Analysis 2019 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

[Kirkswan]

Its tricky right?!?!? Apparently the number of players I think of as being "best 22" is more than 22. As far as who's missing / depth the players who have played seniors who I can't fit in are:
Callum Sinclair
Dan Robinson
Dean Towers
Nick Newman
Ryley Stoddart
Jordan Dawson
Jordan Foote
Darcy Cameron
James Rose
Kieran Jack
Robbie Fox
Tom McCartin
Harry Marsh
Gary Rohan
Dan Hanneberry

That's obviously before delistings / trades, but also before we bring anybody in who takes a place in the starting 22. If we bring in Moore or Gaff or May, etc I'm now struggling to think who I would drop for them.

Yes, it is tricky... but a bit of fun on a boring Tuesday night.

Of your list, I think:

Callum Sinclair - Best 22
Dan Robinson - Excellent Depth
Dean Towers - Delist
Nick Newman - Depth
Ryley Stoddart - Developing - may be much better for another preseason but not enough for me to determine yet
Jordan Dawson - Best 22/Excellent Depth
Jordan Foote - Delist
Darcy Cameron - Developing
James Rose - Delist
Kieran Jack - Best 22/Excellent Depth
Robbie Fox- Depth
Tom McCartin - Best 22/Excellent Depth
Harry Marsh- Excellent Depth
Gary Rohan- Best 22/Excellent Depth
Dan Hanneberry - Traded/Best 22

 

[Kirkswan]

Hewett...only place to fit him.

Lloyd...Cunningham to take over Lloyd's role with free reign to use his kicking skills to our advantage. Lloyd on the wing in a pseudo Hanners type role. He's gotta earn them big bucks now.

Hmmm... I had Cunningham have a go at the tagging role and freeing up Hewett to be the other inside mid in place of Titch. But I think using him in Lloyd's current role and moving Lloyd back to the wing would work really well. Then, as we have Naismith rucking, we can maybe have Jones tagging... he would definitely learn a lot tagging the greats.

What do you think?

 

[The King!]

B Laird, Hurley , Rampe
Hb Jones, Rance, Whitfield
C Shiel, Martin, Gaff
Hf Heeney, Mcgovern, Wingard
F Ronke, Franklin, Gunston
Foll Grundy, Kennedy , Dangerfield
Int Naismith, Oliver, Mills, Parker

 

[Kirkswan]

Lloyd Reg Allir
Mills Melican Rampe
Heeney JPK Florent
Ronke Bud McCartin
Papley Reid Haywood
Naismith Hewett Parker

I/C McVeigh Dawson Cunningham Jones

Emergencies Smith, COR, Sinkers

Okay, you've fit both Dawson and McCartin into your best 22, replacing Smith and Sinkers. I really like that you haven't started Hewett on the bench, I reckon he is going to be big for us next year. It's a pretty good team on paper, eh?

 

[Kirkswan]

B Laird, Hurley , Rampe
Hb Jones, Rance, Whitfield
C Shiel, Martin, Gaff
Hf Heeney, Mcgovern, Wingard
F Ronke, Franklin, Gunston
Foll Grundy, Kennedy , Dangerfield
Int Naismith, Oliver, Mills, Parker

There's always at least one bloody joker in the pack!

Put up your best 22 based on current known Swans...

 

[Number37]

Hmmm... I had Cunningham have a go at the tagging role and freeing up Hewett to be the other inside mid in place of Titch. But I think using him in Lloyd's current role and moving Lloyd back to the wing would work really well. Then, as we have Naismith rucking, we can maybe have Jones tagging... he would definitely learn a lot tagging the greats.

What do you think?

I like Jones as a tagger but I am not convinced that he is a midfielder. IMO back 6 is where he will play his best footy.
We desperately need someone to run hard both ways to give us that outlet kick, at his best Hanners was the man that got us out of a spot of bother by running hard giving us that outlet kick. Lloyd is capable of running hard, will need to improve his hand-balling but as long as he can use that dinky 30m pass of his into F50 it could work.

 

[The King!]

There's always at least one bloody joker in the pack!

Put up your best 22 based on current known Swans...

Well haven’t seen form or who’s on the list, but guess it’s a boring tuesday so I’ll presume Hanners Newman Rohan left

B Smith Grundy Rampe
Hb Aliir Mellican Lloyd
C Jones. Heeney Florent
Hf Papley Franklin Mccartin
F Ronke Reid Kennedy
Foll Sinclair Hewett Parker

Int Cunningham Dawson Hayward Mills


Need some midfielders and worried my defence is old

 

[Kirkswan]

I like Jones as a tagger but I am not convinced that he is a midfielder. IMO back 6 is where he will play his best footy.
We desperately need someone to run hard both ways to give us that outlet kick, at his best Hanners was the man that got us out of a spot of bother by running hard giving us that outlet kick. Lloyd is capable of running hard, will need to improve his hand-balling but as long as he can use that dinky 30m pass of his into F50 it could work.

Jones will be 24 in March next year, and I think that his explosiveness out the back is an asset. But I still think he needs to be able to run through the middle. I would be think this would be the final year of his development and he will be hitting his peak in 2020. I think Dawson will play forward/mid for at least the next year and then he will be given the tagging role, as it is the quickest and best way to learn from the best, I think.

Of course, they may well bring in a few new blokes, trade out some of best 22, and promote my delist list, just to completely debunk my theories and assist me in looking like an idiot!

 

[Kirkswan]

Well haven’t seen form or who’s on the list, but guess it’s a boring tuesday so I’ll presume Hanners Newman Rohan left

B Smith Grundy Rampe
Hb Aliir Mellican Lloyd
C Jones. Heeney Florent
Hf Papley Franklin Mccartin
F Ronke Reid Kennedy
Foll Sinclair Hewett Parker

Int Cunningham Dawson Hayward Mills


Need some midfielders and worried my defence is old

I promise, No-one is going to make the team you've selected play... and boring Tuesday it is!

Not a bad team... only Reg and Smith are old, who would you have on emergency? Are you throwing Dawson to the wolves, or running him through mids/fwds? And yep, without Naismith, I definitely think the you need another really, really good mid...

 

[BloodySwan]

Selecting a best 22 in the traditional format no longer reflects modern day football. You very rarely see 6:6:6 out on the field but more often than not see 7:7:4 or 8:8:2 depending on who you're playing against. Personally I think we play best when we have 7:8:3 with our forwards pushing into the midfield and an extra wing swinging into defence. This would make me team closer too

B: Smith, Grundy, Lloyd
HB: Aliir, Melican, McVeigh, Rampe
C: Florent, Mills, Heeney, Jones, Hewett
HF: Papley, Buddy
FF: Reid
R: Naismith, Parker, Kennedy
Int: Cunningham, Sinclair, Ronke, Hayward

But even that's not what I want. I don't want Reid, Buddy & Sinclair in the same forward 50. I want them playing in these roles at a given time but not the entire game. Also in matches like against Collingwood I would want both Sinclair & Naismith out there for 80% of the time at the same but against Hawthorn that's not necessary.

Either way, when fit that's my 22

 

[The King!]

I promise, No-one is going to make the team you've selected play... and boring Tuesday it is!

Not a bad team... only Reg and Smith are old, who would you have on emergency? Are you throwing Dawson to the wolves, or running him through mids/fwds? And yep, without Naismith, I definitely think the you need another really, really good mid...

Like bloody swan says there no 6 6 6 anymore really, but I put them roughly where they’d start

Reducing Kennedy’s time in the middle

Dropped McVeigh maybe wouldn’t do that but for now I will. Jack is depth]

Jones to mid, Parker and Heeney to lead, Dawson would switch with Kennedy in terms of responsibility, free up hewett a bit more

Sticking to pinch hit second ruck until naismith plays neafl.

But pre season games would be important, maybe someone like Ling emerges

And whoever we bring in, eg blakey , experienced player

 

[zyzzbruh]

It’s hard to guess a best 22 until we know what happens over the trade period.

Kennedy playing less in the middle sounds ok but I doubt horse will make that happen, plus I think regardless how old he gets it’s his best position. I can’t see him being anything amazing playing forward.

Naismith won’t be a walk up start, not only does he have to improve his game, but he also needs to get back to actually playing which ain’t easy to do after a reco especially for a big bloke. Sinkers will start as sole ruck round 1.

We really need to improve our rebound off half back and get run going through the middle, and I think Lloyd playing up higher would help.

Stoddart I’m hoping conditions his body over the summer and starts round 1 along with pelican.

Heeney will further improve, mills will pinch hit in the middle but will still play predominately half back, he’s too useful there.

I think the main lads to be excited about are stoddart, maibaum, Dawson and ling. Really hoping they come through.

Can anyone give an update on Ling and how his season went? Or for the games he did play cause I heard he was injured.

 

[Kirkswan]

It’s hard to guess a best 22 until we know what happens over the trade period.

No offence, but deerrr! This was just a bit of fun on a boring Tuesday night with current knowns...

EDIT: And put up your current best 22... don't critique us with out laying it out there...

 

[The King!]

B Kirkswan, Bedford, Rw

 

[Kirkswan]

Selecting a best 22 in the traditional format no longer reflects modern day football. You very rarely see 6:6:6 out on the field but more often than not see 7:7:4 or 8:8:2 depending on who you're playing against. Personally I think we play best when we have 7:8:3 with our forwards pushing into the midfield and an extra wing swinging into defence. This would make me team closer too

B: Smith, Grundy, Lloyd
HB: Aliir, Melican, McVeigh, Rampe
C: Florent, Mills, Heeney, Jones, Hewett
HF: Papley, Buddy
FF: Reid
R: Naismith, Parker, Kennedy
Int: Cunningham, Sinclair, Ronke, Hayward

But even that's not what I want. I don't want Reid, Buddy & Sinclair in the same forward 50I want them playing in these roles at a given time but not the entire game. Also in matches like against Collingwood I would want both Sinclair & Naismith out there for 80% of the time at the same but against Hawthorn that's not necessary.

Either way, when fit that's my 22

Jeez! Technical much??? It seems to me that you could have brought this team format out much earlier this year and saved me from hearing about our lack of forward structure after every single bloody game! I'm sure people would have been less worried if they new we were only missing two or three and not six! Lol!

Reid, Buddy & Sinclair wouldn't be in the same forward line... if Sinkers was coming of the bench, he be giving Reid or Buddy bench time (so that one of them was always out there, or rucking while Naismith was having bench time.

Agreed that structurally we change from opponent to opponent.

I like your team! Can I have it?

 

[Kirkswan]

B Kirkswan, Bedford, Rw

Ah ha, where are you in that line up?

 

[BloodySwan]

Jeez! Technical much??? It seems to me that you could have brought this team format out much earlier this year and saved me from hearing about our lack of forward structure after every single bloody game! I'm sure people would have been less worried if they new we were only missing two or three and not six! Lol!

Reid, Buddy & Sinclair wouldn't be in the same forward line... if Sinkers was coming of the bench, he be giving Reid or Buddy bench time (so that one of them was always out there, or rucking while Naismith was having bench time.

Agreed that structurally we change from opponent to opponent.

I like your team! Can I have it?

If you could share it with Horse that'd be great!

 

[Kirkswan]

If you could share it with Horse that'd be great!

No worries, I'll put that on my to-do list...

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Okay, you've fit both Dawson and McCartin into your best 22, replacing Smith and Sinkers. I really like that you haven't started Hewett on the bench, I reckon he is going to be big for us next year. It's a pretty good team on paper, eh?

My rationale was marking, speed, disposal skills and contestability. Don't think Sinkers works well enough up forward and defenders will run off him. Tommy has a tank and greater mobility. Smith is great but we can't afford poor kicks from defence.

 

[The King!]

Ah ha, where are you in that line up?

I typed that and then fell asleep the thought ahh **** it it’s the off season I’ll post it anyone

Lazy effort

Nick Davis Nic Newman like

 

[zyzzbruh]

No offence, but deerrr! This was just a bit of fun on a boring Tuesday night with current knowns...

EDIT: And put up your current best 22... don't critique us with out laying it out there...

Barely a critique, kennedy going forward is the only thing i don't see happening.

B- Maibaum - Aliir - Rampe
HB- Mills - Jones - Lloyd - Melican
C- Papley - Dawson - Florent
HF- Ronke - Franklin - Hayward
F- Jack - Reid

R- Sinclair, Parker, Heeney

I- Hewett, Kennedy, Mcveigh, Smith

E (in order): Mccartin, Cunningham, Stoddart, Fox, Grundy, O'riordan, robbo, Ling
(p.s where tf did this depth come from, even without hanners, newman, rohan)

Time for reg to make way, my hopes are based on the optimism i have for maibaum. Want jones and Lloyd higher up setting up play and taking that role off mcveigh. No more kick ins for Lloyd. I still beleive jack has more in him and can be dangerous at reids feet.

Our problem in the midfield is our lack of speed, we're too 1-dimensionsal with parker- kennedy-hewett-hanners-heeney. That's why i want dawson in the middle, that way you get the contest from parker/kennedy, class from heeney, and speed in dawson. Might give us a chance to break away from a centre bounce, or atleast defend the outside of the contest if we lose it. The better teams have had a more dynamic midfield set up. Hewett and kennedy will be in that rotation, but i'd rather not see them both together with parker.

 

[Olian]

B Smith Grundy Aliir
HB Jones Melican Rampe
C Lloyd Kennedy Florent
HF Ronke Franklin Papley
F McCartin Reid Hayward

R Sinclair Hewett Heeney

I Mills McVeigh Cunningham Dawson

 

[Redfern]

Hi all,

I've already posted in the introduction thread but just wanted to say that I'm a leaguie looking to get into some aussie rules.

I'm obviously a rookie and know next to nothing, but how is our list looking for next season? From what I can tell there's a good mixture of young up and coming talent as well as seasoned pros with a bunch of guys looking to transition from the former to the latter.

I'm looking forward to get familiar with the side, know the ins and outs and see how the bloods can improve from their results this year.

 

[Kirkswan]

Barely a critique, kennedy going forward is the only thing i don't see happening.

B- Maibaum - Aliir - Rampe
HB- Mills - Jones - Lloyd - Melican
C- Papley - Dawson - Florent
HF- Ronke - Franklin - Hayward
F- Jack - Reid

R- Sinclair, Parker, Heeney

I- Hewett, Kennedy, Mcveigh, Smith

E (in order): Mccartin, Cunningham, Stoddart, Fox, Grundy, O'riordan, robbo, Ling
(p.s where tf did this depth come from, even without hanners, newman, rohan)

Time for reg to make way, my hopes are based on the optimism i have for maibaum. Want jones and Lloyd higher up setting up play and taking that role off mcveigh. No more kick ins for Lloyd. I still beleive jack has more in him and can be dangerous at reids feet.

Our problem in the midfield is our lack of speed, we're too 1-dimensionsal with parker- kennedy-hewett-hanners-heeney. That's why i want dawson in the middle, that way you get the contest from parker/kennedy, class from heeney, and speed in dawson. Might give us a chance to break away from a centre bounce, or atleast defend the outside of the contest if we lose it. The better teams have had a more dynamic midfield set up. Hewett and kennedy will be in that rotation, but i'd rather not see them both together with parker.

Cool! Thanks for playing...

I haven't see Maibaum play, and tend to wonder why he wasn't given a go late this year? But I do agree that it's likely that Reg will make way, just not first round. Who's taking your kick ins? You've gone with no Naismith, which worries me, but most seem cool with...

It's the middle I have issues with... there is no way I limit Hewett's game time to when Kennedy isn't there. Hewett will be huge for us next year I reckon, will have a break out year! I like Parker, Heeney and Dawson on rotation through the forward line. All three are good marks and good kicks.

EDIT: Re the depth, yeah I know right! They've been building a really good team right before our eyes and we've been too busy whinging to notice. I reckon they're looking to put the final touches on this trade/draft period, and we're ready to have another go!!! Gotta love this club!

 

[Kirkswan]

B Smith Grundy Aliir
HB Jones Melican Rampe
C Lloyd Kennedy Florent
HF Ronke Franklin Papley
F McCartin Reid Hayward

R Sinclair Hewett Heeney

I Mills McVeigh Cunningham Dawson

Wow, you've surprised me...

* Any reason you don't want to give McCartin at least 6-12 weeks in the reserves to continue to grow and dominate?

* Mills off the bench - any particular reason?

* No Naismith - thinking he needs more time or that he is now depth only?