2018- What Went Wrong

[tribey]

Sorry to interject here, but what has happened to Wingard? A few years ago I thought he was just about the best up and coming player in the AFL. He is like a barometer in your team. He stars and you win. He has seemingly gone backwards. Is he injured, not used properly or just has lost interest? He is a gun you cannot afford to be playing just average footy.

Do you guys know what's happened? As a neutral I am a huge fan and so very disappointed in his year.

Has a lot of concussions under his belt and suffered some soft tissue issues after 2015.

He's also not a footy guy and would be enjoying this past 4 years as much as us.

 

[Capital Power]

Geee... I would have preferred a thread on what went right. The list of wrongs knows no end!

Feel free to start one. Happy to contribute

 

[Ports1870]

Plug and play the next option, then next and then next.

Dont change systems because of loss of player.

2015 we sucked because we gave up on 2014 game plan rather than just get better at it!

Now what game plan do we have?

That is the thing. We were a kick away from a grand final in 2014 with that exciting, attacking game plan. But instead of trying to improve that game plan to get to the next step, we decided to write up a completely new game plan. Just why?

 

[raglan road]

The gameplan sucks. We rely on all out team defence with lots of numbers back. We've lost the ability to attack and when we try to our defenders aren't able to defend without the numbers back so go to water. Bassett's been given too much credit for our defence when really it's just mass of numbers without the corresponding slingshot attack.

We've also extinguished every bit of attacking flair from of our players except maybe Robbie. We're obsessed with players playing their role so none of them actually take the game on.

It's a joyless, fearful game we play that takes too much out of our players physically and mentally. We've held on to this shit gameplan even when it was obvious it wasn't going to succeed. The supporters hate it, the players haven't bought into it or aren't able to sustain it and it relies on a regimen that is so conservative that when it's not working no-one has any idea how to turn it around.

But I'm only an amateur observer of the game and don't really know what I'm talking about so I rely on the leaders of our club to have some answers and they seem to be completely bereft of any.

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

what went wrong version 4.

Looking forward to V 5 next year. It doesn't matter if we are too defensive or too attacking - we have players who cannot do the simple things. Poor skills, mentally shot, tactically poor, non-accountable. All things you can expect again in 2019/2020.

We're going to be ****ed for a LONG time people.

 

[tribey]

what went wrong version 4.

Looking forward to V 5 next year. It doesn't matter if we are too defensive or too attacking - we have players who cannot do the simple things. Poor skills, mentally shot, tactically poor, non-accountable. All things you can expect again in 2019/2020.

We're going to be ****** for a LONG time people.

Can you imagine being a player facing another summer of running 400kms a week and then being exposed to tactical drills and film study that requires you to be defensive, on and off the ball, at all times?

That shit would make me feel sorry for Bryce Gibbs.

 

[Power Raid]

wrong use of ryder
failure to use frampton
wrong use of dixon and attempted wrong use of howard in the ruck

too many players can't kick straight - boak, sgray, wines, SPP, ebert, johnson

no small crumbing player reading the ball at the feet of our KPFs

too many players play for outcomes rather than creating outcomes - watts, motlop

a coach who doesn't have the ability to develop players or generate a winning game plan

 

[raptalia]

Can you imagine being a player facing another summer of running 400kms a week and then being exposed to tactical drills and film study that requires you to be defensive, on and off the ball, at all times?

That shit would make me feel sorry for Bryce Gibbs.

What about doing all that and the Coach won't give you a go in the A Grade?

 

[Port01]

It is hard to write anything that went right, so a lot went wrong.

Our players don't look fit.
Nobody bar Dixon has any strength.
Our game plan is horrible.
Our coaches seem completely oblivious to it.
We still pick the players we like then formulate more tactics around it.
Continually try to outcoach rather than outplay, and it never works.
Rushing back unfit players because gameplan is completely reliant on individuals.
Go from playing too many inside players, to too many outside players, back to inside players etc.
Go from tall forward line to short forward line to tall, likewise backline.
Use Westhoff in 7 different positions.
Use Dixon in 5.
Give games to Amon/Neade/Johnson on the back of zero SANFL form.
Bring in favorites (pittard) even if they are playing horribly.
Bring back players dropped for shit form (Bonner) without them displaying good form.
Stick with the 'good guys' ie S Gray, Ebert etc despite the fact they are playing horrible football.
Have the SANFL team playing some ludicrous gameplan that almost prevents them from scoring for vast periods despite dominating possession.
Have the same midfield problems where they go completely missing that we have had for 4 years.
Don't recruit a backup ruckman.
Claim that a backup ruckman isn't ready after 3.5 years on the list, and that it is his fault.
Can't work out if Wingard is a forward or a midfielder, likewise R Gray.

We just don't play football.

 

[agmsy]

2015 we sucked because we gave up on 2014 game plan rather than just get better at it!

Couldn't disagree more.

Port's biggest problem is one that pre-dates Hinkley, Thomas, Davies, Burgess, and Koch. Our list isn't very good at kicking and handballing, and it hasn't been for a long time. We have some supremely skillful players, like Gray and Wingard, but the list overall is poor.

Generally, you fix a team that lacks skill through the draft, trade, and free agency. You get better ball users into the club, and move the poor ones on.

Sometimes, you can fix it by drilling skills at training, but, often, unskilled (or underskilled) players are a turd you can't polish.

We inadvertently, and temporarily, fixed the problem when we signed Burgess. We got the jump on the rest of the league when he got us super fit.

Super fitness meant we could outwork opponents - an unskilled player who couldn't hit a target in 2m of space now had targets in 5, 10, sometimes 15m of space instead. We also fatigued less than opponents, meaning our skills deteriorated less over the course of a game.

This paired remarkably well with the run-and-gun brand of football we were playing, but, when the rest of the league started to catch up to us, the space dried up, and our relative ability to run out games was diminished.

We are fixing this - we've brought in and blooded some better ball users - and we have other problems (ruck depth, KPF depth, forwardine structure, set up at stoppage, ...), but the 2014 gameplan would not have won us a flag after 2014, because it relied on a fitness advantage that evaporated over the 2014/2015 offseason.

 

[Port01]

Super fitness meant we could outwork opponents - an unskilled player who couldn't hit a target in 2m of space now had targets in 5, 10, sometimes 15m of space instead. We also fatigued less than opponents, meaning our skills deteriorated less over the course of a game.

this is pretty much what Collingwood has done. This year.
Richmond on the other hand just throw the ball away to where they have numbers.
Very few clubs are supremely skilled. We just play a gameplan where it is almost impossible to have a friendly upfield to kick to.

 

[Black 18]

When you have senior footballing people within the Club say the following it's crystal clear just how bad things are.

The following is being reported by Rucci. KT said this at the luncheon yesterday before the game:

“WE are on the precipice of being a fantastic team.” Keith Thomas 18/8/18

PMSL - so, so much.

Ahhhh Keith. Care to back that statement up with any statistic at all? Anything? Anything that even remotely points to us being about to become such a team?

Go home. You're not only drunk but sound like a meth head that's been involved in numerous serious traumatic head injury accidents.

Good Lord, this Club.

 

[Pafcsince86]

To many times we needed some change and he brings in Amon, Neade, Johnson, Farrell, Thomas, S Grayetc when we needed to give Frampton even Leinert a run earlier in the season. Any input from frampton in the middle yesterday or any of the games Ryder didn't play would of been more of a benefit to the team than what ever the bunch listed added to the any of those games

 

[Forzaport]

KT is right. We're on the precipice.

 

[raptalia]

When you have senior footballing people within the Club say the following it's crystal clear just how bad things are.

The following is being reported by Rucci. KT said this at the luncheon yesterday before the game:

“WE are on the precipice of being a fantastic team.” Keith Thomas 18/8/18

PMSL - so, so much.

Ahhhh Keith. Care to back that statement up with any statistic at all? Anything? Anything that even remotely points to us being about to become such a team?

Go home. You're not only drunk but sound like a meth head that's been involved in numerous serious traumatic head injury accidents.

Good Lord, this Club.

If KT said that he has employed a poor choice of words. Being on a precipice usually means you are on the edge of a huge drop as a few posters have picked up on.
I think he is right, we are on a precipice but it has nothing to do with morphing into a fantastic team.

 

[FishingRick04]

KT is right. We're on the precipice.

Of what?

 

[Forzaport]

Of what?

Nothing good.

 

[Magus]

We've really lacked in the goal scoring department this year. Robbie currently sits at 35 for the year. In the context of things:

1997 Scott Cummings 70
1998 Warren Tredrea 33
1999 Warren Tredrea (2) 40
2000 Warren Tredrea (3) 32
2001 Warren Tredrea (4) 51
2002 Stuart Dew 51
2003 Warren Tredrea (5) 58
2004 Warren Tredrea (6) 81
2005 Warren Tredrea (7) 65
2006 Josh Mahoney 29
2007 Brett Ebert 56
2008 Daniel Motlop 57
2009 Warren Tredrea (8) 51
2010 Jay Schulz 33
2011 Robbie Gray 32
2012 Jay Schulz (2) 42
2013 Jay Schulz (3) 49
2014 Jay Schulz (4) 66
2015 Chad Wingard 53
2016 Chad Wingard (2) 38
2017 Charlie Dixon 49

It was never going to be a great year.

 

[JUSTWORK]

KT is right. We're on the precipice.

And thats where we will stay whilst he wave Ken Hinkley

 

[Cam1870]

Nothing went wrong. Everything is OK. Be in early Friday night for that thing we do with the scarves.

 

[El Zorro]

Nothing went wrong. Everything is OK. Be in early Friday night for that thing we do with the scarves.

For the first time I am planning to remain seated with my arms folded during NTUA. They can go get staffed.

 

[Portmagpies36]

Think our list is overrated, after we recruited Motlop Watts Rockliff suddenly we a premiership contender, another false dawn.

 

[edgie]

We've really lacked in the goal scoring department this year. Robbie currently sits at 35 for the year. In the context of things:

1997 Scott Cummings 70
1998 Warren Tredrea 33
1999 Warren Tredrea (2) 40
2000 Warren Tredrea (3) 32
2001 Warren Tredrea (4) 51
2002 Stuart Dew 51
2003 Warren Tredrea (5) 58
2004 Warren Tredrea (6) 81
2005 Warren Tredrea (7) 65
2006 Josh Mahoney 29
2007 Brett Ebert 56
2008 Daniel Motlop 57
2009 Warren Tredrea (8) 51
2010 Jay Schulz 33
2011 Robbie Gray 32
2012 Jay Schulz (2) 42
2013 Jay Schulz (3) 49
2014 Jay Schulz (4) 66
2015 Chad Wingard 53
2016 Chad Wingard (2) 38
2017 Charlie Dixon 49

It was never going to be a great year.

A spread of goal kickers is a myth of modern footy. If you don't have one guy putting through 50+ chances are you won't be getting close to the grand final.

Sent from mTalk

 

[StrappingTape]

We didn't try hard enough

 

[Chachi]

What went wrong?

1) Our attacking mindset wasn't there consistently. We started the year with it but slowly focused more on 'team defence' as the season progressed. Ken encouraged the players to back themselves in 2013/14. I haven't heard this being mentioned from Ken since then.

2) Ken refused to play Frampton, so instead moved everyone else around thereby ruining a structure that was functioning well to make a bad system work. The worst thing that happened was beating Sydney in rd2 which satisfied Ken he was right. "Ken you were wrong".

3) Our coaching assistants, as a team, are not up to scratch.