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2018- What Went Wrong
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We are a very good defensive side which is good because we completely and totally sacrificed the ability to score in order to defend well.
The result of that is that we never apply scoreboard pressure. We never put teams away. We keep every opponent in the game so every opponent keeps coming at us.
EVERY other issue with our team stems from this fundamental strategy flaw.
Forwards in average form, midfield group underperforming. Even selection issues because the first consideration for any selection is whether players fit into the defensive structure. Frampton was perfectly ready to play Ruck/Fwd. He wasn't considered ready to be an adequate cog in the defensive machine. We'd happily totally shatter our attacking structure for weeks on end instead of having an even slightly subpar defender playing Ruck/Fwd.
Wider than just this season, under this regime we have made losing a habit, especially in big games. We lose when favourites more than any other team in the league and it's not even close.
The result of that is that we never apply scoreboard pressure. We never put teams away. We keep every opponent in the game so every opponent keeps coming at us.
EVERY other issue with our team stems from this fundamental strategy flaw.
Forwards in average form, midfield group underperforming. Even selection issues because the first consideration for any selection is whether players fit into the defensive structure. Frampton was perfectly ready to play Ruck/Fwd. He wasn't considered ready to be an adequate cog in the defensive machine. We'd happily totally shatter our attacking structure for weeks on end instead of having an even slightly subpar defender playing Ruck/Fwd.
Wider than just this season, under this regime we have made losing a habit, especially in big games. We lose when favourites more than any other team in the league and it's not even close.
- Apr 10, 2014
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Maybe, just maybe missing finals will be a blessing in disguise and gives the club the stern reality check it clearly needs.
I know we f*****d up by extending Hinkley but I hope the media absolutely rip us to shreds over the next 12 months and put the blowtorch on Hinkley. Put the pressure on KT and Kochie too.
I know we f*****d up by extending Hinkley but I hope the media absolutely rip us to shreds over the next 12 months and put the blowtorch on Hinkley. Put the pressure on KT and Kochie too.
- Apr 10, 2014
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No matter how well we start a season, I'm going to be saying "Remember 2018?" for the rest of my life.
Thanks a lot Ports.
Thanks a lot Ports.
I think 9th is generous. Had the crows not been savaged by injury they’d have won more than us. I think north and essendon will go past us next year. So will Brisbane.
I could be wrong but of our double ups only one finished in the 8 (west coast and we lost both).
We had a good draw and as said before at 11-4 make no mistake this is a capitulation of huge proportions. It is an embarrassment.
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I could be wrong but of our double ups only one finished in the 8 (west coast and we lost both).
We had a good draw and as said before at 11-4 make no mistake this is a capitulation of huge proportions. It is an embarrassment.
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- Aug 22, 2009
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Trigger could be pulled after next season. Death ride ourselves farken.
Pressure him into resigning is the only realistic option. Do a deal - pay him out a year or something. I don’t think we can afford not to.
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2 year non final clause perhaps?
Based on the last 4 years, lack of juniors developed and experienced players floundering, the death ride won’t be hard. 2019 is gonna be a tough sell unless Schofield is the next Messiah
Surely Hinkley doesn't escape what happened this year. Pathetic in last years finals then rubber stamps the recruitment. One finals series in 4 years and 3 final series in 11 seasons and we had KT front and centre telling supporters Ken the man what a joke. Who in their right mind in a business environment would extend a coach that's already contacted ? Ken been given the ultimate insurance policy and the club sits back and puts out woeful PR spin. And take this in to perspective port has had a pretty easy draw, hardly any injuries, brought in new players & they still missed the 8.
And they resigned Voss bahahah.
And people telling me the club understands what's needed!
I warned people for some time and was told your not a supporter well now reality is sinking in to many supporters/members that Hinkley and is woeful coaching panel are not up to standard Voss Lade.
One thing i always think about is w
hy can clubs like Geelong Hawks Swans win Premierships rebuild and still regularly play finals?
And they resigned Voss bahahah.
And people telling me the club understands what's needed!
I warned people for some time and was told your not a supporter well now reality is sinking in to many supporters/members that Hinkley and is woeful coaching panel are not up to standard Voss Lade.
One thing i always think about is w
hy can clubs like Geelong Hawks Swans win Premierships rebuild and still regularly play finals?
- Apr 10, 2014
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The writing was on the wall as early as Round 3 when we were outplayed by Brisbane at home. It was there when we went scoreless for a quarter against Carlton and the Fremantle debacle served as the beginning of the end.
There’s been few good wins such as Sydney at the SCG, North at Etihad, first Showdown, Richmond and Melbourne but they were all for nothing.
2018 will never be forgotten or forgiven.
There’s been few good wins such as Sydney at the SCG, North at Etihad, first Showdown, Richmond and Melbourne but they were all for nothing.
2018 will never be forgotten or forgiven.
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That was tribeyOC, hence all the yuks and PM's begging me to sew people's sides back together etc
- Jan 30, 2013
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Another one off the top of my head.
Robbie Gray: Permanent forward - categoric disaster.
Robbie Gray: Permanent forward - categoric disaster.
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Apparently he's been carrying something that prevents him being a full time (or close to) midfielder?
But gee whiz, he's Brownlow calibre when he goes in there.
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Bloody hope they do. Hope it's a ****ing shit show!
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He’s a genuine match winner forward but 35 goals says he doesn’t do it often. Stats lie because we’re horrible at scoring but to be in the same group as Ziebell, Stephenson, Hoskin-Elliott, Cripps.....
If you need any evidence of the strangulation of this playing groups style and flair, Robbie Gray is pretty much it.
- May 8, 2014
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Where to begin?
* Todd Marshall, before the tragic death of his father, so soon after losing his mother, he was in amazing form, contender for Rising Star, since his return his form wasn't the same and then his season-ending injury in the SANFL.
* Sam Powell-Pepper, until he decided to sexually harass a woman in a nightclub, he was in good form. This is something the club should've dealt with, instead the AFL weighed in, he was never criminally charged with anything. His form was never the same after his return.
* Hamish Hartlett in career best form and then injuring his ACL at training.
* Paddy Ryder getting injured three times, especially after his All Australian and B&F season last year, him playing injured yesterday despite Billy Frampton waiting in the wings didn't help and shows how shallow our ruck depth currently is.
* Other players having season ending injuries, we're not talking Crows level soft tissue injuries all year, season ending injuries to Matthew Broadbent, Sam Hayes, Joel Garner, Willem Drew, Charlie Dixon, the list goes on
* Even when we were winning, as great as some of our wins this year have been, some of them were complete shit shows, the games against Brisbane at AO, Gold Coast in China, Carlton at the MCG and St. Kilda at Adelaide Oval were just awful to watch. Stark contrast to last year when all we could do was beat the shit out of bottom sides.
I'm not on the sack Hinkley bandwagon, because I don't know who should replace him that wouldn't put us into a worse position. I think he needs better support staff, we haven't been the same team since losing Alan Richardson and Phil Walsh, and now Brett Ratten is looking for a new job, I think he'd be great for us as a senior assistant. Martin Mattner would be a great addition too.
* Todd Marshall, before the tragic death of his father, so soon after losing his mother, he was in amazing form, contender for Rising Star, since his return his form wasn't the same and then his season-ending injury in the SANFL.
* Sam Powell-Pepper, until he decided to sexually harass a woman in a nightclub, he was in good form. This is something the club should've dealt with, instead the AFL weighed in, he was never criminally charged with anything. His form was never the same after his return.
* Hamish Hartlett in career best form and then injuring his ACL at training.
* Paddy Ryder getting injured three times, especially after his All Australian and B&F season last year, him playing injured yesterday despite Billy Frampton waiting in the wings didn't help and shows how shallow our ruck depth currently is.
* Other players having season ending injuries, we're not talking Crows level soft tissue injuries all year, season ending injuries to Matthew Broadbent, Sam Hayes, Joel Garner, Willem Drew, Charlie Dixon, the list goes on
* Even when we were winning, as great as some of our wins this year have been, some of them were complete shit shows, the games against Brisbane at AO, Gold Coast in China, Carlton at the MCG and St. Kilda at Adelaide Oval were just awful to watch. Stark contrast to last year when all we could do was beat the shit out of bottom sides.
I'm not on the sack Hinkley bandwagon, because I don't know who should replace him that wouldn't put us into a worse position. I think he needs better support staff, we haven't been the same team since losing Alan Richardson and Phil Walsh, and now Brett Ratten is looking for a new job, I think he'd be great for us as a senior assistant. Martin Mattner would be a great addition too.
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Where to really begin with what went wrong. I guess you need to look at what went right last year. We were able to score quickly, move the ball quickly, defend strongly against poor teams but it all fell apart against good teams. I think we were all expecting some light tinkering of how we played last year but what we saw was a pretty heavy handed change to our game style and it didn't work.
Defensively we were very impressive last year. The stats will show that we (bar Essendon kicking a huge score on Friday) will end this season with our best defensive season at AFL level. I guess thats a positive, I think.
Where it all went wrong was with our ball movement. Those who went to the members convention will know that how we played throughout the year was exactly how it was described at the convention. If we can't get through the corridor quickly then slow ball movement concentrating on maintaining possession. Minimal risk.
Unfortunately this failed for a number of reasons. We still don't have the skill to maintain possession of the ball coming out of D50. This is a huge problem. Houston can't do it all himself. Missing Hartlett and Broadbent for the year hurt in this regard as well. This also failed because we just weren't able to move the ball quickly enough. This allowed the opposition to set up defensively against us too many times leading to this boring brand of football that we forced ourselves to play.
Those at the convention would also know that soccer was brought up numerous times, especially in terms of defensive set ups. I feel we've tried to push this too far when it doesn't work. We've ried to play Mourinho style football - get an early lead, defend and shut down the game. Fine in a low scoring game like soccer, but it doesn't really work in a game like Aussie Rules. You need to be able to turn it on when you need to and it's something we have had trouble with all year. We've averaged 3 goals less per game this year which is a significant amount.
The best teams play with flair, take risks and are skillful. We are none of those. We actively coach flair and risk taking out of the team.
As I mentioned earlier, I feel we werent able to play our ultimate KPP lineup for almost the entire season. This was disappointing.
The most disappointing aspect though was the way that we were so easily shut down throughout the year. When teams like Carlton and Freo are keeping you goalless/scoreless then you really need to question what the hell is going on.
I still think we are close. I still think with some correct coaching, with a shift in focus, we can become a bonafide premiership threat next year. Whether we can do this under the current regime, i'm not sure.
Defensively we were very impressive last year. The stats will show that we (bar Essendon kicking a huge score on Friday) will end this season with our best defensive season at AFL level. I guess thats a positive, I think.
Where it all went wrong was with our ball movement. Those who went to the members convention will know that how we played throughout the year was exactly how it was described at the convention. If we can't get through the corridor quickly then slow ball movement concentrating on maintaining possession. Minimal risk.
Unfortunately this failed for a number of reasons. We still don't have the skill to maintain possession of the ball coming out of D50. This is a huge problem. Houston can't do it all himself. Missing Hartlett and Broadbent for the year hurt in this regard as well. This also failed because we just weren't able to move the ball quickly enough. This allowed the opposition to set up defensively against us too many times leading to this boring brand of football that we forced ourselves to play.
Those at the convention would also know that soccer was brought up numerous times, especially in terms of defensive set ups. I feel we've tried to push this too far when it doesn't work. We've ried to play Mourinho style football - get an early lead, defend and shut down the game. Fine in a low scoring game like soccer, but it doesn't really work in a game like Aussie Rules. You need to be able to turn it on when you need to and it's something we have had trouble with all year. We've averaged 3 goals less per game this year which is a significant amount.
The best teams play with flair, take risks and are skillful. We are none of those. We actively coach flair and risk taking out of the team.
As I mentioned earlier, I feel we werent able to play our ultimate KPP lineup for almost the entire season. This was disappointing.
The most disappointing aspect though was the way that we were so easily shut down throughout the year. When teams like Carlton and Freo are keeping you goalless/scoreless then you really need to question what the hell is going on.
I still think we are close. I still think with some correct coaching, with a shift in focus, we can become a bonafide premiership threat next year. Whether we can do this under the current regime, i'm not sure.
