List Mgmt. 2019/20 Trade/Delist/Re-sign Predictions/Opinion (now with TRADE RADIO)

[Bicks]

I'll let them off as they were not playing footy the whole time but fair call

Just in case you weren't aware I think you'll find Pat Wilson has twice had a year out of footy along the way.
The first 2013 when he failed to get drafted after a stellar junior year for Sturt in 2012 the other in 2015 when I believe he became disillusioned with the whole football system and then on resuming in 2016 copped a nasty injury that put him out for the last half of the season.

A stellar 2017 SANFL season for Sturt saw him rookied by Adelaide and then win the 2018 SANFL Crows B & F.

Perhaps some Sturt followers can verify it but that's what I've heard.

 

[70lethal]

With Keath, O'Brien, Himmelberg looking good
Retire McKay, Douglas, Sauce, Otten and trade Jenkins if anyone would have him.

Frees up some cash and changes the age profile significantly.

Fogarty, McHenry, Scholl, Hamill, Stengle, McAdam, Wilson, Davis looking for a game and Doodee to come back.
3 picks in 1st 2 rounds 2019, that's 12 guys with some serious ability looking for a game.

keeping cheap as chips guys like Wilson 188cm 89kg midfielder whose banging on the door and keeping other players honest is priceless.

 

[latinoheat]

With Keath, O'Brien, Himmelberg looking good
Retire McKay, Douglas, Sauce, Otten and trade Jenkins if anyone would have him.

Frees up some cash and changes the age profile significantly.

Fogarty, McHenry, Scholl, Hamill, Stengle, McAdam, Wilson, Davis looking for a game and Doodee to come back.
3 picks in 1st 2 rounds 2019, that's 12 guys with some serious ability looking for a game.

keeping cheap as chips guys like Wilson 188cm 89kg midfielder whose banging on the door and keeping other players honest is priceless.

I wouldn’t be against some of the older guys staying on the list as SANFL mentors ie otten .

But agree, need to change our age profile and play / keep some youngsters in our AFL side like Gooch over Douglas , Jones over McKay .

 

[Murray2503]

Nothing stopping a player they would pick with pick 1 leaving..just that if a player decides they are out you won't get a better pick in compensation than pick 1..especially if a player will be out of contract 1 year later

How come every other club in the league don't have problems with high end picks leaving? Even Brisbane are generally extending the contracts of high end picks in their first year. I don't know why we struggle so much with it. Must be due to the environment we are creating and the fact that match committee often don't play high end talent in their first year. If you take high end talent you must play them. Not rocket science. We just seem to arrogantly thumb our nose at high end players and say "We will play you when we are good and ready." We also have a knack of going after the slightly framed high end talent knowing full well they need 2 years in the gym and this is used as justification to not play them. We also overrate our club and almost dare them to leave. High end talent know they are likely better than 30 to 40% of the team. If you don't play them they are gone. Why even take a high end pick if you don't have intentions of playing them to get instantly better? Goes to the clubs whole mentality and lack of trust we have in younger players and the fact that we overrate our team. Seems to me but once your in the circle you get contracts which aren't recompensurate with performance. We arrogantly sit back and put poor results down to a particular reason or reasons and use this as justification to back in the same players who achieved those poor results. At our club if you have managed to play 30 to 40 average games you are signed up on a 3 to 4 year deal and automatically penciled in as best 22 regardless of form. We overpay average players and cant get rid of contracted or uncontracted players once they have peaked and are on a downward trajectory unlike other clubs. We call them good clubmen and back em in to turn around 2 years of bad form. No wonder we never win a flag. I guess when you have a chairman who has no real understanding of how a successful club operates and really doesnt care if the club achieves ultimate success as his position to be removed is not dependant on it, this is what you get.

 

[craig crowing]

You have find delistings so they are going to make decisions we don't agree on.
If you anyone thinks they are going delist all of Mackay ,Otten, Douglas and Jacobs are kidding themselves.
Otten and Douglas are the only 2 of that list that might go. Jacobs and Mackay no chance of being forced out or Eddie by management.
With so many on contracts next 1-3 years and cutting rookies doesn't get you draft picks there will be young players have to make decision on.

 

[Crow till I die]

How come every other club in the league don't have problems with high end picks leaving? Even Brisbane are generally extending the contracts of high end picks in their first year. I don't know why we struggle so much with it. Must be due to the environment we are creating and the fact that match committee often don't play high end talent in their first year. If you take high end talent you must play them. Not rocket science. We just seem to arrogantly thumb our nose at high end players and say "We will play you when we are good and ready." We also have a knack of going after the slightly framed high end talent knowing full well they need 2 years in the gym and this is used as justification to not play them. We also overrate our club and almost dare them to leave. High end talent know they are likely better than 30 to 40% of the team. If you don't play them they are gone. Why even take a high end pick if you don't have intentions of playing them to get instantly better? Goes to the clubs whole mentality and lack of trust we have in younger players and the fact that we overrate our team. Seems to me but once your in the circle you get contracts which aren't recompensurate with performance. We arrogantly sit back and put poor results down to a particular reason or reasons and use this as justification to back in the same players who achieved those poor results. At our club if you have managed to play 30 to 40 average games you are signed up on a 3 to 4 year deal and automatically penciled in as best 22 regardless of form. We overpay average players and cant get rid of contracted or uncontracted players once they have peaked and are on a downward trajectory unlike other clubs. We call them good clubmen and back em in to turn around 2 years of bad form. No wonder we never win a flag. I guess when you have a chairman who has no real understanding of how a successful club operates and really doesnt care if the club achieves ultimate success as his position to be removed is not dependant on it, this is what you get.

Some fair comments there. I suppose if you look at port over the years they have had plenty of high end picks that have also had to bide their time in the seconds..butcher, pittard, marshall, young etc..but their players have not demanded out to anywhere near the same level ours have

 

[marty36]

How come every other club in the league don't have problems with high end picks leaving? Even Brisbane are generally extending the contracts of high end picks in their first year. I don't know why we struggle so much with it. Must be due to the environment we are creating and the fact that match committee often don't play high end talent in their first year. If you take high end talent you must play them. Not rocket science. We just seem to arrogantly thumb our nose at high end players and say "We will play you when we are good and ready." We also have a knack of going after the slightly framed high end talent knowing full well they need 2 years in the gym and this is used as justification to not play them. We also overrate our club and almost dare them to leave. High end talent know they are likely better than 30 to 40% of the team. If you don't play them they are gone. Why even take a high end pick if you don't have intentions of playing them to get instantly better? Goes to the clubs whole mentality and lack of trust we have in younger players and the fact that we overrate our team. Seems to me but once your in the circle you get contracts which aren't recompensurate with performance. We arrogantly sit back and put poor results down to a particular reason or reasons and use this as justification to back in the same players who achieved those poor results. At our club if you have managed to play 30 to 40 average games you are signed up on a 3 to 4 year deal and automatically penciled in as best 22 regardless of form. We overpay average players and cant get rid of contracted or uncontracted players once they have peaked and are on a downward trajectory unlike other clubs. We call them good clubmen and back em in to turn around 2 years of bad form. No wonder we never win a flag. I guess when you have a chairman who has no real understanding of how a successful club operates and really doesnt care if the club achieves ultimate success as his position to be removed is not dependant on it, this is what you get.

You mention Brisbane and talk of successful clubs

Lets be honest here

West Coast, Hawthorn ,Geelong

You would rate as your successful clubs in the AFL, I would say we are similar to West Coast in a lot of ways but lack something, whether its the fact they aren't afraid to bottom out or trade guns like Judd Im not sure, I reckon its the bottoming out that we aren't prepared to do

 

[spenze]

RETIRE
Eddie Betts
Sam Jacobs
Andy Otten
Richie Douglas
David Mackay

DELIST

TRADE
Jake Kelly
Josh Jenkins - traded to Melbourne for 2nd round pick

There's $2.5m in salary in that list. I'd be looking for some players we could bring in to spend it. Pick 1 for Lukosius and the Brisbane pick?

Interesting on Lukosius, have seen value on first year players drop a fair bit, particularly if they want out, really hard to judge. Jenkins though, if we got a mid 20s pick for him I'd be stoked, he'd fit in well at Melbourne too, they're all playing for themselves at the moment.

 

[GreyCrow]

You have find delistings so they are going to make decisions we don't agree on.
If you anyone thinks they are going delist all of Mackay ,Otten, Douglas and Jacobs are kidding themselves.
Otten and Douglas are the only 2 of that list that might go. Jacobs and Mackay no chance of being forced out or Eddie by management.
With so many on contracts next 1-3 years and cutting rookies doesn't get you draft picks there will be young players have to make decision on.

I dont agree

 

[GreyCrow]

Jacobs and Douglas are more likely.

Otten likely. I agree Mackay will be given another 1 year contract.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

That's fine in the sanfl but he's shown he's not good enough in the afl. And yes if you haven't made it by 24 you are too old sorry
Give a younger kid a go who might be better

Tim Kelly from Geelong goes ok for getting a go at 24

 

[hippyhippy]

I would assume it'd have some sort of coaching/development deal on the backend of it to convince him to move.

He should take it... he won't get much here... it would be a good stepping stone for post afl career if that's what he's after.

 

[Mego Red]

You mention Brisbane and talk of successful clubs

Lets be honest here

West Coast, Hawthorn ,Geelong

You would rate as your successful clubs in the AFL, I would say we are similar to West Coast in a lot of ways but lack something, whether its the fact they aren't afraid to bottom out or trade guns like Judd Im not sure, I reckon its the bottoming out that we aren't prepared to do

They don't really bottom out. They've just been shit some years.

 

[marty36]

They don't really bottom out. They've just been **** some years.

Call it what you like finishing 13th downwards suggests something

then they rebuild, maybe they have had a better recruitment manager , who knows, but they are clearly more successful than ourselves

 

[Jarman3]

You mention Brisbane and talk of successful clubs

Lets be honest here

West Coast, Hawthorn ,Geelong

You would rate as your successful clubs in the AFL, I would say we are similar to West Coast in a lot of ways but lack something, whether its the fact they aren't afraid to bottom out or trade guns like Judd Im not sure, I reckon its the bottoming out that we aren't prepared to do

"Not afraid" to trade out guns like Judd? They didn't have a choice - they wanted to keep him, but he asked for a trade so they just had to work the best deal they could. So yeah, in that sense we're very similar to them, except I'd argue we're much better at it because we've traded out a lot more players that we wanted to keep

 

[Jarman3]

Does anybody know if there are any negotiations underway with Greenwood? Or are the club and/or his management even trying to get them started? He and Keath would be at the top of the list of players out of contract that we need to re-sign. Along with O'Brien.

I'd be keeping Jacobs, but on the understanding that it's basically a one year Thommo contract ie you'll be on minimum dollars and your main role will be providing leadership / mentoring in the SANFL side and as insurance in case ROB goes down.

I'd keep one of Douglas and Mackay, but not both. Personally I'd probably prefer to keep Douglas as I think he's given more over the journey. But obviously injury this year and Mackay having a decent game or two might tip the balance in Mackay's favour.

I also think CEY has given enough so far this year to be worth retaining (at this point, I'd be waiting to see how the rest of the year panned out before making a final decision). But he's a FA and the ball is probably in his court - I'm sure he would be of interest to at least a few other clubs given that he wouldn't cost anything as a FA, and his salary is unlikely to be huge. Although according to this, he's a restricted free agent? https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players Surely that can't be right - he wouldn't be in the top 25% of salaries at the club? If he is then Lever was right to demand $900k a year.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

They don't really bottom out. They've just been **** some years.

Do we need to really bottom out. We traded 2 1st rounders out for a 29 yo 2 tears ago. We gave up a 2nd rounder for Hampton and we done some strange deals last trade. When we get kids in we have to play them instead of just playing the older failed players.

 

[Mego Red]

Do we need to really bottom out. We traded 2 1st rounders out for a 29 yo 2 tears ago. We gave up a 2nd rounder for Hampton and we done some strange deals last trade. When we get kids in we have to play them instead of just playing the older failed players.

We traded one first rounder and downgraded some picks to get Gibbs.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

We traded one first rounder and downgraded some picks to get Gibbs.

Not my point but the reversing of picks minor

 

[Mego Red]

Not my point but the reversing of picks minor

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I think we agree?

Gibbs for ten.
77 for 73.
A late first for their early second.
Our second for their third.

Their early 2018 second ended up becoming Will Hamill and their 2019 second - which isn't this trade but showed how awesome that early second round could be.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I think we agree?

Gibbs for ten.
77 for 73.
A late first for their early second.
Our second for their third.

Their early 2018 second ended up becoming Will Hamill and their 2019 second - which isn't this trade but showed how awesome that early second round could be.

I only see 10 and 16. The rest is sugar coating.

 

[Mego Red]

I only see 10 and 16. The rest is sugar coating.

That's seems ignorant.

You think there's a massive difference between 16 and 19?

 

[Mileratkinsshow]

Trade:
Poholke, Kelly, Lynch, Hartigan, Jenkins, Knight, Cey

Retire:
Jacob's, Douglas, Otten, Betts (Feel 2019 might be his last year. Possibly an early retirement.) Mackay(had him on here but playing better as usual final year of contract. Club might give him an extra year,)

Delist:
McPherson

My guess is that the delist McPherson camp will end up with serious egg on their faces. Must persist with him for 2 more seasons. He is a talent.


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[Eagleboy2011]

That's seems ignorant.

You think there's a massive difference between 16 and 19?

Wasn't it pick 24. 19 was Melbourne's part trade for Lever which we part traded to Carlton for their 2019 pick. . And Carlton receive our second which ended up pick 33.

 

[kulak]

Wasn't it pick 24. 19 was Melbourne's part trade for Lever which we part traded to Carlton for their 2019 pick. . And Carlton receive our second which ended up pick 33.

Correct

There were three academy picks though, so it’s more like 16 down to 21