

 

[STK2020]

Why would the crows do that ?

Because Mitch McGovern wants out and maybe they like their chances grabbing a SA kid in the draft .
Possibility Lukosious, Rankine and Hately be gone by pick 8.

 

[bird_man]

What are these Bolton rumours? Should have drafted him in the first place! Couldn't have said his value has improved from the second round, is that what he'd cost?

Wonder if Tigers are working out a deal for our first with Bolton for a Lynch trade.

Out: Pick 4 + 50 something.
In: Pick 18 + 2nd + Bolton.

I wouldn't do it.

What are the rumours though?

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Not happy with Ben Long?

Has shown more than Bolton IMO.

I think he’s worth around a third round pick.

 

[triggering bro]

He's required player who is essential to our side and is contracted for the next two years.

He can absolutely win matches off his own boot and is one of the best contested marks in the league.

I presume he even the talk that's come up about him leaving it's from sides trying to make him part of the reason his brother changes teams. But that's not reason enough for us to trade him.

To answer your question - the only way we'd trade a contracted player is if we knew we were going to be able to get either Rankine or Lukosius to our club, and retain the assets we had.

If I’m thinking correctly you are saying McGovern would only be traded for a top 3 pick (to get Rankine or Lukosious)?

 

[triggering bro]

Not happy with Ben Long?

Has shown more than Bolton IMO.

I think he’s worth around a third round pick.

Bolton looks like shit tbh

 

[STK2020]

He's required player who is essential to our side and is contracted for the next two years.

He can absolutely win matches off his own boot and is one of the best contested marks in the league.

I presume he even the talk that's come up about him leaving it's from sides trying to make him part of the reason his brother changes teams. But that's not reason enough for us to trade him.

To answer your question - the only way we'd trade a contracted player is if we knew we were going to be able to get either Rankine or Lukosius to our club, and retain the assets we had.

I rate Mitch McGovern very highly .
One grab mark which we lack , good speed , tackles well inside fwd50 , above average kick for goal .
Pretty much everything we haven't got with Paddy .

 

[gringo2011]

Bolton looks like shit tbh

Shai? He hasn't been around long and his junior form was excellent. He's fast and outside with a take the game on style. Him and Rankine would make me pretty happy. We'd increase our foot speed quickly.

 

[triggering bro]

Shai? He hasn't been around long and his junior form was excellent. He's fast and outside with a take the game on style. Him and Rankine would make me pretty happy. We'd increase our foot speed quickly.

Too flakey & an unreliable show pony for mine. A poor man’s Terry Milera.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I was a ploy by Geelong to keep him on a lower wage. They never offered big money and negotiated with Adelaide to not get into a bidding war. He went for supposedly $200,000 than what he was offered elsewhere and was happy to take less and wait for a TPP increase which was factored into his contract.

My intel was that it was no ploy. Geel did the right thing by dealing the Crows a few picks instead of calling their bluff.


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[mightymalaka]

Bolton looks like shit tbh

You talking about Michael Bolton or the jockey impersonating a coach?
If so i agree bro!
Shai Bolton can seriousy play and if he wants out and doesnt cost us too much, i'd take him in a heartbeat.